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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 315. (Read 531298 times)

legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Right - for this and fee reasons never use saved or mined btc to pay for a miner.  If you really think btc will go up, buy the btc with cash, then buy the miner.

Not sure I'm following - what difference does it make where the BTC came from? It's still the same amount that you need to ROI. Speaking of which - if you think that BTC will go up, why buy an overpriced miner that might or might not ROI in 9-12 months? BTC going up will just make it worse for ROI (likely faster difficulty growth etc).

the cost of mined a coin is not the same as purchased coin.

Much longer explanation is needed,but here goes.

I go to coinbase today right now spend 2k on coin and send it right to bitmaintech.  my cost is 2k in btc and in usd.

If I sold 8 gpus at 200 each in btc on June 1  I made a gain since the coin went up in fiat so I would use less coin 15 days later to buy the miner.

same applies if I mined coins from april to june 16 to buy the unit.  the coins went up in value.

full member
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The jump in price works against B1 buyers just as much as it works for them, since to buy batch 1 you had to buy BTC at about 30% less than it's going for now. So someone buying a later unit for the same USD would have to mine back about 30% less coin to break even, which because of diminishing returns from diff increases will mean breakeven more than 30% faster.

Mining almost works as a hedge against a price drop. Mining from late 2014 to fall 2015 led to great returns as difficulty was relatively flat.
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Time is the fire in which we burn


hmm which new psu are you talking about?? the miners with the psu mounted on the top? those are only supposed to reach 2.7th/s on the default config. or do you mean the separate 1600w psu (if so those arent "new") they sell? that psu only runs on 220v power i believe so are you sure your using 220v and not 110v?? try using another psu with 4 pci-e power connectors and hook 1 up to the controller and the other 3 to one of the boards. power the miner on with 1 board at a time and see what the hashrate for each board is. this will help you determine which board has issues.

Completely useless suggestions.

First of all, he lives in a country where is 230V electricity .
Second. I'm pretty sure he bought 1600W PSU.
Thirdly. S9 software shows each blade separately. Hashing speed and HV errors.
There is no need to disconnect anything.

I got my first five S9 and one is also "lemon".
Tomorrow brings  courier another 6x S9 . I hope they are better.

Hope dies last, but the important thing is that it dies.
I've got three of em. I have to downclock to 525, 575, and 625 in order not get too many HW's (new Bitmain PSU's)
legendary
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hmm which new psu are you talking about?? the miners with the psu mounted on the top? those are only supposed to reach 2.7th/s on the default config. or do you mean the separate 1600w psu (if so those arent "new") they sell? that psu only runs on 220v power i believe so are you sure your using 220v and not 110v?? try using another psu with 4 pci-e power connectors and hook 1 up to the controller and the other 3 to one of the boards. power the miner on with 1 board at a time and see what the hashrate for each board is. this will help you determine which board has issues.

Completely useless suggestions.

First of all, he lives in a country where is 230V electricity .
Second. I'm pretty sure he bought 1600W PSU.
Thirdly. S9 software shows each blade separately. Hashing speed and HV errors.
There is no need to disconnect anything.

I got my first five S9 and one is also "lemon".
Tomorrow brings  courier another 6x S9 . I hope they are better.
sr. member
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What a dissapointing miner. Got 5 pcs S9`s and only 1 is working 100% even after firmware upgrade.
1 miner is running only 2 th on 1 board another miner is only running 2.4 TH on all 3 boards and 2 are completely dead. I bought even the new Bitmain PSU with the miners...
Holy moses im dissapointed.

hmm which new psu are you talking about?? the miners with the psu mounted on the top? those are only supposed to reach 2.7th/s on the default config. or do you mean the separate 1600w psu (if so those arent "new") they sell? that psu only runs on 220v power i believe so are you sure your using 220v and not 110v?? try using another psu with 4 pci-e power connectors and hook 1 up to the controller and the other 3 to one of the boards. power the miner on with 1 board at a time and see what the hashrate for each board is. this will help you determine which board has issues.
sr. member
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What a dissapointing miner. Got 5 pcs S9`s and only 1 is working 100% even after firmware upgrade.
1 miner is running only 2 th on 1 board another miner is only running 2.4 TH on all 3 boards and 2 are completely dead. I bought even the new Bitmain PSU with the miners...
Holy moses im dissapointed.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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What a dissapointing miner. Got 5 pcs S9`s and only 1 is working 100% even after firmware upgrade.
1 miner is running only 2 th on 1 board another miner is only running 2.4 TH on all 3 boards and 2 are completely dead. I bought even the new Bitmain PSU with the miners...
Holy moses im dissapointed.

FW upgrade? Was it recommended?

s9-20160608-650M-release.tar.gz - https://www.bitmaintech.com/support.htm?pid=00720160615035302444KTs9xiKF06B2

I haven't looked at in detail, but the BMminer build is one day newer than what was shipped on my Batch 1.

Check /usr/bin/compile_time

legendary
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What a dissapointing miner. Got 5 pcs S9`s and only 1 is working 100% even after firmware upgrade.
1 miner is running only 2 th on 1 board another miner is only running 2.4 TH on all 3 boards and 2 are completely dead. I bought even the new Bitmain PSU with the miners...
Holy moses im dissapointed.

FW upgrade? Was it recommended?

My S9-B1 is hashing ok but its running hot but now stabilized at 525mhz@11TH, out of box 13.4TH
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
What a dissapointing miner. Got 5 pcs S9`s and only 1 is working 100% even after firmware upgrade.
1 miner is running only 2 th on 1 board another miner is only running 2.4 TH on all 3 boards and 2 are completely dead. I bought even the new Bitmain PSU with the miners...
Holy moses im dissapointed.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
Right - for this and fee reasons never use saved or mined btc to pay for a miner.  If you really think btc will go up, buy the btc with cash, then buy the miner.

Not sure I'm following - what difference does it make where the BTC came from? It's still the same amount that you need to ROI. Speaking of which - if you think that BTC will go up, why buy an overpriced miner that might or might not ROI in 9-12 months? BTC going up will just make it worse for ROI (likely faster difficulty growth etc).
legendary
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The thermometer on my workbench right now is reading 96F. Oh, just jumped to 97F. That's not even in the sun, or in the hosting room. Heat sucks. I turned S9 clocks down to 625 yesterday and now chip temps are still 99-103C.

SP20/SP30 chip tolerated up to 115C on the chip quite nicely (throttled at 125), so i think that 103 should be OK (theoretically) as long as PCB is below 75C.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
The thermometer on my workbench right now is reading 96F. Oh, just jumped to 97F. That's not even in the sun, or in the hosting room. Heat sucks. I turned S9 clocks down to 625 yesterday and now chip temps are still 99-103C.
legendary
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The jump in price works against B1 buyers just as much as it works for them, since to buy batch 1 you had to buy BTC at about 30% less than it's going for now. So someone buying a later unit for the same USD would have to mine back about 30% less coin to break even, which because of diminishing returns from diff increases will mean breakeven more than 30% faster.
Right - for this and fee reasons never use saved or mined btc to pay for a miner.  If you really think btc will go up, buy the btc with cash, then buy the miner.
legendary
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Merit: 4656
And it looks like, due to heat and errors, a lot of the 14TH machines won't actually run at 14TH reliably anyway.

how S9s are holding up in high ambient vs lower (at night)?
Rolla is at 97F, same as Houston, although we are at least 500-600 miles south.

EDIT: BTW, if we stay at least at $750 through halving, network will not drop 20-30%, but no more than 5-10% (if that), making existing S7 quite profitable even after the halving (maybe at least for 2-3 mo longer)
EDIT2 darn it, i just refreshed the page and btc is at $772
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
And it looks like, due to heat and errors, a lot of the 14TH machines won't actually run at 14TH reliably anyway.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
The jump in price works against B1 buyers just as much as it works for them, since to buy batch 1 you had to buy BTC at about 30% less than it's going for now. So someone buying a later unit for the same USD would have to mine back about 30% less coin to break even, which because of diminishing returns from diff increases will mean breakeven more than 30% faster.

If you can get one at the current rate... out of stock now. Not sure if Bitmain is playing games here but it's probably creating a sense of urgency for some buyers.

As for math early vs later, I prefer to look if you can mine the price difference in the time period between when those miners ship. I doubt Batch 1 will be able to mine a full coin before Monday when the first Batch 3 miners start arriving. The price difference was 4 vs 3 BTC. Batch 1 might have a slight hashrate advantage (14 vs 12.93) but I don't think that will be enough to close the price gap.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
The jump in price works against B1 buyers just as much as it works for them, since to buy batch 1 you had to buy BTC at about 30% less than it's going for now. So someone buying a later unit for the same USD would have to mine back about 30% less coin to break even, which because of diminishing returns from diff increases will mean breakeven more than 30% faster.
legendary
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S9 is not working in Nicehash Huh
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Frankly, when I first ran the numbers for the S9 there was no way they were going to see ROI in any kind of reasonable time frame.  Now with big spike in BTC prior to halving these guys that jumped on B1 are looking like they may have a shot at ROI in a year.  It all depends on prices continuing to go their way.  Right now it is looking a LOT better than it did when they ordered them.   So the big gamblers it may pay off for them.  Time to grab the popcorn and watch... I know the BTC price is making me wish I had gambled a little... LOL
sr. member
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im blown away by the number of people paying these ridiculous numbers for miners that wont ROI in 6 months or less. I saw an article saying the S9 was an amazing investment and they even said if everything stays the same (diff, price, etc) then it will break even in a little over a year.....a year!?!?! how is this a good investment guys?? just wait until halving.....the price will need to drop otherwise they wont sell any miners. if the temp numbers people are throwing out there are true how can you expect these things to even last a whole year?? 70c at under clocked speeds is just too effin hot! running my s7's at a lower fan speed but still at full speed doesn't make my temps go this high....if they have the same issue the s5's and above have with burning themselves up once internet goes down for extended periods of time you all r gonna be screwed.



If you set fans on manual at 75%  the internet goes out but the fans run so  no burnout.

Buying miners vs buy and hold is a very complex comparison for roi.  Depends on many factors.

As for everything staying the same (diff,price,etc)  yeah  you are correct  8 to 12 months for breakeven.

I have cheap power so I break even on Feb 14th 2017.  if units drop 70% in price  my 2 batch 1's sell for 1300  and I make a 1300 profit I also get free heat from

OCT 1 to FEB 14 about 9000 btus 24/7  So  I see quite a few reasons take my chances with with them.

1. no when the unit loses internet for long periods of time (seems random...sometimes minutes and other times almost an hour sometimes never) the fans spin down to a slow slow rpm. i have seen it happen in every miner since the s5 was released so its not something im making up. all of the miners since the s5 are set to hash locally when the network drops.....bitmain told me this. they said it discards the shares over and over and its supposed to stop but it doesn't. only the fans stop which is when temps spike and can be dangerous.

2. 8-12 months is too long since new miners come out before the old ones break even. if and only if the diff stays the same will these break even if they last that long. but we both know the diff wont stay the same. i say the diff because the diff will raise along with the price so while you can mine for a couple of weeks at what looks like an awesome profit once the halving happens your roi will quickly tank.

3. yes you can sell your miners on and make a few bucks back but i don't recall the name of the game being lets break even....you invest to make money not lose it or get back what you put in a year later. also if you think ur miner will be worth 1300 almost a year from now then idk what to say.....the price of btc will have to soar and soar to break even and make this purchase worth while. I hope that does happen for all of your sakes but the reward vs the risk isnt good enough to jump in like u guys did.

4. running them at home in the summertime will cost you more than it would in the winter. power prices r higher in the summer per kwh and the cost to run an air conditioner is higher than running a heat pump (we have heatpumps mostly here and gas heating) so that will hurt your roi times as well. just calculating the cost of the power just to run it isnt the right way to go about calculating the cost to run the miner in the summer.

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