Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 44.

lentyna

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Quote from: The Demon Slick on February 01, 2018, 12:09:40 PM

Sold out again, just now. I'm in the US, northeast, can anybody lay out for me what additional expenses I can expect? Shipping, customs, etc. I read the thread, there's some conflicting information in there, especially the ups hostage taking thing, which I understand seems random, but the rest of it I'd love to see it laid out in simple terms. If anyone familiar has the time. Please and thank you.

You need PSU - $105
Shipping ~$140 per unit
Customs depends how many units you buy. If you buy under $2,500 should be no customs. Not sure how UPS charges but I paid ~$40 for 6 units as well as 1 unit (which was actually under $2,500). I think when you already in their system and it comes from the same location in China they will charge you even if it's under $2,500. Maybe somebody else had different experience?

The Demon Slick

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Sold out again, just now. I'm in the US, northeast, can anybody lay out for me what additional expenses I can expect? Shipping, customs, etc. I read the thread, there's some conflicting information in there, especially the ups hostage taking thing, which I understand seems random, but the rest of it I'd love to see it laid out in simple terms. If anyone familiar has the time. Please and thank you.

leowonderful

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Bitcoin FTW!

They could've already manufactured these miners beforehand and they're just planning to dump them all in March. Considering difficulty is continuing to skyrocket and the price continues to fall, Bitmain could be doing this to prepare for the launch of a new miner. All speculation though.

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Extremely curious to find out what their game plan is. Is it now a massive cash grab and them getting ready to shut down shop (extreme paranoia)? I don't get how they are going to ship tens of thousands of miners in March. L3+, multiple A3 batches, multiple S9 batches...

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Quote from: Apprentice on February 01, 2018, 08:01:39 AM

Quote from: albguy40 on February 01, 2018, 07:53:46 AM

Any of you guys notice they no longer have any Antminer S9s on the site? Just noticed this morning.

actually there is and is currently available for purchase

Everything is in stock! Shocked

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Quote from: albguy40 on February 01, 2018, 07:53:46 AM

Any of you guys notice they no longer have any Antminer S9s on the site? Just noticed this morning.

actually there is and is currently available for purchase

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Any of you guys notice they no longer have any Antminer S9s on the site? Just noticed this morning.

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Quote from: pnbamania on February 01, 2018, 06:22:34 AM

Quote from: Apprentice on February 01, 2018, 04:40:12 AM

Quote from: kodokbuduk on January 31, 2018, 11:59:38 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

S11 is on horizon I can smell it from here.

Yea true..i have strong feelinggggg Grin

Clock is ticking..

Samsung is the game now, a 16Ths miner.... Bitmain should have something under their sleeves!

16TH? Source?

The DragonMint 16T (allegedly)

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Quote from: Apprentice on February 01, 2018, 04:40:12 AM

Quote from: kodokbuduk on January 31, 2018, 11:59:38 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

S11 is on horizon I can smell it from here.

Yea true..i have strong feelinggggg Grin

Clock is ticking..

Samsung is the game now, a 16Ths miner.... Bitmain should have something under their sleeves!

16TH? Source?

Apprentice

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Quote from: kodokbuduk on January 31, 2018, 11:59:38 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

S11 is on horizon I can smell it from here.

Yea true..i have strong feelinggggg Grin

Clock is ticking..

Samsung is the game now, a 16Ths miner.... Bitmain should have something under their sleeves!

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Quote from: ?? on ??

S11 is on horizon I can smell it from here.

Yea true..i have strong feelinggggg Grin

Clock is ticking..

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Quote from: rifleman74 on January 31, 2018, 11:08:19 PM

Actually it is an argument against what you've put forward here, you just don't seem to grasp the concept yet. We'll wait for you to figure it out.

Well, if you believe that insults and unfounded allegations can serve as arguments in a discussion you have already lost.
In a discussion you bring facts, figures and evidence to the table if you want to make your case.
Especially if you want to make predictions about the future and/or question someone else's!

I'm sorry but I have seen none of this coming from your end of the table.

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4 s9's 2 821's

Quote from: rizla.plus on January 31, 2018, 10:31:03 PM

Quote from: rifleman74 on January 31, 2018, 10:17:35 PM

Anyone who doesn't do what I tell them to do is a "looser" yes spelled incorrectly for a reason. We see through your plan.

This is another emotional reaction with no real content or arguments against what I have put forward here.

I'm not telling anybody to do anything, I'm just pointing out what should be obvious.
Even without this spreadsheet, if you owned an S9 beginning of December as I did, the online calculators were predicting I'd make about 1BTC/year, if you look now it's half that! (which is in line with network hashrate doubling since then)

But back to my calculations.
Again, if you see any flaws or bad assumptions in what I am showing here, just point it out.
What you are doing is just making unfounded allegations.

I am not hiding or fudging anything, I have no "plan", but I am very willing to discuss what I am putting forward here related to the continuing (or lack there of) profitability of an S9 and whether you should really own one now and/or invest in one or more.

Actually it is an argument against what you've put forward here, you just don't seem to grasp the concept yet. We'll wait for you to figure it out.

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Quote from: rifleman74 on January 31, 2018, 10:17:35 PM

Anyone who doesn't do what I tell them to do is a "looser" yes spelled incorrectly for a reason. We see through your plan.

This is another emotional reaction with no real content or arguments against what I have put forward here.

I'm not telling anybody to do anything, I'm just pointing out what should be obvious.
Even without this spreadsheet, if you owned an S9 beginning of December as I did, the online calculators were predicting I'd make about 1BTC/year, if you look now it's half that! (which is in line with network hashrate doubling since then)

But back to my calculations.
Again, if you see any flaws or bad assumptions in what I am showing here, just point it out.
What you are doing is just making unfounded allegations.

I am not hiding or fudging anything, I have no "plan", but I am very willing to discuss what I am putting forward here related to the continuing (or lack there of) profitability of an S9 and whether you should really own one now and/or invest in one or more.

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Quote from: rizla.plus on January 31, 2018, 07:17:14 PM

Quote from: rifleman74 on January 31, 2018, 07:07:36 PM

You're assuming that BTC stays around this price level. Many of us miners, feel that that stance, is flawed.

Yeah I think I've explained that in the long discussion I had after that first post.
What I'm advocating for is selling your S9's now if you have them (and turning that money into BTC) or if you're about to buy one, don't, turn that money into BTC. Also, turn the money you would pay for power directly into BTC.
You'll be better off in the long run regardless of what BTC does as with the rate the network hashrate is growing, the amount of BTC your S9 will make is declining rapidly.

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You were smart to sell the miners though, no problems in recognizing a profit from these guys, whether it's by usage or selling them off. Kudos.

Thanks, I believe (and this is not based on numbers, just an educated guess), there will be a good opportunity to get back into the game in a few months time.
Either when new hardware is available and/or when all those March batch S9's have come online and soon after get taken down again because of non-profitability and start flooding Ebay. There will be bargains to be made.

Anyone who doesn't do what I tell them to do is a "looser" yes spelled incorrectly for a reason. We see through your plan.

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Quote from: VRobb on January 31, 2018, 08:15:54 PM

Your assumptions are weak at best, and unrealistic at worst. So your conclusions are useless and certainly not worthy of "I told you so"
More like "I hope so" Roll Eyes

/ignore for you genius. Cheesy

Back to on topic discussion: can't wait to dump my BitCH coin and get another S9! Tongue

I have no skin in the mining game anymore,
But you obviously do, hence you’re reacting emotionally and ignoring the numbers.
If there is a flaw in my calculations or I’m basing them on wrong assumptions, please point this out specifically rather than make unfounded assertions/allegations, the spreadsheet is still available to download and what I’ve done is pretty straightforward.

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I'm in BTC XTC

Your assumptions are weak at best, and unrealistic at worst. So your conclusions are useless and certainly not worthy of "I told you so"
More like "I hope so" Roll Eyes

/ignore for you genius. Cheesy

Back to on topic discussion: can't wait to dump my BitCH coin and get another S9! Tongue

rizla.plus

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Quote from: Emkoo on January 31, 2018, 07:44:18 PM

Why are you still posting this everywhere? I don't get it. Did you build a huge farm somewhere and now you are trying to convince people not to buy miners because you made some random numbers (yes, for me its random numbers - nobody can know what the price and difficulty will be year from now)? Whats your point? Do you really think that people will stop mining/buying miners because of you made some "predictions" ?

Because I like to say "I told you so". Grin

But seriously, if you look at what I posted, they are not "predictions" they are a best case scenario, worst case scenario and current trend scenario.
I'm just pointing out that what is happening is far worse than my original "worst case scenario".

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Quote from: rizla.plus on January 31, 2018, 06:21:50 PM

So for those of you still throwing yourselves on the “opportunity” every time Bitmain throws another batch of S9’s on the market.

Why are you still posting this everywhere? I don't get it. Did you build a huge farm somewhere and now you are trying to convince people not to buy miners because you made some random numbers (yes, for me its random numbers - nobody can know what the price and difficulty will be year from now)? Whats your point? Do you really think that people will stop mining/buying miners because of you made some "predictions" ?

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Quote from: VRobb on January 31, 2018, 07:21:01 PM

Neither of which was proposed better than the other in my reply... but I will say I do both!
Mine, and invest, on! Cool

Yeah, well,
I'm in the 'suspend mining but keep investing for now camp'.
The forecasts I've shared here demonstrate only negative profitability in mining

Edit (to keeps this on topic): the above statement assumes you're mining with S9's, who knows what Bitmain & Bitfury have in their farms.

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