Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 306.

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I've taken some calibrated DC draw and other power measurements on my one S9. I've taken some care with these and everything should be accurate to at least the precision I give.

Short version of results:

S9 DC Draw at 12.1V == 1.89W/MHz + 57W

The 1.89W/MHz holds across at least 450 to 668.75 on this unit; the 57W is the controller and fans at 100%.

At 650 w/ 100% fan I see 106.67A @ 12.051V for 1285.5W.
50% fan reduces this to 1275W, hitting the S9 specification.

MHz \|	DC W \|	AC W \|	PSU Eff. \|	W @ Wall w/ Fan \|	J/GH @ Wall
450	855	968	88.3	1033	0.107
550	1040	1175	88.5	1240	0.105
600	1133	1281	88.4	1346	0.104
625	1179	1333	88.4	1398	0.104
650	1229	1391	88.4	1456	0.104
668.75	1265	1433	88.3	1498	0.104

PSU is a DPS-2000BB being fed 208V; voltage at PSU ranged from 206.8 to 208.7 during these tests.
All measurements taken simultaneously - Dedicated sampling for I & V on both AC & DC
+12V measured at the S9 board inputs ranged from 12.051 to 12.146, depending on load.
These DC Power draw measurements below _do not_ include loses in the 12V cables - these are dependent on your setup but may be around 10W; actual PSU efficiency is accordingly around 1% higher.

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kind of obvious... do they want to pay $46 in fees themselves OR do they want to lose, say, 20-30% in shipment volume due to irritated buyers.
I rather buy 0.1 BTC more and NOT order. I assume that many will do the same, but who knows.
Also, why shipment cost is always more or less the same in btc, no matter what the price of btc is?

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I bought one B3 unit and noticed an exception from UPS. Apparently I owe $46.53 in duties. I'm in California.

I told UPS that I've bought similarly priced units from Bitmain before and never had to pay duties. The UPS service person told me that Bitmain must have paid the duties previously, but did not this time.

I know that Phil got hit up for duties too, but the thinking was that he had two units shipped at the same time (even if they were different orders). Maybe Bitmain is pushing the duty cost onto us now and didn't before?

Seems inconsistent to me. And very irritating...

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Quote from: HagssFIN on June 22, 2016, 03:04:42 PM

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Quote from: patrike on June 22, 2016, 10:24:17 AM

The latest version of Awesome Miner adds support for Antminer S9.

Awesome Miner can monitor multiple miners and provide notifications, fault recovery, custom triggers and actions, SSH and scripting.

.....

with which card you are mining litecoin?

He seems to be mining litecoin with KnCMiner Titan.

Hi,
Yes, the screenshot illustrates mining with Antminer S9 and KnC Titan. Everything that is compatible with cgminer and bfgminer works great.

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Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 22, 2016, 01:43:26 PM

@philipma1957 did you get your S9's yet?

batch 2 has a 1 day delay

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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.

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Quote from: patrike on June 22, 2016, 10:24:17 AM

The latest version of Awesome Miner adds support for Antminer S9.

Awesome Miner can monitor multiple miners and provide notifications, fault recovery, custom triggers and actions, SSH and scripting.

.....

with which card you are mining litecoin?

He seems to be mining litecoin with KnCMiner Titan.

-----
About Antminer S9, batch 2:
Whoah, I just paid ~440 EUR for the tax (VAT 24% in Finland). Shocked

Now I'm eagerly waiting to start mining with it as soon as it arrives.

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@philipma1957 did you get your S9's yet?

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Quote from: notlist3d on June 22, 2016, 11:51:31 AM

Quote from: johnnyc on June 22, 2016, 11:43:48 AM

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Quote from: notlist3d on June 21, 2016, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: ulatec on June 21, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

Just ordered one. Wondering what power supplies people are using in the states?

Thanks guys!

I suspect that the bitmaintech psu is just a tiny bit short to run an s-9

it does need 210 or more volts so if in USA you need correct voltage wires.

now if you are looking for an ATX 120 volt option EVGA has them but they are costly

titanium 1600 watt cost - 386 usd

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-TITANIUM-Crossfire-220-T2-1600-X1/dp/B00R33ZBQU/ref=sr_1_1?

platinum 342
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1600-X1/dp/B00NJG61JQ/ref=sr_1_3?

gold 302
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Crossfire-Warranty-120-G2-1600-X1/dp/B00MMLUIE8/ref=sr_1_2?

How many of the Bitmain APW3's have you tried out? Through my testing I have 1 remote connected to a APW3 and one now at my place connected to an APW3 and not having issues with them.

What way are you testing the APW3 to determine they are coming up short? I have been testing by running the units with them so wanted to what tests you were using to get this. Just trying to compare as we seem to be getting different results.

I have personally purchased and have been using 30 of the Bitmain PSUs with no issues so far. The rest of my miners have been on rental PSUs. I would say that over the time of 9 months is a very good track record.

I too have had good luck with the APW3 PSUs. I've had 20 of them over the past. I currently have 10 of them connected to a relay/raspi setup to remotely power cycle the miners. I'm using a combo of wiringpi and webiopi. Working very well.

And re-reading through it I want to make sure it is known I am not meaning to come across rude with questions, I hate that email/posts don't show emotion like talking.

I just have had a good experience with APW3's in past with S7's and now with two S9's. So I would hate for people to start thinking APW3's are coming up short when in fact many of us are having good luck with them. And considering the S9 was designed to run off of them and is recommended PSU I think it should not come up short.

Again my testing is done by running 2 S9's off APW3's. If someone has done a test with them showing and ran into problems specifically with APW3 please share it, I just have not seen real test's showing it. I am just one person so I realize small scale test, but I have not had any issues with them.

to further clarify it may be the 3 people that I based this on are using

hp dps1200 psu's not bitmaintech 1600 watt psu's

as one of the three people have received info from their it/data center that the psu is a dps1200 not a 1600 watt bitmaintech as they first told me.

the dps1200 is specced at 1200 watts using 240 volts and would certainly be more likely to be short then the bitmaintech 1600watts psu. specced at 1600watts.

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Quote from: johnnyc on June 22, 2016, 11:43:48 AM

Quote from: AriesIV10 on June 22, 2016, 09:56:27 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on June 21, 2016, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: ulatec on June 21, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

Just ordered one. Wondering what power supplies people are using in the states?

Thanks guys!

I suspect that the bitmaintech psu is just a tiny bit short to run an s-9

it does need 210 or more volts so if in USA you need correct voltage wires.

now if you are looking for an ATX 120 volt option EVGA has them but they are costly

titanium 1600 watt cost - 386 usd

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-TITANIUM-Crossfire-220-T2-1600-X1/dp/B00R33ZBQU/ref=sr_1_1?

platinum 342
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1600-X1/dp/B00NJG61JQ/ref=sr_1_3?

gold 302
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Crossfire-Warranty-120-G2-1600-X1/dp/B00MMLUIE8/ref=sr_1_2?

How many of the Bitmain APW3's have you tried out? Through my testing I have 1 remote connected to a APW3 and one now at my place connected to an APW3 and not having issues with them.

What way are you testing the APW3 to determine they are coming up short? I have been testing by running the units with them so wanted to what tests you were using to get this. Just trying to compare as we seem to be getting different results.

I have personally purchased and have been using 30 of the Bitmain PSUs with no issues so far. The rest of my miners have been on rental PSUs. I would say that over the time of 9 months is a very good track record.

I too have had good luck with the APW3 PSUs. I've had 20 of them over the past. I currently have 10 of them connected to a relay/raspi setup to remotely power cycle the miners. I'm using a combo of wiringpi and webiopi. Working very well.

And re-reading through it I want to make sure it is known I am not meaning to come across rude with questions, I hate that email/posts don't show emotion like talking.

I just have had a good experience with APW3's in past with S7's and now with two S9's. So I would hate for people to start thinking APW3's are coming up short when in fact many of us are having good luck with them. And considering the S9 was designed to run off of them and is recommended PSU I think it should not come up short.

Again my testing is done by running 2 S9's off APW3's. If someone has done a test with them showing and ran into problems specifically with APW3 please share it, I just have not seen real test's showing it. I am just one person so I realize small scale test, but I have not had any issues with them.

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Quote from: AriesIV10 on June 22, 2016, 09:56:27 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on June 21, 2016, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: ulatec on June 21, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

Just ordered one. Wondering what power supplies people are using in the states?

Thanks guys!

I suspect that the bitmaintech psu is just a tiny bit short to run an s-9

it does need 210 or more volts so if in USA you need correct voltage wires.

now if you are looking for an ATX 120 volt option EVGA has them but they are costly

titanium 1600 watt cost - 386 usd

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-TITANIUM-Crossfire-220-T2-1600-X1/dp/B00R33ZBQU/ref=sr_1_1?

platinum 342
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1600-X1/dp/B00NJG61JQ/ref=sr_1_3?

gold 302
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Crossfire-Warranty-120-G2-1600-X1/dp/B00MMLUIE8/ref=sr_1_2?

How many of the Bitmain APW3's have you tried out? Through my testing I have 1 remote connected to a APW3 and one now at my place connected to an APW3 and not having issues with them.

What way are you testing the APW3 to determine they are coming up short? I have been testing by running the units with them so wanted to what tests you were using to get this. Just trying to compare as we seem to be getting different results.

I have personally purchased and have been using 30 of the Bitmain PSUs with no issues so far. The rest of my miners have been on rental PSUs. I would say that over the time of 9 months is a very good track record.

I too have had good luck with the APW3 PSUs. I've had 20 of them over the past. I currently have 10 of them connected to a relay/raspi setup to remotely power cycle the miners. I'm using a combo of wiringpi and webiopi. Working very well.

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Also anecdotal, but in the last month I've shipped out 20 custom PSU setups intended to replace failed Bitmain PSUs in S4+ units, which draw about the same power as the S7 and S9.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on June 22, 2016, 10:37:03 AM

Quote from: AriesIV10 on June 22, 2016, 09:56:27 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on June 21, 2016, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: ulatec on June 21, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

Just ordered one. Wondering what power supplies people are using in the states?

Thanks guys!

I suspect that the bitmaintech psu is just a tiny bit short to run an s-9

it does need 210 or more volts so if in USA you need correct voltage wires.

now if you are looking for an ATX 120 volt option EVGA has them but they are costly

titanium 1600 watt cost - 386 usd

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-TITANIUM-Crossfire-220-T2-1600-X1/dp/B00R33ZBQU/ref=sr_1_1?

platinum 342
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1600-X1/dp/B00NJG61JQ/ref=sr_1_3?

gold 302
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Crossfire-Warranty-120-G2-1600-X1/dp/B00MMLUIE8/ref=sr_1_2?

How many of the Bitmain APW3's have you tried out? Through my testing I have 1 remote connected to a APW3 and one now at my place connected to an APW3 and not having issues with them.

What way are you testing the APW3 to determine they are coming up short? I have been testing by running the units with them so wanted to what tests you were using to get this. Just trying to compare as we seem to be getting different results.

I have personally purchased and have been using 30 of the Bitmain PSUs with no issues so far. The rest of my miners have been on rental PSUs. I would say that over the time of 9 months is a very good track record.

the s-7 uses 50 to 80 watts less then the s-9.

many symptoms described on the s-9 were lessened by down clocking freq just a bit. all anecdotal info.

all your 30 plus are on s-7 correct? how many are on the s-9.

mind you if you have climate control for you psu's (i.e. ambient under 80f) you will get better results.

a psu right at its real world limit will be aid by a cooler temp.

And as I said i am basing all info on what I read here. as I do not have a single antminer psu.

this graph clearly shows high ambient temps will hurt the antimatter psu.

a 5c temp shift drops amps from 133 to 117.

and if you really look at the temp graph the temp scaling is deceptive.

look at 20 c look at 50 c then look at 55 c it is not scaled correctly.

to the point that it is done to deceive your eyes.

(graph above)

I have also had good luck with the APW3's by bitmain. I am testing by using them by running S9's and having no issues there. One is a older one that ran a S7 for quite a while and now is powering a S9 and again not any issues.

I would hold off on saying it comes up short personally. I just have not experienced this and I realize I'm one person but at this point I have used 2 separate S9's and 2 APW3's. So I would get some test's with hand's on them before deciding that the APW3's are coming up short. And I'm just one person so I cannot speak for everyone but they seem to work for me fine.

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Quote from: AriesIV10 on June 22, 2016, 09:56:27 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on June 21, 2016, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: ulatec on June 21, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

Just ordered one. Wondering what power supplies people are using in the states?

Thanks guys!

I suspect that the bitmaintech psu is just a tiny bit short to run an s-9

it does need 210 or more volts so if in USA you need correct voltage wires.

now if you are looking for an ATX 120 volt option EVGA has them but they are costly

titanium 1600 watt cost - 386 usd

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-TITANIUM-Crossfire-220-T2-1600-X1/dp/B00R33ZBQU/ref=sr_1_1?

platinum 342
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1600-X1/dp/B00NJG61JQ/ref=sr_1_3?

gold 302
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Crossfire-Warranty-120-G2-1600-X1/dp/B00MMLUIE8/ref=sr_1_2?

How many of the Bitmain APW3's have you tried out? Through my testing I have 1 remote connected to a APW3 and one now at my place connected to an APW3 and not having issues with them.

What way are you testing the APW3 to determine they are coming up short? I have been testing by running the units with them so wanted to what tests you were using to get this. Just trying to compare as we seem to be getting different results.

I have personally purchased and have been using 30 of the Bitmain PSUs with no issues so far. The rest of my miners have been on rental PSUs. I would say that over the time of 9 months is a very good track record.

the s-7 uses 50 to 80 watts less then the s-9.

many symptoms described on the s-9 were lessened by down clocking freq just a bit. all anecdotal info.

all your 30 plus are on s-7 correct? how many are on the s-9.

mind you if you have climate control for you psu's (i.e. ambient under 80f) you will get better results.

a psu right at its real world limit will be aid by a cooler temp.

And as I said i am basing all info on what I read here. as I do not have a single antminer psu.

this graph clearly shows high ambient temps will hurt the antimatter psu.

a 5c temp shift drops amps from 133 to 117.

and if you really look at the temp graph the temp scaling is deceptive.

look at 20 c look at 50 c then look at 55 c it is not scaled correctly.

to the point that it is done to deceive your eyes.

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Has anyone found how to tweak an Antminer to change web interface/ssh port for remotely controlling it?

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Quote from: sidehack on June 22, 2016, 09:37:09 AM

Yeah, but if you try to run Avalon6 version of cgminer on a Bitmain product it's not going to work. Each miner has its own driver for cgminer core, and Bitmain's code hasn't really been that good in about two years. The hardware doesn't care what it's hashing as long as the data is fed in in the right format. Pool issues, vardiff issues, shitcoin issues, all that is software.

I researched S5 image and sources and managed to compile my version of cgminer for S5 so no need to explain me software part as i am a programmer myself.
It's hard to argue that hardware is more likely to lockup computer than software.

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The latest version of Awesome Miner adds support for Antminer S9.

Awesome Miner can monitor multiple miners and provide notifications, fault recovery, custom triggers and actions, SSH and scripting.

Screenshot of Awesome Miner monitoring the mining of Antminer S9:

Happy mining!

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Quote from: notlist3d on June 21, 2016, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Quote from: ulatec on June 21, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

Just ordered one. Wondering what power supplies people are using in the states?

Thanks guys!

I suspect that the bitmaintech psu is just a tiny bit short to run an s-9

it does need 210 or more volts so if in USA you need correct voltage wires.

now if you are looking for an ATX 120 volt option EVGA has them but they are costly

titanium 1600 watt cost - 386 usd

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-TITANIUM-Crossfire-220-T2-1600-X1/dp/B00R33ZBQU/ref=sr_1_1?

platinum 342
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-PLATINUM-Crossfire-220-P2-1600-X1/dp/B00NJG61JQ/ref=sr_1_3?

gold 302
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Crossfire-Warranty-120-G2-1600-X1/dp/B00MMLUIE8/ref=sr_1_2?

How many of the Bitmain APW3's have you tried out? Through my testing I have 1 remote connected to a APW3 and one now at my place connected to an APW3 and not having issues with them.

What way are you testing the APW3 to determine they are coming up short? I have been testing by running the units with them so wanted to what tests you were using to get this. Just trying to compare as we seem to be getting different results.

I have personally purchased and have been using 30 of the Bitmain PSUs with no issues so far. The rest of my miners have been on rental PSUs. I would say that over the time of 9 months is a very good track record.

sidehack

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Yeah, but if you try to run Avalon6 version of cgminer on a Bitmain product it's not going to work. Each miner has its own driver for cgminer core, and Bitmain's code hasn't really been that good in about two years. The hardware doesn't care what it's hashing as long as the data is fed in in the right format. Pool issues, vardiff issues, shitcoin issues, all that is software.

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Quote from: sidehack on June 22, 2016, 07:35:13 AM

Pretty unlikely to be hardware-related, if it was on the S5. BM1384 have no problem working with vardiff 1.

S5 are known to lock itself when mining shitcoins on nicehash. Same apply to S7s but they only loose one hashing board untill soft reboot. I don't think this is cgminer problem as A6 also use cgminer but don't have such bug

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Quote from: sunny163 on June 22, 2016, 07:14:18 AM

Quote from: cryptotore on June 22, 2016, 06:37:31 AM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on June 21, 2016, 05:01:00 PM

Quote from: Sierra8561 on June 21, 2016, 04:32:07 PM

Quote from: alh on June 21, 2016, 04:22:47 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 04:14:53 PM

I just checked my two s-9's coming on weds well they are now coming on thurs and both have a line I have never seen.
I bolded the line below.

Shenzhen, China   06/22/2016   1:00 A.M.   Export Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/21/2016   10:15 P.M.
Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery. / The package will be forwarded to a UPS facility in the destination city.

Lakewood, NJ, United States   06/21/2016   7:08 A.M.   The receiver must pay the duties or taxes due on the package.

.....

I wonder if maybe this happened because you have two S9's as a single shipment, and the total value exceeded some threshold. In the past haven't you had "single miner shipments"? Perhaps in the future it might be worth considering staggered orders which become staggered shipments?

I had the exact same thing happen. I had to pay $63.00 for my 5 miners.

When shipping to the USA if the value of a shipment exceeds $2,500 then Customs Import Duty kicks in. Same applies to folks returning from abroad with trinkets they picked up during their travels.

Considering the price of s9's yeah 2x def puts ya over that threshold.

EDIT: Interesting reading... https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/internet-purchases

You guys should be happy the tax rates are so low! I'm paying a default 25% import tax on my miners aka 520$, on top of the 2085$ miner price Tongue

(Norway).

Yes they are very lucky i am paying 20% sometime and sometime around 26%

I can not complain as I have order s-1's s-3's s-5's s-7's and even 2 s9's and never paid a tax as of now.

So even if it is 3% that would be about 123 usd.
If it is .3% that would be 12.30 usd.

I was not complaining so much as I was wondering what I would pay.

@ alienesb

yeah it was brooklyn speak which is talking like you feel at that exact moment.

Now that 12 hours have past lets face it I will buy more gear. Grin

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