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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 41. (Read 531067 times)

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You can bank on difficulty rising. Even if btc price goes back to 20k, its a stretch to ever roi on a newly purchased s9


You really shouldn't say stuff like this, if you aren't careful someone might believe you even though you are 100% wrong.

People used to say that about the s7s all the time. An s7 at 10c power was profitable until about 3 days ago....the s9 will be making money for a long time to come.

Ok, say I am wrong, and someone listened and didnt waste their money. It's not like offering FA, or investment advice of any sort.

Profitable versus ever returning investment money IS NOT THE SAME THING. Spending ~2.5k and waiting till march is more or less an absolutely horrible idea.
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You can bank on difficulty rising. Even if btc price goes back to 20k, its a stretch to ever roi on a newly purchased s9


You really shouldn't say stuff like this, if you aren't careful someone might believe you even though you are 100% wrong.

People used to say that about the s7s all the time. An s7 at 10c power was profitable until about 3 days ago....the s9 will be making money for a long time to come.
jr. member
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7.4 months with no diff adj factored. Its not hard math man. It's going down much faster than people realize.( profitibilty) 10-15% loss per month, compounding.

Could things change? Yes sure. China miners could die off for a month or two, all miners with high costs could shut off, and a few other factors.

Diff going up is a fairly constant thing for the next little bit, and an s9 purchased for march delivery will get smoked on roi-ability, even with free electric.
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Last week ROI on an S9 purchased on shitmain's website was slightly less than a year at .10/kWh. Today, it's over 400 days which essentially means never as difficulty is still rising and bitcoin is still falling. At this rate, it won't even pay to turn on an S9. I guess all the manufacturers pushed their prices high up so they could squeeze the last bit of profit from us miners before the crash.

I don't know how you're running the numbers, but they're wrong. First of all the ROI of an S9 is not anywhere near as long as 400 days, even with bitcoin doing so poorly recently, so that says something right there, that it can keep being profitable even in this environment. Second of all - assuming the difficulty keeps rising and the price of bitcoin keeps falling - yes, the S9 would not make a good investment. However the truth of the matter is that you can't see the future any more or less than the rest of us. You don't know if the price of bitcoin will keep falling, or if it will rise, or what the difficulty will do, etc. If you believe in bitcoin and believe it will make a comeback (which history tells us it will), then you don't base your numbers off today, but what you expect them to be in the future, especially with something as volatile as bitcoin.


You can bank on difficulty rising. Even if btc price goes back to 20k, its a stretch to ever roi on a newly purchased S9

Right now an S9 hits ROI in 224 days, or 7.4 months. With the price of bitcoin down 57% in one month and difficulty on the rise, the S9 still pays itself off in 7.4 months, and you want to sit there and tell me that even if the price goes back to 20k it would be a stretch to ever roi?

Are you and everyone else who keeps saying this on drugs?
jr. member
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Last week ROI on an S9 purchased on shitmain's website was slightly less than a year at .10/kWh. Today, it's over 400 days which essentially means never as difficulty is still rising and bitcoin is still falling. At this rate, it won't even pay to turn on an S9. I guess all the manufacturers pushed their prices high up so they could squeeze the last bit of profit from us miners before the crash.

I don't know how you're running the numbers, but they're wrong. First of all the ROI of an S9 is not anywhere near as long as 400 days, even with bitcoin doing so poorly recently, so that says something right there, that it can keep being profitable even in this environment. Second of all - assuming the difficulty keeps rising and the price of bitcoin keeps falling - yes, the S9 would not make a good investment. However the truth of the matter is that you can't see the future any more or less than the rest of us. You don't know if the price of bitcoin will keep falling, or if it will rise, or what the difficulty will do, etc. If you believe in bitcoin and believe it will make a comeback (which history tells us it will), then you don't base your numbers off today, but what you expect them to be in the future, especially with something as volatile as bitcoin.


You can bank on difficulty rising. Even if btc price goes back to 20k, its a stretch to ever roi on a newly purchased s9
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if BTC trade within the $7k it is highly likely to drop to $5k
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Last week ROI on an S9 purchased on shitmain's website was slightly less than a year at .10/kWh. Today, it's over 400 days which essentially means never as difficulty is still rising and bitcoin is still falling. At this rate, it won't even pay to turn on an S9. I guess all the manufacturers pushed their prices high up so they could squeeze the last bit of profit from us miners before the crash.

I don't know how you're running the numbers, but they're wrong. First of all the ROI of an S9 is not anywhere near as long as 400 days, even with bitcoin doing so poorly recently, so that says something right there, that it can keep being profitable even in this environment. Second of all - assuming the difficulty keeps rising and the price of bitcoin keeps falling - yes, the S9 would not make a good investment. However the truth of the matter is that you can't see the future any more or less than the rest of us. You don't know if the price of bitcoin will keep falling, or if it will rise, or what the difficulty will do, etc. If you believe in bitcoin and believe it will make a comeback (which history tells us it will), then you don't base your numbers off today, but what you expect them to be in the future, especially with something as volatile as bitcoin.


This is wishful thinking.
BTC value cannot be forecast but you can make some pretty good predictions about total network hashrate and difficulty, I’ve shared mine on various occasions in this thread and even the best case scenarios don’t show an S9 to be a good investment currently, worst case scenario shows the S9 to be money down the drain.
It’s been over a month since I built those forecast and so far the total network hashrate is growing even faster than my original worst case scenario. That should tell you something.
Anyway, you can find the work a few pages back in this thread, check it out.
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4 s9's 2 821's
Maybe Bitmain knew about the drop in crypto coins and wanted to sell off all of the S9's at higher prices....would be very very cheap now if they kept it pegged to BCH/BCC.
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Hello, my name is Brady and I'm working on building a GPU farm and was looking to see if I could get some help. I'm going to be making rigs that would have at max 19 GTX 1080ti's on a ASUS B250 mining board, in one unit (assuming that this would be the most cost-efficient rig to build) and was looking to see how many rigs with these specs could run off a 30 amp breaker, or if we would need to put in a higher output breaker (assuming that the power is 120votts of AC).
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Last week ROI on an S9 purchased on shitmain's website was slightly less than a year at .10/kWh. Today, it's over 400 days which essentially means never as difficulty is still rising and bitcoin is still falling. At this rate, it won't even pay to turn on an S9. I guess all the manufacturers pushed their prices high up so they could squeeze the last bit of profit from us miners before the crash.

I don't know how you're running the numbers, but they're wrong. First of all the ROI of an S9 is not anywhere near as long as 400 days, even with bitcoin doing so poorly recently, so that says something right there, that it can keep being profitable even in this environment. Second of all - assuming the difficulty keeps rising and the price of bitcoin keeps falling - yes, the S9 would not make a good investment. However the truth of the matter is that you can't see the future any more or less than the rest of us. You don't know if the price of bitcoin will keep falling, or if it will rise, or what the difficulty will do, etc. If you believe in bitcoin and believe it will make a comeback (which history tells us it will), then you don't base your numbers off today, but what you expect them to be in the future, especially with something as volatile as bitcoin.
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Last week ROI on an S9 purchased on shitmain's website was slightly less than a year at .10/kWh. Today, it's over 400 days which essentially means never as difficulty is still rising and bitcoin is still falling. At this rate, it won't even pay to turn on an S9. I guess all the manufacturers pushed their prices high up so they could squeeze the last bit of profit from us miners before the crash.
sr. member
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S9 March batch is shipping!!

My March order still says unshipped Sad
newbie
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I have $125 coupons I can't even use on shitmains website. Checkout says I don't have any coupons even tho they are listed in my settings. I emailed them twice over a week ago and still no response. What good are coupons if you can't use them?
full member
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What is the going rate for $125 Bitmain coupons? I have 12 of them that I'm willing to get rid of.

whats the expiration date on the coupons?

June 30th
sr. member
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What is the going rate for $125 Bitmain coupons? I have 12 of them that I'm willing to get rid of.

whats the expiration date on the coupons?
full member
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What is the going rate for $125 Bitmain coupons? I have 12 of them that I'm willing to get rid of.
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S9s will be mining at a loss around June. Roi is approaching never very quickly at current btc prices.

BUT people are still buying each batch S9 released by bitmain with almost double price..CRAZY

Electricity in my country is less than 0.005$ kw/h. Some ppl will always profit...

At 0.005, there should be a limit to the amount of electricity u can use. Otherwise, your government is basically subsidizing u heavily. That means your profit is their loss.
jr. member
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S9s will be mining at a loss around June. Roi is approaching never very quickly at current btc prices.

BUT people are still buying each batch S9 released by bitmain with almost double price..CRAZY

Electricity in my country is less than 0.005$ kw/h. Some ppl will always profit...
full member
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S9 March batch is shipping!!

My Feb Batch isn't shipped??

got the notification yesterday, was surprised!

I have a order for shipping end of feb
One more March 11-20 I hope they get shipped too
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Is anyone able to login and check the tickets? it has been down since around 4 days!
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