Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 349. (Read 531297 times)
May 31, 2016, 03:23:41 PM
Looks like the same fans so I'm going to guess that they're just as noisy as the S7. Can't wait to read a review on these but they are just too much for me to risk right now.
May 31, 2016, 03:01:44 PM
Quoting from the first page... sorry
Now you know what kind of beast they have in their farms
93.3 TH/s with 10 Delta fans on push pull.... tasty
Not sure what they have in mind for the controller board? It's populated for 4 Hash Boards and 2 Fans but has provision for 20 Hash Boards and 10 Fans...
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Now you know what kind of beast they have in their farms
93.3 TH/s with 10 Delta fans on push pull.... tasty 
May 31, 2016, 01:57:43 PM
based on my assumptions of difficulty movement (primarly a ~30% drop within a few weeks of halving), seems like with free power ROI takes 5-6months. With 0.07/kwh its closer to 10-12 months.
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
So how long does it take to "Break Even" (aka ROI) if your expected -30% difficulty change doesn't actually materialize?
A 30% difficulty drop is roughly equivalent to a 420PH decrease if I am looking at things correctly.
i dont see that happening at all. It will go up and up.. We just saw a huge show of force on the network. If i was doing calcs id be factoring in another 600 ph increase over the next 3 - 4 months This is def a waiting game> Huge gamble to buy now before halving..
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14975076
Best Regards
d57heinz
Probably the best bet right now. Wait and see what happens with the halving before putting any serious money in. Too many unknowns at the moment.
May 31, 2016, 01:35:27 PM
based on my assumptions of difficulty movement (primarly a ~30% drop within a few weeks of halving), seems like with free power ROI takes 5-6months. With 0.07/kwh its closer to 10-12 months.
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
So how long does it take to "Break Even" (aka ROI) if your expected -30% difficulty change doesn't actually materialize?
A 30% difficulty drop is roughly equivalent to a 420PH decrease if I am looking at things correctly.
i dont see that happening at all. It will go up and up.. We just saw a huge show of force on the network. If i was doing calcs id be factoring in another 600 ph increase over the next 3 - 4 months This is def a waiting game> Huge gamble to buy now before halving..
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14975076
Best Regards
d57heinz
May 31, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
We will need to see a btc price above $800 to really have this make any kind of sense. Here is hoping the happens.
I see no reason it shouldn't. It's already begun rising from a very steady price, the halving is only a month away! We'll have to wait for the halving to see though. I've got good feeling
BTC price is not gonna go anywhere because of the halving. BTC halving price adjustment already took place last year when the price doubled from 225ish to the 400+ we've been healthily sitting at since this year.
You don't think it will skyrocket like it did after the last halving? I see no reason it shouldn't Like you said we've been healthily sitting at the same price for a long time, I feel this current rise in price is only a signal of the halving that's coming.
May 31, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
When will Bitfury announce their bankruptcy?
May 31, 2016, 01:21:11 PM
And of course I just ordered 2x of the batch18 s7's last night....
Argg
Damn good performance !
Argg
Damn good performance !
May 31, 2016, 01:15:16 PM
based on my assumptions of difficulty movement (primarly a ~30% drop within a few weeks of halving), seems like with free power ROI takes 5-6months. With 0.07/kwh its closer to 10-12 months.
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
So how long does it take to "Break Even" (aka ROI) if your expected -30% difficulty change doesn't actually materialize?
A 30% difficulty drop is roughly equivalent to a 420PH decrease if I am looking at things correctly.
May 31, 2016, 01:02:40 PM
based on my assumptions of difficulty movement (primarly a ~30% drop within a few weeks of halving), seems like with free power ROI takes 5-6months. With 0.07/kwh its closer to 10-12 months.
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
I can have one hosted at $0.06/kwh (+15% tax), and am likely to pull the trigger if it falls to 3.5BTC via BTCUSD price swings. At 3.9BTC, its a gamble - it would probably break even but after a full ~16month lifespan ROI would probably be 10-20% at most
May 31, 2016, 12:58:23 PM
Not sure what they have in mind for the controller board? It's populated for 4 Hash Boards and 2 Fans but has provision for 20 Hash Boards and 10 Fans...
Each of the 3 Hash boards has 63 chips arranged as 21 nodes of 3 chips, and looks to be the same design as the 135 chip S7 with a Buck Converter feeding the string. If the voltage fed to the string was the same as the S7 at 10.5V this would give a core voltage of 0.5V / Chip.
Rich
Each of the 3 Hash boards has 63 chips arranged as 21 nodes of 3 chips, and looks to be the same design as the 135 chip S7 with a Buck Converter feeding the string. If the voltage fed to the string was the same as the S7 at 10.5V this would give a core voltage of 0.5V / Chip.
Rich
It doesnt real create any extra time or cost to simply make the markings and a few vias in case of future designs. Even the S7 ad enough spots for 6 boards but noting became of it.
But I'd love to see at least 10 of these boards in a single ~50TH unit. Might not happen for a few months until the S9 price falls under ~$1500
May 31, 2016, 12:41:06 PM
We will need to see a btc price above $800 to really have this make any kind of sense. Here is hoping the happens.
I see no reason it shouldn't. It's already begun rising from a very steady price, the halving is only a month away! We'll have to wait for the halving to see though. I've got good feeling
BTC price is not gonna go anywhere because of the halving. BTC halving price adjustment already took place last year when the price doubled from 225ish to the 400+ we've been healthily sitting at since this year.
May 31, 2016, 12:33:28 PM
We will need to see a btc price above $800 to really have this make any kind of sense. Here is hoping the happens.
I see no reason it shouldn't. It's already begun rising from a very steady price, the halving is only a month away! We'll have to wait for the halving to see though. I've got good feeling
May 31, 2016, 12:32:01 PM
I know that Bitmain's pricing history would make you think a price drop is right around the corner, but why would they do something like that when there is no REAL competitors at the moment?
Their pricing model has been to lower prices to keep competitive with other manufacturers.
They dropped the price of the S7 when Bitfurry looked like something that would encroach on their market share.
As it stands there is no one close to having a market ready product. On top of that, what real gains do you expect from the next line of miners? 14nm?? 10nm?? In my option that is still way off.
Bottom line is, I wouldn't expect a price drop this time around until something forces Bitmain's hand.
It's just business.
Their pricing model has been to lower prices to keep competitive with other manufacturers.
They dropped the price of the S7 when Bitfurry looked like something that would encroach on their market share.
As it stands there is no one close to having a market ready product. On top of that, what real gains do you expect from the next line of miners? 14nm?? 10nm?? In my option that is still way off.
Bottom line is, I wouldn't expect a price drop this time around until something forces Bitmain's hand.
It's just business.
BW has announced a June release for a 14NM miner. So competition is coming.
May 31, 2016, 12:26:55 PM
So, really the S9 is a 7TH miner.... considering the halving =)
Well, at least diff will stay the same or continue to go higher now, due to this shitty release.
Well, at least diff will stay the same or continue to go higher now, due to this shitty release.
May 31, 2016, 12:26:07 PM
I know that Bitmain's pricing history would make you think a price drop is right around the corner, but why would they do something like that when there is no REAL competitors at the moment?
Their pricing model has been to lower prices to keep competitive with other manufacturers.
They dropped the price of the S7 when Bitfurry looked like something that would encroach on their market share.
As it stands there is no one close to having a market ready product. On top of that, what real gains do you expect from the next line of miners? 14nm?? 10nm?? In my option that is still way off.
Bottom line is, I wouldn't expect a price drop this time around until something forces Bitmain's hand.
It's just business.
Their pricing model has been to lower prices to keep competitive with other manufacturers.
They dropped the price of the S7 when Bitfurry looked like something that would encroach on their market share.
As it stands there is no one close to having a market ready product. On top of that, what real gains do you expect from the next line of miners? 14nm?? 10nm?? In my option that is still way off.
Bottom line is, I wouldn't expect a price drop this time around until something forces Bitmain's hand.
It's just business.
May 31, 2016, 12:06:38 PM
We will need to see a btc price above $800 to really have this make any kind of sense. Here is hoping the happens.
May 31, 2016, 11:24:45 AM
They might be well advised to release the Lite version sooner than later (with or without 1000W PSU on top)
That could be a 6.7 Th machine for $700 or so
It would make sense (at least structurally, not sure price wise).
That could be a 6.7 Th machine for $700 or so
It would make sense (at least structurally, not sure price wise).
I'm sure in the following months the price will come down drastically. I'm so hyped for the halving, so long as the price rises along with the difficulty, miners are still good to go. This thing is CRAZY efficient. I'm just dying to know what will happen a month from now.
May 31, 2016, 11:23:09 AM
They might be well advised to release the Lite version sooner than later (with or without 1000W PSU on top)
That could be a 6.7 Th machine for $700 or so
It would make sense (at least structurally, not sure price wise).
That could be a 6.7 Th machine for $700 or so
It would make sense (at least structurally, not sure price wise).
May 31, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
I also still have a negative feeling about my 2 S7 Batch 1 I bought back in time.
Since the ROI looks like to be in the same boat.
Going to pass on that for now, until halving then I will reconsider.
Since the ROI looks like to be in the same boat.
Going to pass on that for now, until halving then I will reconsider.
Definitely. I literally cannot wait for the halving. A month or so after as the dust settles will decide the fate of a lot of miners. I'm praying the price rises like it should to keep mining profitable. Because if mining doesn't die with the halving, this S9 is going to make people a LOT of money.
May 31, 2016, 11:11:42 AM
Well done that is a heck of a increase in efficiency. I also really like that it looks like SD slot on it. Will it run on SD like S4/C1's did? Or is it just for recovery?
Can't wait to see these hitting the streets.
Can't wait to see these hitting the streets.
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