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Topic: Bitminter bitcoin mining pool - shutdown mining 2020-07-01 website 2021-06-01 - page 84. (Read 325004 times)

sr. member
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I had an interesting day loosing a shift. Power was out for 4-6 hours in the morning, and then my power supply decided to smoke out. Thankfully the UPS killed the power and saved the miner, after a capacitor blew open. Hopefully I can get the shifts back in order before anything else happens. These short shifts are quite unnerving to me. Need luck here, lots.
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I try not to mine at 0, but occasionally do when my rig is rented out.  I'd had a rather effective strategy with the longer shifts of compensating for that by throwing a lot more effort at the pool to make up for times when I was at 0, with that extra work pulling in enough to cover the cost plus a little extra.  Now, with the shorter shifts, that's more of a gamble.  If you put a lot of work into an unlucky period, not being able to sustain it means it will go unpaid (conversely, putting in a lot of extra work just before a lucky period would be freaking awesome).

Here's an example.  We hit one block when my dance card was partially filled at 12TH.  But now, it's cleared itself and I'm back down to .9.



I can understand your feelings and I have mentioned before the same things.  But as The Doc has pointed out the law of averages should prevail

Hey Doc as a feature why not show a graph/user what they have earned and compare it to the btc/day/thash type of thing.  This way each user could see how much they are making. This should give a good perspective oh how much users are earning/site averages.  It should also show how great a week last week was with all the lucky blocks.

To those who rent, renting it is a gamble.  More now than before but if you hit them right you can get great returns for not a lot of btc.

Thanks

Fahlcor
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I try not to mine at 0, but occasionally do when my rig is rented out.  I'd had a rather effective strategy with the longer shifts of compensating for that by throwing a lot more effort at the pool to make up for times when I was at 0, with that extra work pulling in enough to cover the cost plus a little extra.  Now, with the shorter shifts, that's more of a gamble.  If you put a lot of work into an unlucky period, not being able to sustain it means it will go unpaid (conversely, putting in a lot of extra work just before a lucky period would be freaking awesome).

Here's an example.  We hit one block when my dance card was partially filled at 12TH.  But now, it's cleared itself and I'm back down to .9.

https://i.imgur.com/3GKCHEJl.png
legendary
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Needs more jiggawatts
For 24/7 miners, if you have x% of the hashrate then you are getting x% of the coins. You are earning the same coins as before. The payouts also happen at the same time as before. For you nothing has changed. When we find a block the payout to your account is the same as before.

For part time miners, if you mine 1 hour and leave the chance is now higher that you get extremely high pay or extremely low (even zero) pay. If we get more pool hashpower in the future then the shifts will be extended again to reduce the luck factor for part time miners.

If you mine 24/7 and you think zero pay shifts are hurting you, why do you think that? Isn't the important thing that you get the same pay as always? Do you really care that the calculations have changed, if they always produce the same numbers for you as before?
legendary
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Not enjoying the new shift change.  With long blocks, it's too easy for a large amount of work to fall off the payable list. 

With the longer shifts, you weren't really missing out on anything - you got paid for your work. It certainly took longer to fill the full dance card, but the risk of unpaid work was quite low.

If you're a regular miner it has no impact on your average reward.  Some shares will go unpaid in long blocks, but the shares that do get paid get more per share.  The same amount of BTC goes out to miners in the end.
sr. member
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newbie
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Not enjoying the new shift change.  With long blocks, it's too easy for a large amount of work to fall off the payable list. 

With the longer shifts, you weren't really missing out on anything - you got paid for your work. It certainly took longer to fill the full dance card, but the risk of unpaid work was quite low.
sr. member
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Socket connect failed: Connection refused"

I guess something happened my end then. Maybe my Internet router playing up or the network cable fell out. I'll have to investigate more.  Roll Eyes

Did you make any firewall changes?

The connection refused is not coming from the Bitminter server.


No changes my end. Just rebooted the router and it's working again. Must just been running so long it's ran out of memory or something.
Thanks for the reply. Grin

One of our miners dropped connection temporarily as well.  All seems fine now.
hero member
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Socket connect failed: Connection refused"

I guess something happened my end then. Maybe my Internet router playing up or the network cable fell out. I'll have to investigate more.  Roll Eyes

Did you make any firewall changes?

The connection refused is not coming from the Bitminter server.


No changes my end. Just rebooted the router and it's working again. Must just been running so long it's ran out of memory or something.
Thanks for the reply. Grin
legendary
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Needs more jiggawatts
Socket connect failed: Connection refused"

I guess something happened my end then. Maybe my Internet router playing up or the network cable fell out. I'll have to investigate more.  Roll Eyes

Did you make any firewall changes?

The connection refused is not coming from the Bitminter server.
hero member
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Anyone having problems with Bitminter?
Website is fine and I can ping mint.bitminter.com but my miners are not getting any work.  Huh

Everything looks fine on this end. Are you unable to connect to stratum on port 3333?


Has been working fine for nearly a year then just died.
I just checked my CGMiner logs and got this

"[Firmware Version] => 20140729
cgminer: 4_3_4_07c5700
Socket connect failed: Connection refused"

I guess something happened my end then. Maybe my Internet router playing up or the network cable fell out. I'll have to investigate more.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Anyone having problems with Bitminter?
Website is fine and I can ping mint.bitminter.com but my miners are not getting any work.  Huh

Everything looks fine on this end. Are you unable to connect to stratum on port 3333?
hero member
Activity: 490
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Anyone having problems with Bitminter?
Website is fine and I can ping mint.bitminter.com but my miners are not getting any work.  Huh
legendary
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Doc, if you're looking for other improvements to make to the site it might be nice to have a date and time stamp on when blocks are found / solved.  There is a "Time" column in the latest blocks section of the full sized live stats but I can never figure out when (the date) blocks were mined.  I know there are other resources to keep track of this but that is one small and easy to fix area that could use a little tweak.

https://bitminter.com/blocks

You'll find the full date and time of each block found.

Fahlcor, Thanks I totally forgot this this was on the site.

You're welcome Tongue
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Doc, if you're looking for other improvements to make to the site it might be nice to have a date and time stamp on when blocks are found / solved.  There is a "Time" column in the latest blocks section of the full sized live stats but I can never figure out when (the date) blocks were mined.  I know there are other resources to keep track of this but that is one small and easy to fix area that could use a little tweak.

https://bitminter.com/blocks

You'll find the full date and time of each block found.

Fahlcor, Thanks I totally forgot this this was on the site.
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Refresh my memory of the colors.  Green is ?  Grey is Coin flip luck? Red is bad meaning it is taking longer than expected?  Like at what percentage would we have searched an entire block worth?  Does it go above 100?

Green is CDF from just above 0% to 33%. Black is from 33% to 66%. And red is CDF from 66% to just below 100%.

CDF at X% means that in X% of cases we would have found 1 or more blocks with this amount of work at this difficulty.

CDF never reaches 100%. As time approaches infinity, CDF approaches 100%. CDF can also never be 0%. That would mean we found a block with an amount of work that can never find a block.

You are never certain to find a block. Ever. Just like you are never guaranteed to win the lottery, no matter how many times you play.

It could happen that bitcoin just stops right now and noone at any pool ever finds another block. It just isn't very likely. The chance that all the hashpower in the world finds one or more blocks in a week's time is something like 99.999999999999999%. Exercise for the reader: find the actual chance, instead of just putting in lots of nines like I did.

But it's never 100% certain. Not even with a hashpower of 100 yottahashes per second mining for 100 years.


Yep clear as mud.

I know on coinwarz it shows how long it would take to solve a block  at a set hashrate if you were to hash the entire thing.  Would this not make more sense as a % if anything to show based on the sites current hashrate.  This would show that on a difficult block that we had done the effort of say 200% to solve that one block.

Thanks

legendary
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Needs more jiggawatts
Refresh my memory of the colors.  Green is ?  Grey is Coin flip luck? Red is bad meaning it is taking longer than expected?  Like at what percentage would we have searched an entire block worth?  Does it go above 100?

Green is CDF from just above 0% to 33%. Black is from 33% to 66%. And red is CDF from 66% to just below 100%.

CDF at X% means that in X% of cases we would have found 1 or more blocks with this amount of work at this difficulty.

CDF never reaches 100%. As time approaches infinity, CDF approaches 100%. CDF can also never be 0%. That would mean we found a block with an amount of work that can never find a block.

You are never certain to find a block. Ever. Just like you are never guaranteed to win the lottery, no matter how many times you play.

It could happen that bitcoin just stops right now and noone at any pool ever finds another block. It just isn't very likely. The chance that all the hashpower in the world finds one or more blocks in a week's time is something like 99.999999999999999%. Exercise for the reader: find the actual chance, instead of just putting in lots of nines like I did.

But it's never 100% certain. Not even with a hashpower of 100 yottahashes per second mining for 100 years.
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9 lucky blocks in a row. 2-3 of them very lucky. That's pretty good. Smiley

Doc,
I'd like to see how all of those measures if possible.  The one that I think I'll enjoy most is "Pay per billion proofs-of-work (shares) e.g.0.20561798 BTC".  Maybe you could set it up like the Live Stats.  Something lite and then another option that shows you everything. 

I also think it would be helpful if you could incorporate someone's exchange rate.  I'm particular the exchange rates that are based on a few different exchanges but anything would be useful.  It would knock off another bitcoin related item that I have to go elsewhere to see.

Hmm, maybe I should make it possible to switch the shift payout display so you can choose.

I'll look into adding some bitcoin price info.


Refresh my memory of the colors.  Green is ?  Grey is Coin flip luck? Red is bad meaning it is taking longer than expected?  Like at what percentage would we have searched an entire block worth?  Does it go above 100?

or just link me if this is already somewhere.

Thanks
legendary
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https://gliph.me/hUF
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I'll look into adding some bitcoin price info.

May I suggest bitcoinaverage.com  They integrate openexchangerates.org which means local currencies are automatically calculated. For our Icelandic miner friends for example Smiley
https://bitcoinaverage.com/api
legendary
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9 lucky blocks in a row. 2-3 of them very lucky. That's pretty good. Smiley

Doc,
I'd like to see how all of those measures if possible.  The one that I think I'll enjoy most is "Pay per billion proofs-of-work (shares) e.g.0.20561798 BTC".  Maybe you could set it up like the Live Stats.  Something lite and then another option that shows you everything. 

I also think it would be helpful if you could incorporate someone's exchange rate.  I'm particular the exchange rates that are based on a few different exchanges but anything would be useful.  It would knock off another bitcoin related item that I have to go elsewhere to see.

Hmm, maybe I should make it possible to switch the shift payout display so you can choose.

I'll look into adding some bitcoin price info.
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