Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 57.

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Can someone explain me how USD wire transfers works? can i pay that with visa card or what?

It is easy, you can try to buy the PSU right now with wire transfer, just to test how it goes.
Go to the website and do the regular order, then on payment option choose "Bank Transfer"
Then on order completion, the system will give you bank details and you have 7 days to wire them from your bank.
See the screenshot:

https://www.screencast.com/t/xboJ0vIObi

Ty for that one more question.

After i complete order and and chose payment medot via wire transfer (i mean i have 7 days to make payment), at that point is my order guaranteed or i can lose it if someone make quicker payment than me.

Usually, at least from experience when trading with other online shops - if you shop with wire transfer, you are supposed to have online banking i.e. do it online (not go to the bank). So it means that you can wire the money instantly (even faster than doing the bitcoin payment - yeeeei) and send bitmain a screenshot that your bank wire is done. I guess this would guarantee your spot for sure.

Some online backing transfers does not have a field to type the order ID and to pay for the fees.

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Quote from: kobo_eth on January 16, 2018, 06:35:39 AM

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Can someone explain me how USD wire transfers works? can i pay that with visa card or what?

It is easy, you can try to buy the PSU right now with wire transfer, just to test how it goes.
Go to the website and do the regular order, then on payment option choose "Bank Transfer"
Then on order completion, the system will give you bank details and you have 7 days to wire them from your bank.
See the screenshot:

https://www.screencast.com/t/xboJ0vIObi

Ty for that one more question.

After i complete order and and chose payment medot via wire transfer (i mean i have 7 days to make payment), at that point is my order guaranteed or i can lose it if someone make quicker payment than me.

Usually, at least from experience when trading with other online shops - if you shop with wire transfer, you are supposed to have online banking i.e. do it online (not go to the bank). So it means that you can wire the money instantly (even faster than doing the bitcoin payment - yeeeei) and send bitmain a screenshot that your bank wire is done. I guess this would guarantee your spot for sure.

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Can someone explain me how USD wire transfers works? can i pay that with visa card or what?

It is easy, you can try to buy the PSU right now with wire transfer, just to test how it goes.
Go to the website and do the regular order, then on payment option choose "Bank Transfer"
Then on order completion, the system will give you bank details and you have 7 days to wire them from your bank.
See the screenshot:

https://www.screencast.com/t/xboJ0vIObi

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Can someone explain me how USD wire transfers works? can i pay that with visa card or what?

geeee... you just go to your bank (or online) and transfer the money from your account to the given account Huh

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Quote from: pnbamania on January 16, 2018, 04:59:55 AM

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Quote from: Apprentice on January 16, 2018, 04:53:03 AM

Quote from: Turbo2 on January 16, 2018, 04:50:58 AM

Quote from: symphony X on January 16, 2018, 04:41:39 AM

so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

Same....kept trying for like 10min but always same message now they are all sold out. But probably for the better? Because;

1) Price in December was $1425 per unit....Now 1 month later $2350?? +$900....How/why did that happen?

2) New miners are probably coming out soon given this model has been in production for a long time already....

The 1/3rd higher price also means longer to ROI.

Refreshed the page and strangely the order came through!

Now I have extra miner that I wasn't planning to buy Grin

Same here...placed an order for 4 - got through the checkout and got a blank page saying "username [email protected] does not exist".

Checked my order status page and boom, there it was.

No no - 2 pages after that.

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Quote from: ricknamer on January 16, 2018, 04:54:50 AM

Quote from: Apprentice on January 16, 2018, 04:53:03 AM

Quote from: Turbo2 on January 16, 2018, 04:50:58 AM

Quote from: symphony X on January 16, 2018, 04:41:39 AM

so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

Same....kept trying for like 10min but always same message now they are all sold out. But probably for the better? Because;

1) Price in December was $1425 per unit....Now 1 month later $2350?? +$900....How/why did that happen?

2) New miners are probably coming out soon given this model has been in production for a long time already....

The 1/3rd higher price also means longer to ROI.

Refreshed the page and strangely the order came through!

Now I have extra miner that I wasn't planning to buy Grin

Same here...placed an order for 4 - got through the checkout and got a blank page saying "username [email protected] does not exist".

Checked my order status page and boom, there it was.

ricknamer

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Quote from: Apprentice on January 16, 2018, 04:53:03 AM

Quote from: Turbo2 on January 16, 2018, 04:50:58 AM

Quote from: symphony X on January 16, 2018, 04:41:39 AM

so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

Same....kept trying for like 10min but always same message now they are all sold out. But probably for the better? Because;

1) Price in December was $1425 per unit....Now 1 month later $2350?? +$900....How/why did that happen?

2) New miners are probably coming out soon given this model has been in production for a long time already....

The 1/3rd higher price also means longer to ROI.

Refreshed the page and strangely the order came through!

Now I have extra miner that I wasn't planning to buy Grin

Same here...placed an order for 4 - got through the checkout and got a blank page saying "username [email protected] does not exist".

Checked my order status page and boom, there it was.

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Quote from: Turbo2 on January 16, 2018, 04:50:58 AM

Quote from: symphony X on January 16, 2018, 04:41:39 AM

so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

Same....kept trying for like 10min but always same message now they are all sold out. But probably for the better? Because;

1) Price in December was $1425 per unit....Now 1 month later $2350?? +$900....How/why did that happen?

2) New miners are probably coming out soon given this model has been in production for a long time already....

The 1/3rd higher price also means longer to ROI.

Refreshed the page and strangely the order came through!

Now I have extra miner that I wasn't planning to buy Grin

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unfortunately so. well, back to waiting for newer ASICs then.

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Quote from: symphony X on January 16, 2018, 04:41:39 AM

so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

Same....kept trying for like 10min but always same message and now they are all sold out. But probably for the better? Because;

1) Price in December was $1425 per unit....Now 1 month later $2350?? +$900....How/why did that happen?

2) New miners are probably coming out soon given this model has been in production for a long time already....

The 1/3rd higher price also means longer to ROI. Thanks Bitmain website, you saved me from myself Grin

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Quote from: symphony X on January 16, 2018, 04:41:39 AM

so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

sold out

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Quote from: Druiz287 on January 16, 2018, 04:30:36 AM

The only thing I’m getting from this last batch is that people are queuing with instructions to please try it later. I hope both the site and BTC rebound after that huge drop earlier. You’d think people would be more hesitant to buy miners with expected difficulty raises and the next generation hardware around the corner, but even with this recent drop in BTC/USD value it’s difficult to get another s9!

yeah, reached the submit page many times and it never went through!!

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so I managed to add 4 units on my cart then suddenly on the checkout page it says "people are queuing, please try again later", stuck on that page atm Angry

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The only thing I’m getting from this last batch is that people are queuing with instructions to please try it later. I hope both the site and BTC rebound after that huge drop earlier. You’d think people would be more hesitant to buy miners with expected difficulty raises and the next generation hardware around the corner, but even with this recent drop in BTC/USD value it’s difficult to get another s9!

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Quote from: Apprentice on January 15, 2018, 11:16:50 PM

Quote from: munchies859 on January 15, 2018, 11:12:43 PM

Managed to get two, one L3 and one S9. My business partner was trying at the same time, and it looked like the L3s sold out in like 5 seconds. I know the ROI for the L3 is worse now, but I wanted to be diversified incase things change, and the L3s ship in 10 days rather than 2 months. Buying ASICs these days is crazy though. Even a few months ago they didn't sell out even close to instantly. The difficulty will only rise from here, but if the China mining ban happens it should hopefully give the rest of us a reprieve at least as long as it takes to move and set up shop somewhere else.

They are already moving..

Sure, but no one is expecting everyone to move at the exact same time. The Chinese government is supposedly shutting it down in an orderly manner, meaning not all at once. Still though, regardless of when they move, you can't just move a mining operation overnight. This is the same for any business moving across international borders. Unless they are moving to some place that is lawless, all the equipment they ship will need to clear customs. They also need to set up new infrastructure, which is not trivial or cheap. Then, they need to either hire new people to run everything or get work visas for themselves. They had a real good thing going in China, but if the government is serious in stopping it, they either need to spend a significant amount of money to move or close up shop. Also, if they move to Europe or North America, they will face new regulatory scrutiny that they may not be accustomed to. While these guys have plenty of money, it is still a speed bump for them that everyone else could capitalize on.

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Quote from: Par Avion on January 15, 2018, 11:57:06 PM

Current rough profitability of s9 is? (post last diff adj)

Managed to snag my second miner. First should ship any day.

https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator

Just enter 13500 hash rate and 1400W power consumption

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Current rough profitability of s9 is? (post last diff adj)

Managed to snag my second miner. First should ship any day.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 11:22:57 PM

Buy just 1 have it break and see how you get treated.

Now that is an entirely different matter of course, this is like saying you're actually buying a different product when you buy more as the service level changes, so now you're not comparing apples with apples.

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Quote from: CrypotoCreanis on January 15, 2018, 11:09:37 PM

Quote from: rizla.plus on January 15, 2018, 11:04:11 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 10:59:03 PM

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Quote from: rizla.plus on January 15, 2018, 10:39:21 PM

Anybody else think this is just crazy?! I can't see how you would ever get your money back buying miners now that will be delivered in March.
I just sold my beloved S9 on Ebay (with good profit), as difficulty/hashrate is going up exponentially and BTCUSD exchange rate is not following as it was a month ago. Not saying that won't pick up again but it would need a huge kick in the bum to make up for all the miners coming online in Jan/Feb/March.

It's true what they say:
"When there's a gold rush, sell picks and shovels"...

this might be true but if you already have few miners, probably 6 or more, you can keep on adding up more miners from profit and to keep up with the difficulty.
but just buying 1 miner is not reasonable unless it is for fun and you have the $

That does not make sense.
ROI on 6 would not be different from ROI on one.
Unless I am missing something, this remains linear.

Agreed

you are missing breakage issues.

1 unit dead controller = 100% hash lost

6 units 1 dead controller = 16 ⅔ % hash lost

over time you will get dead units.. so having 3 or more allows swapping stuff. having only 1 does not.

I'm still not getting it I think, you are buying miners to run correct? Not for spares?
If you buy one now, all that matters is over what time frame those units will pay themselves back.
Whether you have other units running already and whether they can break has nothing to do with your this investment.

If you only have 1 miner and it breaks (and they do) - then you have no mining
If you have more than 1 and 1 breaks, you are still mining

So? lose 1 and you lose 13.5TH. Ignore difficulty increases for a second:

Say they make you $30/day, when 1 breaks you lose $30/day regardless of having 1 or 20 running.
Now if you invested $2300 in that miner you will be paying back $30/day less towards that investment.

Yes you could say that with miners still running that you are still paying back the entire investment, only slower.
But that means the extra time it takes is valued proportionally as it will now take longer for you to start making a profit.
Lets make it easy: say you have 2 running, at the numbers above they pay back in 75 days (almost).
Lets take the extreme case and say one breaks straight away, the other one now has to run 150 days to recover the total cost of the investment before you can actually start making a profit at $30/day.
This is no different from ordering another unit at that point (ignoring lead time to make it easy), have it run 75 days and pay itself back, you will have lost the cost of 1 unit ($2300) on day 75 in both cases.
Like I said this is linear.

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Quote from: rizla.plus on January 15, 2018, 11:04:11 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 15, 2018, 10:59:03 PM

Quote from: CrypotoCreanis on January 15, 2018, 10:54:44 PM

Quote from: rizla.plus on January 15, 2018, 10:47:56 PM

Quote from: Apprentice on January 15, 2018, 10:43:10 PM

Quote from: rizla.plus on January 15, 2018, 10:39:21 PM

Anybody else think this is just crazy?! I can't see how you would ever get your money back buying miners now that will be delivered in March.
I just sold my beloved S9 on Ebay (with good profit), as difficulty/hashrate is going up exponentially and BTCUSD exchange rate is not following as it was a month ago. Not saying that won't pick up again but it would need a huge kick in the bum to make up for all the miners coming online in Jan/Feb/March.

It's true what they say:
"When there's a gold rush, sell picks and shovels"...

this might be true but if you already have few miners, probably 6 or more, you can keep on adding up more miners from profit and to keep up with the difficulty.
but just buying 1 miner is not reasonable unless it is for fun and you have the $

That does not make sense.
ROI on 6 would not be different from ROI on one.
Unless I am missing something, this remains linear.

Agreed

you are missing breakage issues.

1 unit dead controller = 100% hash lost

6 units 1 dead controller = 16 ⅔ % hash lost

over time you will get dead units.. so having 3 or more allows swapping stuff. having only 1 does not.

I'm still not getting it I think, you are buying miners to run correct? Not for spares?
If you buy miners now, all that matters is over what time frame those units will pay themselves back.
Whether you have other units running already and whether they can break has nothing to do with your this investment.

okay buy a miner and break the controller you are at zero for a really long time. maybe 60 days before you get a part.

I have 2 miners I break a controller for that miner I am at 0% but for my other miner I am at 100%

cost avg of 0% + 100% = 50%

to carry it further

I stay at 50% for 2 years because I never get the replacement part.
you stay at 0% for 2 year because you never get the replacement part.

that reality happens with mining gear over and over and over.

why is that replacement parts and rma's are very much a fuck you blow me bitch concept for smaller miners.

I have purchased 100,000 in gear from bitmain since dec 2013 that gets me a little better service. I actually can email a guy from bitmainwarranty and get an answer.

Buy just 1 have it break and see how you get treated.

BTW 100,000 in gear in 4+ years does not get me top notch treatment.
100,000 in gear a month does. which would be 50x what I spend.

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