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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 312. (Read 531168 times)

legendary
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Mine for a Bit
Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.

I can understand wanting credit for every second participating in the pool, however, the Slush method isn't necessarily unfair.

It's true that you lose all your work on power down for the next block found.  But on the flip side of that coin you get full credit for the next block found on power up.  Granted, you lose work faster than you gain it, but not so much so that these two attributes of the scoring system don't nearly cancel each other out.

To boot, if you get back online before the next block is solved (in the pool) there is 0 impact to the credit towards that block.  So Slush favors power ons as well as intermittent power downs between blocks to balance out for losing credit on power downs where a block is solved.

I see nothing *bad* about that.  It's just different.

Thank you  I see something in your info that I can use.


There is a site that measures pool statistics:  http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/?view=flipcard
Goto the third Card that says Pools.

Of course there is a method that I also use is put a 1 miner there and compare with 1 miner in another pool to see the profitability.  That Dashoboard of Slush's is cool, but the bottom line is what counts!
legendary
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There was that whole thing where Kano had talked to someone who had an S9 before they were technically released and it was sending an extraneous command at connection that was causing it not to work on the Kano pool.  I don't know if you could see it in the logs at startup or not.  But it seems within the realm of possibility that if this one did not have the firmware updated before being shipped it may be configured to use that extraneous command at connection which would prevent it from working on Kano CKpool.  In that case then theoretically speaking, a firmware update should fix it.  However based on the intermittent bricking reports from S7 firmware updates I think I would be certain that was the issue before going down that road.  

Thanks.  Alas my S9 unit was shipped with the June 8th firmware, and I'm seeing the same issue on my S7s.  I've asked for help on the #ckpool IRC channel, but so far, no response.

To the previous responder:  I actually do know how to spell my username, and the image shows that as being consistent with my usage on Slush.  As mentioned, the website accepts that spelling as me.

Then that suggests an intentional block on the pool side for some reason.  Message him on here or post in the pool thread.
legendary
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Carl, aka Sonny :)


Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

Have you tried any of the other ports?  Which country are you in?  There are some nodes for other countries as well...

stratum+tcp://stratum.kano.is:3333
stratum+tcp://stratum80.kano.is:80
stratum+tcp://stratum81.kano.is:81
stratum+tcp://stratum443.kano.is:443
stratum+tcp://stratum8080.kano.is:8080
sr. member
Activity: 470
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Better to have 100 friends than 100 rubles

There was that whole thing where Kano had talked to someone who had an S9 before they were technically released and it was sending an extraneous command at connection that was causing it not to work on the Kano pool.  I don't know if you could see it in the logs at startup or not.  But it seems within the realm of possibility that if this one did not have the firmware updated before being shipped it may be configured to use that extraneous command at connection which would prevent it from working on Kano CKpool.  In that case then theoretically speaking, a firmware update should fix it.  However based on the intermittent bricking reports from S7 firmware updates I think I would be certain that was the issue before going down that road.  

Thanks.  Alas my S9 unit was shipped with the June 8th firmware, and I'm seeing the same issue on my S7s.  I've asked for help on the #ckpool IRC channel, but so far, no response.

To the previous responder:  I actually do know how to spell my username, and the image shows that as being consistent with my usage on Slush.  As mentioned, the website accepts that spelling as me.
legendary
Activity: 1726
Merit: 1018


Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

name wrong ! chk properly.


There was that whole thing where Kano had talked to someone who had an S9 before they were technically released and it was sending an extraneous command at connection that was causing it not to work on the Kano pool.  I don't know if you could see it in the logs at startup or not.  But it seems within the realm of possibility that if this one did not have the firmware updated before being shipped it may be configured to use that extraneous command at connection which would prevent it from working on Kano CKpool.  In that case then theoretically speaking, a firmware update should fix it.  However based on the intermittent bricking reports from S7 firmware updates I think I would be certain that was the issue before going down that road.  
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.

I can understand wanting credit for every second participating in the pool, however, the Slush method isn't necessarily unfair.

It's true that you lose all your work on power down for the next block found.  But on the flip side of that coin you get full credit for the next block found on power up.  Granted, you lose work faster than you gain it, but not so much so that these two attributes of the scoring system don't nearly cancel each other out.

To boot, if you get back online before the next block is solved (in the pool) there is 0 impact to the credit towards that block.  So Slush favors power ons as well as intermittent power downs between blocks to balance out for losing credit on power downs where a block is solved.

I see nothing *bad* about that.  It's just different.

Thank you  I see something in your info that I can use.
member
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waiting for batch 2 be shipped ......
legendary
Activity: 1500
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Mine Mine Mine


Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

name wrong ! chk properly.

back to topic, b3 scheduled to arrive on 20th too.

no lemon no likey lemon
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Almost at 2 hours now, web page indicateds 13,544.19 GH/S(RT) and 13,6954.32(avg) - just added the "Lowes sound mod" and noticing the temps go up a few degrees - now at 65-67C.

Of interest, Slushpool is crediting my S9 with 14.53TH/s over the past hour:

My units are in a basement "machine room", so thinking of removing the grills to see if that helps.  On my S7s, I found partially blocking the intake worked, but raised temps.  Using a block of 2x3 lumber BEHIND the unit brought the sound under control.  May play a bit more before disabling the safety grills.

Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits.  

I use Slush because I can have an active dashboard on every single electronic device I own.  I notice within minutes when one of my miners is offline or hashing at unusually low rates.  The increased % of uptime is worth more to me than the higher % of blocks found.

My units are in a remote location on a TWC business class connection and I still live in fear that they will burn up on an internet outage.  I've had several that I noticed immediately and by the time I arrived it still smelled a bit toasty and the metal racks were almost searing hot.  No other pool offers the kind of access to the dashboard (from my experience) that allows me to respond almost immediately.

I get notices of down or under-performing miners by text messages (and emails) on Kano.is so I don't have to watch the dashboard constantly.  I used to be on Slush until I realized that I made a lot more on Kano.  Now...I just can't wait to get my S9 batch 3 online!  Cheesy



 
legendary
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Blade 4 seems to have 10x the HW errors   -  Now hashing at 13.444Thz  -- Ambient temp is below 20deg C


(picture above)


Oh  and numnutz2009  your name is Fitting -- Just replace the first  n with a D

Your HW errors are still really low though.   So the even with the 1 with more I don't see it as a amount that causes alarm.   You have a decent test run with over a day.   As far as hardware errors looks fine to me.


On another note Biodom can you add a PSU spot on your spreadsheet?   Would be interested to have that on there.  On one I am testing with you can put down the Bitmain AP3.

I don't mind adding PSU, of course, but most people provide only fractional info.
I will add it for you a bit later.
legendary
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Blade 4 seems to have 10x the HW errors   -  Now hashing at 13.444Thz  -- Ambient temp is below 20deg C


(picture above)


Oh  and numnutz2009  your name is Fitting -- Just replace the first  n with a D

Your HW errors are still really low though.   So the even with the 1 with more I don't see it as a amount that causes alarm.   You have a decent test run with over a day.   As far as hardware errors looks fine to me.


On another note Biodom can you add a PSU spot on your spreadsheet?   Would be interested to have that on there.  On one I am testing with you can put down the Bitmain AP3.
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Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.

I can understand wanting credit for every second participating in the pool, however, the Slush method isn't necessarily unfair.

It's true that you lose all your work on power down for the next block found.  But on the flip side of that coin you get full credit for the next block found on power up.  Granted, you lose work faster than you gain it, but not so much so that these two attributes of the scoring system don't nearly cancel each other out.

To boot, if you get back online before the next block is solved (in the pool) there is 0 impact to the credit towards that block.  So Slush favors power ons as well as intermittent power downs between blocks to balance out for losing credit on power downs where a block is solved.

I see nothing *bad* about that.  It's just different.
sr. member
Activity: 470
Merit: 250
Better to have 100 friends than 100 rubles


Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.
hero member
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it would be interesting to tally up S9 B1 performance so far. There seem to be some complains, but let's put some real numbers on this.
Please respond (if you want) with four  parameters. If machine is DOA, obviously zeroes for speed.

1. Th at start, for example 1hr without mhz adjustment (if possible)  
2. Stable Th
3. stable mhz
4. ambient temp

Here's some more precise numbers. I only own Machine 1, so that's the only one I've tried to overclock so far. Still testing its limits.

Machine 1:
1. 13.7 TH/s
2. 14.2 TH/s
3. 668 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 55°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 85°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 2 ("m5"):
1. 13.7 TH/s
2. 13.7 TH/s
3. 650 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 55°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 86°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 3 ("m6"):
1. 8.0 TH/s
2. 11-12 TH/s
3. 575 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 55°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 86°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 4 ("m7"):
1. 13.8 TH/s
2. 13.8 TH/s
3. 650 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 56°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 87°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 5 ("m8"):
1. 7.5 TH/s
2. 11.5-12.5 TH/s
3. 575 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 53°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 86°C max Temp(Chip)
legendary
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it would be interesting to tally up S9 B1 performance so far. There seem to be some complains, but let's put some real numbers on this.
Please respond (if you want) with four  parameters. If machine is DOA, obviously zeroes for speed.

1. Th at start, for example 1hr without mhz adjustment (if possible)  
2. Stable Th
3. stable mhz
4. ambient temp

So far (of what was posted in bits and pieces):



My S9 stabilized to a level I am comfortable with at 650mhz this time hashing 13.7 THs (showing 14.74THs at Kano pool) but fans is still almost full speed at 95%, no woo-woo sound at least. PCB 57-62c, CHIP 86-95c.

After the firmware upgrade, things seemed to have done the trick - but the 3rd blade is producing high HW error rate - in the hundreds. After 10 hours or so, HW error count from balde 1 to 3 are, 19, 32, 455! This bit is still bothering me.
member
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Blade 4 seems to have 10x the HW errors   -  Now hashing at 13.444Thz  -- Ambient temp is below 20deg C





Oh  and numnutz2009  your name is Fitting -- Just replace the first  n with a D
member
Activity: 108
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Almost at 2 hours now, web page indicateds 13,544.19 GH/S(RT) and 13,6954.32(avg) - just added the "Lowes sound mod" and noticing the temps go up a few degrees - now at 65-67C.

Of interest, Slushpool is crediting my S9 with 14.53TH/s over the past hour:

My units are in a basement "machine room", so thinking of removing the grills to see if that helps.  On my S7s, I found partially blocking the intake worked, but raised temps.  Using a block of 2x3 lumber BEHIND the unit brought the sound under control.  May play a bit more before disabling the safety grills.

Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

I use Slush because I can have an active dashboard on every single electronic device I own.  I notice within minutes when one of my miners is offline or hashing at unusually low rates.  The increased % of uptime is worth more to me than the higher % of blocks found.

My units are in a remote location on a TWC business class connection and I still live in fear that they will burn up on an internet outage.  I've had several that I noticed immediately and by the time I arrived it still smelled a bit toasty and the metal racks were almost searing hot.  No other pool offers the kind of access to the dashboard (from my experience) that allows me to respond almost immediately.
sr. member
Activity: 470
Merit: 250
Better to have 100 friends than 100 rubles
Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Being able to see the individual blades' performance opens up the possibility of combining good or bad performing blades into a single unit and then clocking the unit appropriately for the blades (presumably voiding the warranty in the process though).

@yxt have you tried downclocking at all to see what happens to the blades that are not performing as well?



Also out of curiosity, has anyone from batch 2 or 3 received a shipping notification?  I am curious if batch 3 really is going to ship before batch 2.

My batch 3 is scheduled to arrive Monday the 20th...
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