That's what Steve Jobs did with the iPhone.
Made short supply so it would get sold out and it ended up creating huge demand.
Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 346. (Read 531164 times)
June 01, 2016, 11:52:32 PM
June 01, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
Was going to order one, but S9 is sold out 
They are just teasing you and everyone else, creating a sense of scarcity, which, as we all know, does not really exist.
Will be back in a few. Maybe B2 with 187 or 191 chips instead of 189,
Yes quick, before there are none left ! We all know thats ridiculous. I feel the diff of btc will rise over the summer and in the fall it will be quite dramatic as all the new gear comes online - I think we'll get a huge btc price bubble in the fall again (it is time imo). I also feel price will not come down much, but there will be coupons. always the coupons. I feel many things
June 01, 2016, 09:28:28 PM
Don't worry they had already announced second batch
June 01, 2016, 09:24:59 PM
Was going to order one, but S9 is sold out
They are just teasing you and everyone else, creating a sense of scarcity, which, as we all know, does not really exist.
Will be back in a few. Maybe B2 with 187 or 191 chips instead of 189,
June 01, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
Was going to order one, but S9 is sold out
June 01, 2016, 05:39:37 PM
Personally I am eyeing up what all those extra ports are for on the controller,
Looks like some kind of 140th monster!
I want it in and around my face! only if its rack mount tho...
Looks like some kind of 140th monster!
I want it in and around my face! only if its rack mount tho...
June 01, 2016, 05:18:39 PM
The situation is quite similar to that we experienced september 2015 when S7 arrived, (halving perspective excluded).
I 'm curious to know if a lot of people who pay their electricity >= $ 0.1 / KWh won something with their S7 ?
I 'm curious to know if a lot of people who pay their electricity >= $ 0.1 / KWh won something with their S7 ?
Yes. I bought many of my S7 with USD . With VAT 2100-2300 USD
I sold BTC at 475 EURO last month. Do Batch1/3/5 machine earned a profit of 4.5 BTC after electricity ? Yes.
I just don't see how it could have happened. Did you use nice hash or rent them out? Overclock? No down time? Good pool?
I had seven machines (B1,2,2,4,5,6,7) running almost nonstop from the time I got them, apart from shipping to hosting, also maybe lost 3-4 days due to bad weather, etc.
My calculations show that I am still about 5 btc short if counting in btc and roughly breakeven in $$ if you add electricity cost and PSUs (and not forget shipping), which is similar at my place and hosting-about 9c. Overall, if i sell now the only profit would be whatever price I will get in a sale of these machines.
So, maybe some small profit will be possible in $$ in the end, mostly due to BTC going from the 300s (average) to 535 (now).
Therefore, no, NO btc profit whatsoever, maybe breakeven in btc if i wait until halving and let them produce a bit more.
As a result, i am not buying S9.
If I have to rely on btc rising, I can just buy btc instead and hold.
After halving-we shall see.
June 01, 2016, 05:08:06 PM
I'll let Batch #1 pass by and wait for Batch #2 with a price correction and get me two of these machines at halving point for 50% of the Price now
good move
June 01, 2016, 05:04:35 PM
Pretty similar, yet still worse. You will literally hit the halving just as you start mining with these. Then the diff will skyrocket and make it even more pointless.
Why should diff rise after the halving ?
I think that many of the miners turned off, if the BTC price stays the same or decreases.
Bitmain mining with this (S9 blades) type miners already long ago.
Patch1 sales not affect difficulty very much. This is a small amount of very expensive and highly effective miners for home users.
What is important , what happens to with the all old miners. Turned off or still mining .
I think it turned out the majority of S3 and S5 and very cheaply sold a lot S7 in the whole world.
Do Bitmain will sell S7 upgrade KIT? This is the big question.
S9 Dimensions: 350mm(L)*135mm(W)*158mm(H)
S7 Dimensions: 301mm(L)*123mm(W)*155mm(H)
As shown, the S9 is longer
So I think , no upgrade KIT for S7
Because China and Data Centers/BTC mines that hold most of the hashrate don't care. They already have 0.01-0.025$/kWh.
Because Bitfury has stuff too. Because Bitmain is going to pump tons of these. The hashrate will probably drop a little at first and then its going to spike as 0.06-0.1J/GH get rolled in in masses.
Because in the best case scenario, the S9 will still ROI in 1 year, which is absurdly long.
June 01, 2016, 04:35:35 PM
Anyway, like it or not b1 buyers paid a premium to be the first. The price will go down, that's a certainty. The question is how fast and how far it will go.
The buyers of the first batches pay the premium discount for the last batches. Why should it be different for this miner?
June 01, 2016, 04:20:43 PM
I'll let Batch #1 pass by and wait for Batch #2 with a price correction and get me two of these machines at halving point for 50% of the Price now
You are dreaming too many.
Bitmain do not make with the S9 same mistake that with the S7
He had just sold off S7 because there was already S9 and waited on the available shelves .
At present, better miners (as S9 blades) from Bitmain are not coming in 6 months.
She has time for them to be sold at the prize of what he wants to ask (Selling one miner, or 5 per account.)
The limited supply of miners per account had a good sales strategy. Efficient to me, I bought ten
Bitmain is now the king of the home miner market.
Batch 2 might not be that much less than batch 1, but all mining hardware trends down in price for successive batches.
This time though the halving will provide downward price pressure. Also if BW ever ships anything comparable, the there would be some competition for Bitmain at last.
Anyway, like it or not b1 buyers paid a premium to be the first. The price will go down, that's a certainty. The question is how fast and how far it will go.
June 01, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Jumped on the wagon and bought my 5 x S9.
Rolling the dice big time.
Rolling the dice big time.
June 01, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
I'll let Batch #1 pass by and wait for Batch #2 with a price correction and get me two of these machines at halving point for 50% of the Price now
You are dreaming too many.
Bitmain do not make with the S9 same mistake that with the S7
He had just sold off S7 because there was already S9 and waited on the available shelves .
At present, better miners (as S9 blades) from Bitmain are not coming in 6 months.
She has time for them to be sold at the prize of what he wants to ask (Selling one miner, or 5 per account.)
The limited supply of miners per account had a good sales strategy. Efficient to me, I bought ten
Bitmain is now the king of the home miner market.
June 01, 2016, 01:26:39 PM
I need this 
June 01, 2016, 01:18:43 PM
Very nice machine... more hash power than I was expecting from the S9, although like many have said the price right now is just too over priced, even for the good specs. I think it will need to be more around $1000 before I buy some.
June 01, 2016, 11:58:02 AM
I'll let Batch #1 pass by and wait for Batch #2 with a price correction and get me two of these machines at halving point for 50% of the Price now
June 01, 2016, 11:27:30 AM
D@MN -- Left my Trezor at home & by the time I got home from work to order - SOLD OUT Aaargh
June 01, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
The situation is quite similar to that we experienced september 2015 when S7 arrived, (halving perspective excluded).
I 'm curious to know if a lot of people who pay their electricity >= $ 0.1 / KWh won something with their S7 ?
I 'm curious to know if a lot of people who pay their electricity >= $ 0.1 / KWh won something with their S7 ?
Yes. I bought many of my S7 with USD . With VAT 2100-2300 USD
I sold BTC at 475 EURO last month. Do Batch1/3/5 machine earned a profit of 4.5 BTC after electricity ? Yes.
I bought my 5x S9 with BTC because I think that the BTC price will fall after halving or before.
S9 miner owners do not need a high BTC price, they require low Bitcoin Difficulty: and Network Hashrate.
To compensate for this I bought 5x S9 with USD from friend's account.
When I put them to work I have to sell my S7, because I have no more power.
If You want good and cheap S7 from EU, please click here
I'm not sure that 5 S7 @2000$ last september win 20000$ in BTC, minus electricity ...
If you calculate the BTC production of each S7 on this period minus electricity fee @ 0.1$/Kwh, at constant BTC value, ROI should be wrong.
June 01, 2016, 11:10:36 AM
The s9 seems over priced. To put this into perspective, let us compare S7 with S9. let say the aim is 14TH
1 S9 = $2100
1 Power Supply (from Bitmain) = $140
Shipping to the US (Fedex) = $75
Total = $2315
To get the same hash rate with S7, we need 3 S7s, 4.73 x 3 = 14.2TH
3 S7s = $1320 ($420 each)
3 power supplies = $420 ($140 each)
Shipping to the US = $140
Total = $1880
The difference is $435. If you think the space and efficiency worth the difference, go ahead and buy it. If not, (let say, you have a very cheap electricity, and plenty of space), S7 is a better option. If you ask me, I would say don't buy any of them. just wait until halving, the price will be more reasonable, and you can evaluate your investment better!
1 S9 = $2100
1 Power Supply (from Bitmain) = $140
Shipping to the US (Fedex) = $75
Total = $2315
To get the same hash rate with S7, we need 3 S7s, 4.73 x 3 = 14.2TH
3 S7s = $1320 ($420 each)
3 power supplies = $420 ($140 each)
Shipping to the US = $140
Total = $1880
The difference is $435. If you think the space and efficiency worth the difference, go ahead and buy it. If not, (let say, you have a very cheap electricity, and plenty of space), S7 is a better option. If you ask me, I would say don't buy any of them. just wait until halving, the price will be more reasonable, and you can evaluate your investment better!
In 3 months you'll have paid ~6000x your $/kWh in additional power, so break even at $0.07/kWh ignoring the fact you're not stuck with 3x S7s rather than an S9.
June 01, 2016, 10:59:02 AM
I have to say they marked my second order paid.
So I have 2 on the way.
So I have 2 on the way.
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