Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 303.

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Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 24, 2016, 02:52:34 PM

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I am thinking about trying mineral oil with a s7. Using a radiator for cooling and a high flow pump.

Don't pump mineral oil, mineral oil doesn't likes being pumped. Instead, use 2 phase cooling, with a cool radiator inmersed in oil with the cards.

The results are so-so, and resaleability of the cards goes down dramatically, although YMMV.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 24, 2016, 02:37:59 PM

Mineral oil and 3M's Novac fluids are totally different things. The higher viscosity and much poorer thermal transfer properties of mineral oils means that great care has to be taken to ensure enough heat is pulled fast enough from the chips. With 3M's thermal xfr fluids, they are thinner than water so flow very well (rather like butane in a lighter) and more to the point, when in the phase-change range (boiling) heat xfr ability goes through the roof because the fluid in contact with the heat source wants very much to stay at the phase-change temp.

That said, oil is still a tempting idea.

I am thinking about trying mineral oil with a s7. Using a radiator for cooling and a high flow pump.

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Mineral oil and 3M's Novec fluids are totally different things. The higher viscosity and much poorer thermal transfer properties of mineral oils means that great care has to be taken to ensure enough heat is pulled fast enough from the chips. With 3M's thermal xfr fluids, they are thinner than water so flow very well (rather like butane in a lighter) and more to the point, when in the phase-change range (boiling) heat xfr ability goes through the roof because the fluid in contact with the heat source wants very much to stay at the phase-change temp.

That said, oil is still a tempting idea.

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While we are on the subject of cooling. Anyone tried immersion cooling? Bitfury is getting phenomenal increases. Mineral oil seems inexpensive. 3M make some great but expensive products. IBM even does it now. Has anyone tried it?

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Damnnit... I paid UPS yesterday for fees owed, truck came today with the miner on it and -- driver said it was COD. Showed him the receipt and UPS conf# and doesn't matter 'cause the system still has not been updated for it...

Hopefully by time of the days-end pickup it will have cleared so I can get it today vs Monday. Grrrrr..........

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Quote from: eretron on June 24, 2016, 09:31:27 AM

My S9 Batch 2 has arrived...

So far so good... It's quite warm here atm.

(pic above)

In the Midwest here so we get a lot of different temperatures. So far I have had good luck to seems to be able to handle the summer heat which is good. In my mining area I use air from outside push it through miners with big CFM fan's and exhaust the hot air.

The S9 has done very good with the varying weather. This week I could have high of low 90's F which is hotter then I like to the lows in the 60's F. So it is handling a variety of weather good.

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Quote from: grn on June 24, 2016, 09:46:18 AM

Seems DHL wants to keep my B2

Friday, June 24, 2016[/b] Location Time Piece
28 Clearance event BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA 05:40
1 Piece

I bet they're waiting for you to pay up - call them

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Seems DHL wants to keep my B2

Friday, June 24, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
28   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:40
1 Piece
Thursday, June 23, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
27   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:34
1 Piece
Wednesday, June 22, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
26   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:22
1 Piece
Tuesday, June 21, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
25   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   17:53
1 Piece
24   Processed for clearance at BRITISH COLUMBIA - CANADA   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   10:36
1 Piece
23   Arrived at Sort Facility BRITISH COLUMBIA - CANADA   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   10:22
1 Piece
22   Customs status updated   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   06:36
21   Transferred through SEATTLE - USA   SEATTLE, WA - USA   06:32
1 Piece
20   Departed Facility in CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   05:29
1 Piece
19   Processed at CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   02:09
1 Piece
18   Clearance processing complete at CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   00:19
1 Piece
Monday, June 20, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
17   Shipment on hold   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   10:46
1 Piece
16   Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   10:39
1 Piece
Sunday, June 19, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
15   Customs status updated   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   09:50
14   Customs status updated   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   04:01
13   Departed Facility in HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   06:31
1 Piece
12   Processed at HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   06:17
1 Piece
Saturday, June 18, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
11   Clearance processing complete at HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   23:55
1 Piece
10   Arrived at Sort Facility HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   23:41
1 Piece
9   Customs status updated   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   22:09
8   Departed Facility in SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   21:06
1 Piece
7   Processed at SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   20:51
1 Piece
6   Clearance processing complete at SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   18:55
5   Clearance event   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   06:16
4   Arrived at Sort Facility SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   06:14
3   Departed Facility in SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   01:13
1 Piece
2   Processed at SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   00:39
1 Piece
Friday, June 17, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
1   Shipment picked up   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   17:11
1 Piece

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My S9 Batch 2 has arrived...

So far so good... It's quite warm here atm.

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I see the firmware for the S9 is now available for download - has anyone taken it apart & inspected the miner spoftware yet?

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Quote from: wobbzz on June 23, 2016, 08:53:12 PM

Has anyone else seen UPS wackiness such as this? My package was originally planning to be here (the U.S.) today, but delayed a day due to customs stuff... now it seems like it's taking a boat trip around asia.... WTH Huh

And UPS is still projecting a delivery of tomorrow on the east coast. LOL

Incheon, Korea, Republic of   06/24/2016   8:13 A.M.   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/24/2016   3:35 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/23/2016   10:45 A.M.   The package is awaiting clearing agency review. / Your package was released by the clearing agency.
Osaka, Japan   06/23/2016   10:33 A.M.   Arrival Scan
Narita, Japan   06/23/2016   9:12 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/23/2016   8:25 A.M.   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/23/2016   3:07 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/23/2016   1:01 A.M.   Export Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/22/2016   9:29 P.M.   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery. / The package will be forwarded to a UPS facility in the destination city.
06/22/2016   5:36 P.M.   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery.
06/22/2016   1:00 A.M.   Arrival Scan
06/22/2016   12:53 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/21/2016   12:48 P.M.   The package is awaiting clearing agency review. / The package is at the clearing agency awaiting final release.
Shenzhen, China   06/21/2016   11:37 P.M.   Origin Scan
06/21/2016   5:06 P.M.   Pickup Scan
China   06/21/2016   11:06 P.M.   Order Processed: Ready for UPS

I must have bought the same package deal as you wobbzz

here is my itinerary

Incheon, Korea, Republic of   24/06/2016   8:13   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   24/06/2016   3:35   Departure Scan
Osaka, Japan   23/06/2016   10:33   Arrival Scan
Narita, Japan   23/06/2016   9:12   Departure Scan
23/06/2016   8:25   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   23/06/2016   3:07   Departure Scan
23/06/2016   0:56   Export Scan
22/06/2016   21:27   We updated the delivery information for your package. / Your package was released by the clearing agency.
Shenzhen, China   22/06/2016   21:27   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery. / The package will be forwarded to a UPS facility in the destination city.
22/06/2016   17:33   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery.
22/06/2016   14:08   We updated the delivery information for your package.
22/06/2016   1:00   Arrival Scan
22/06/2016   0:53   Departure Scan
Shenzhen, China   21/06/2016   23:29   Origin Scan
China   21/06/2016   0:09   Order Processed: Ready for UPS

seems the weather is nice in Japan this time of year so we will make two port visits there
then we will go back to Shenzen, because we forgot some of the other passengers, then off
we go to Korea and a quick visit to the DMZ and wave to some guards, lets take a guess at
what our next stop on the magical mystery tour will be.

All i wanted was a trip on the Rocky Mountaineer and a nice holiday in some cold location
in Newfoundland or similar, to be hosted by a caring and diligent host for a good 12 month
sabbatical

I must contact my travel agent and see what kind of trip this is.

All jokes aside, I have never had any of these issues getting miners sent to Australia,
with both UPS and DHL in the past, but this is really turning me off UPS

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Quote from: scyth33 on June 24, 2016, 12:15:48 AM

Quote from: citronick on June 23, 2016, 11:36:31 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 23, 2016, 11:27:50 PM

Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 23, 2016, 11:01:32 PM

Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

All my shipments from BMT and AliExpress to SG are with DHL - very fast, minimal paperwork and all web & SMS automated.

I just pay the Goods & Services Tax (GST) upon arrival to my doorsteps - about 7% of declared value.

From Amazon, I used Fedex and UPS before but too many paperwork and delays. Some UPS packages did not arrive!

Changed to DHL and no more issues.

how long does it take for you to ROI?

ROI for S9?

with BTC expected over 1k by year end... hopefully in no time!

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Quote from: citronick on June 23, 2016, 11:36:31 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 23, 2016, 11:27:50 PM

Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 23, 2016, 11:01:32 PM

Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

All my shipments from BMT and AliExpress to SG are with DHL - very fast, minimal paperwork and all web & SMS automated.

I just pay the Goods & Services Tax (GST) upon arrival to my doorsteps - about 7% of declared value.

From Amazon, I used Fedex and UPS before but too many paperwork and delays. Some UPS packages did not arrive!

Changed to DHL and no more issues.

how long does it take for you to ROI?

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Quote from: citronick on June 23, 2016, 11:36:31 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 23, 2016, 11:27:50 PM

Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 23, 2016, 11:01:32 PM

Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

All my shipments from BMT and AliExpress to SG are with DHL - very fast, minimal paperwork and all web & SMS automated.

I just pay the Goods & Services Tax (GST) upon arrival to my doorsteps - about 7% of declared value.

From Amazon, I used Fedex and UPS before but too many paperwork and delays. Some UPS packages did not arrive!

Changed to DHL and no more issues.

DHL is very much based on location. Some people will love them others will run into issues. I am on the very edge of my DHL driver's route so not so great for me. Any shipment that goes DHL I can count on him calling me end of day and asking if I can meet at X location or I won't get it that day. Worst one was around a hour and half away.... I did not have time to meet him so went next day.

I can't find it the name of it on their site but if you don't have gurenteed delivery by them, they reserve the option to send last leg through usps vs driving it to those on edge of route like me. So again some will work great, but if on edge of delivery they are a pain.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on June 23, 2016, 11:27:50 PM

Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 23, 2016, 11:01:32 PM

Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

All my shipments from BMT and AliExpress to SG are with DHL - very fast, minimal paperwork and all web & SMS automated.

I just pay the Goods & Services Tax (GST) upon arrival to my doorsteps - about 7% of declared value.

From Amazon, I used Fedex and UPS before but too many paperwork and delays. Some UPS packages did not arrive!

Changed to DHL and no more issues.

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Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 23, 2016, 11:01:32 PM

Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

dhl 1 s7ln = 67.56
ups 1 s7ln = 82.08
fedex 1 s7ln = 54.51

well based on s7ln fees maybe I will give dhal a shot next time.

but I really think I will just let it drop to under 1800 before I buy again

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Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

NotFuzzyWarm

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Quote from: PassThePopcorn on June 23, 2016, 10:39:09 PM

As a person who has received invoices for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of miners Customs Duties have always been $0, unless the tariff code was entered wrong, however there have always been Customs Fee's and Brokerage fees, either with private brokers or UPS/Shipping company brokerages.

Ok call it Customs fees and brokerage fees, either way it's has been very rare I've had to pay them and since I've gotten at least 1 or 2 of pretty much all of Bitmains generations of batch-1 miners - they've been pricey.

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@ Philipma, Ditto. Since April 2014 think this is only the 3-4th time I've had to pay duty. I could look back and see what time frames/orders I did when I got chargde but too lazy.. Wink

But kinda seems right.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on June 23, 2016, 10:31:53 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 10:29:04 PM

Quote from: edonkey on June 23, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 23, 2016, 04:54:12 PM

Quote from: judypug1956 on June 23, 2016, 02:48:21 PM

my secondary account. I am philipma1957

gear came . fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse. I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86 mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Could well be that US Customs is looking at it more as well. I got my both my b1 and 1st b3 without duty being charged and they both were more than this 3rd one. Getting 3 over that in ~1 month might raise a flag in tracking systems.

yeah could be I did 2 batch 1's then 2 batch 2's grand total of 8300(estimated) with the shipping.

I can not complain with my orders since dec 2013 I have not paid much.

I will do a waiting game and mine for now.

As a person who has received invoices for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of miners Customs Duties have always been $0, unless the tariff code was entered wrong, however there have always been Customs Fee's and Brokerage fees, either with private brokers or UPS/Shipping company brokerages.

Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 303. (Read 531168 times)