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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 172. (Read 787050 times)

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Geek
I have an early order number #207 at BA for a single X1. I have asked to send mine caseless ASAP

sr. member
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i also contacted them asking for one X1 - caseless. I have 30 units ordered.  Kiss

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I have requested 1 of my X-1 units sent without a case.  They said that they would do this, so if it is sent, we have nothing to worry about, if this request is ignored...Well that opens another can of worms.  I will keep you all posted.
Awesome, did they give a ship out date?

Well, I got a reply from Minersource.  They will not break out my order of multiple X-1's and have just a single X-1 sent for testing purposes.  I have asked if I could order another X-1 (even though they are super overpriced and it would be a great loss to me but I'll do it to test if they are real), and have it immediately sent without a case.  Will see what they say.

Did they give you the option to take ALL your X-1s without cases?
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cheers debit
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So much proof It has to be a scam they have had 2 bosses from 2 distributors visit in the last 2 weeks and neither has said it's a scam.
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Has everyone read the scam thread? It is starting to raise my concerns a little bit more that if things don't work well they will just vanish during the night.

Where is this scam thread?

And that is something i have feared now for a few months... I'm actually expecting them to just up and vanish, after all of this cluster f*ck I dont expect to ever see my X1's, I'll be shocked if they actually pull through.
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What scam thread is that.
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After the progress update of BA  from the 22 of may I feel sad.

Dont think they will make it under two- three weeks.

WAF Angry
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That was messed up... but hilarious...
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They asked do you you want fried rice with that Smiley

Couldn't resist it sorry Tongue
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@blackarrow,
Dear sir,
so you finally putout your terms and conditions?which is absolutely unfair to customer...
please read this, I also pm and email you:
1.to buy bitcoin for investment is one thing,if I buy a high price,that's my problem,so i should take responsibility for that myself.besides, i can wait a suitable price to sell or not sell at all.that depends on market.
buy your miner is another.you promise ship to me on the end of Feb.but until now,I got nothing.what?it seems I should take responsibility for that?when customer buy something that even not got it at all,they have no right to request a refund?remember I am the customer ,not your investor!

2.Of course I want get my miner as soon as possible. in bitcoin, we all know mining earlier can make more profit.what?I should buy your products and wait a few years not get it? the price of miner keep dropping,diff for bitcoin keep increasing..what?I shall be very calm down like this is not my business and happy to see that?

3.Understanding is for each other...I know you are in a bad situation,but so do I,I also buy a miner in BITMINE.they also messed up.and I compare they to you and other miner sell company in china like bitmain. said you even do a better job in these days.you kept updating news and increasing compensation.it seems fair on that time ,and told us can start shipping on May frist.but with the time passing we all know the compensations are not enough. I even be excite when you succeed on your chips. but now,what I should say? Bitmine can accept refund at least .  
4.it's shame for you to put out your unfair terms and conditions. check Bitmine's .it seems a little fair in someway. this reflect confidence on their company.I am not sure if I am right for I said you did better job than Bitmine now.besides and most important is: it's legal or not on your terms or conditions may depends...In China your business like this may be regarded as "非法集资,商业诈骗"。I don't know how to trans to English in a right way."非法集资主要取决与向特定人集资的特定人如何判定,现在在你们网站上通过购买期货商品的方式不符合特定人标准,即任何个人或法人都可任意地通过购买的方式使你们达到集资的效果。并且这集资数额随便有几千万的。且现在看来,你们在知道2月底无法交货的情况下仍然以此为期限向非特定人兜售你们还未生产出的期货商品且诱使受害人同意或变相同意了对受害人完全不公平的任何协议 这都构成商业诈骗行为。。"
so, let's imagine this:if you failed on your project and could not make a machine FULL WORK AND ASSEMBLED you promised and customer purchased..and customer got nothing at last....you think this is legal and reasonable?

alright,Sir,I beg you,which is shame for me as a customer,I beg you this time to refund me values $6068.13 which I paid for my order. please, be fair and refund me. do as a good company do...

@blcakarrow,
email no reply?
call the phone no reply?
update: phone replied...
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@blackarrow,
Dear sir,
so you finally putout your terms and conditions?which is absolutely unfair to customer...
please read this, I also pm and email you:
1.to buy bitcoin for investment is one thing,if I buy a high price,that's my problem,so i should take responsibility for that myself.besides, i can wait a suitable price to sell or not sell at all.that depends on market.
buy your miner is another.you promise ship to me on the end of Feb.but until now,I got nothing.what?it seems I should take responsibility for that?when customer buy something that even not got it at all,they have no right to request a refund?remember I am the customer ,not your investor!

2.Of course I want get my miner as soon as possible. in bitcoin, we all know mining earlier can make more profit.what?I should buy your products and wait a few years not get it? the price of miner keep dropping,diff for bitcoin keep increasing..what?I shall be very calm down like this is not my business and happy to see that?

3.Understanding is for each other...I know you are in a bad situation,but so do I,I also buy a miner in BITMINE.they also messed up.and I compare they to you and other miner sell company in china like bitmain. said you even do a better job in these days.you kept updating news and increasing compensation.it seems fair on that time ,and told us can start shipping on May frist.but with the time passing we all know the compensations are not enough. I even be excite when you succeed on your chips. but now,what I should say? Bitmine can accept refund at least . 
4.it's shame for you to put out your unfair terms and conditions. check Bitmine's .it seems a little fair in someway. this reflect confidence on their company.I am not sure if I am right for I said you did better job than Bitmine now.besides and most important is: it's legal or not on your terms or conditions may depends...In China your business like this may be regarded as "非法集资,商业诈骗"。I don't know how to trans to English in a right way."非法集资主要取决与向特定人集资的特定人如何判定,现在在你们网站上通过购买期货商品的方式不符合特定人标准,即任何个人或法人都可任意地通过购买的方式使你们达到集资的效果。并且这集资数额随便有几千万的。且现在看来,你们在知道2月底无法交货的情况下仍然以此为期限向非特定人兜售你们还未生产出的期货商品且诱使受害人同意或变相同意了对受害人完全不公平的任何协议 这都构成商业诈骗行为。。"
so, let's imagine this:if you failed on your project and could not make a machine FULL WORK AND ASSEMBLED you promised and customer purchased..and customer got nothing at last....you think this is legal and reasonable?

alright,Sir,I beg you,which is shame for me as a customer,I beg you this time to refund me values $6068.13 which I paid for my order. please, be fair and refund me. do as a good company do...

@blcakarrow,
email no reply?
call the phone no reply?
member
Activity: 100
Merit: 10
@blackarrow,
Dear sir,
so you finally putout your terms and conditions?which is absolutely unfair to customer...
please read this, I also pm and email you:
1.to buy bitcoin for investment is one thing,if I buy a high price,that's my problem,so i should take responsibility for that myself.besides, i can wait a suitable price to sell or not sell at all.that depends on market.
buy your miner is another.you promise ship to me on the end of Feb.but until now,I got nothing.what?it seems I should take responsibility for that?when customer buy something that even not got it at all,they have no right to request a refund?remember I am the customer ,not your investor!

2.Of course I want get my miner as soon as possible. in bitcoin, we all know mining earlier can make more profit.what?I should buy your products and wait a few years not get it? the price of miner keep dropping,diff for bitcoin keep increasing..what?I shall be very calm down like this is not my business and happy to see that?

3.Understanding is for each other...I know you are in a bad situation,but so do I,I also buy a miner in BITMINE.they also messed up.and I compare they to you and other miner sell company in china like bitmain. said you even do a better job in these days.you kept updating news and increasing compensation.it seems fair on that time ,and told us can start shipping on May frist.but with the time passing we all know the compensations are not enough. I even be excite when you succeed on your chips. but now,what I should say? Bitmine can accept refund at least . 
4.it's shame for you to put out your unfair terms and conditions. check Bitmine's .it seems a little fair in someway. this reflect confidence on their company.I am not sure if I am right for I said you did better job than Bitmine now.besides and most important is: it's legal or not on your terms or conditions may depends...In China your business like this may be regarded as "非法集资,商业诈骗"。I don't know how to trans to English in a right way."非法集资主要取决与向特定人集资的特定人如何判定,现在在你们网站上通过购买期货商品的方式不符合特定人标准,即任何个人或法人都可任意地通过购买的方式使你们达到集资的效果。并且这集资数额随便有几千万的。且现在看来,你们在知道2月底无法交货的情况下仍然以此为期限向非特定人兜售你们还未生产出的期货商品且诱使受害人同意或变相同意了对受害人完全不公平的任何协议 这都构成商业诈骗行为。。"
so, let's imagine this:if you failed on your project and could not make a machine FULL WORK AND ASSEMBLED you promised and customer purchased..and customer got nothing at last....you think this is legal and reasonable?

alright,Sir,I beg you,which is shame for me as a customer,I beg you this time to refund me values $6068.13 which I paid for my order. please, be fair and refund me. do as a good company do...
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better everyday ♥
Blah... Blah... Blah...  Compensation...  Blah...  No Refunds...  Blah... Blah... Angry Blah... 

500 posts of that crap is enough.  I'll check back on Wednesday and see how things are going.

Too bad BTC isn't rewarded by posting. This place would be full of millionaires.
Yeah, these thread is full of dicks. It is stupid, how can you justify being upset and posting to a company well all they have done is take your money then delay a little, lie, delay more, ignore you, say you can't have refunds, delay more, ignore lots more, compensate by making you buy psu's, then say well be can't figure it out you can have minions though, be rude at suggestions and not post pictures of "just waiting for case" x-1's. Talk about over dramatic.

Exactly, how dare we customers raise a stink, we have no right or no stake in this project at all.

BA would've been just fine without us customers.  They'd be able to fund...oh...that's right we did fund this operation.

Guess we do have a say in the process.
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Blah... Blah... Blah...  Compensation...  Blah...  No Refunds...  Blah... Blah... Angry Blah... 

500 posts of that crap is enough.  I'll check back on Wednesday and see how things are going.

Too bad BTC isn't rewarded by posting. This place would be full of millionaires.
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Blah... Blah... Blah...  Compensation...  Blah...  No Refunds...  Blah... Blah... Angry Blah... 

500 posts of that crap is enough.  I'll check back on Wednesday and see how things are going.
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better everyday ♥
Thanks sirsmokesalot!  That text within the old quote bothered me too, just didn't want to say it.
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Preordered 10 X1 from BA back in December.

When u first failed to deliver in February i asked for the possibility for a refund in march.

After really slow support on the tickets you asked for my wire details etc and made me believe that you would finally proceed refunds.

Then again weeks later you tell me that refunds aren't possible till May, which also was the next promised shipping date.

Prefering hardware over late cash i choose to stick with you folks in good faith and opted for the hardware in May.

Now, again almost a month late you still have no working & complete hardware and you telling your backers that a refund isn't possible anymore. This is ridiculous and i smell noone ever got a refund from you guys :/

So Black Arrow it is clearly your duty to provide your backers with fully assembled and working miners and a fair compensation.
Offering compensation in the form of paperweight hardware is a joke. 50% hashingpower after this long delay is a joke too. And to top all this, making your backers pay for additional parts and shipping to get their compensation units work is total bulls!?#

Deliver what your customers payed for, FULLY WORKING AND ASSEMBLED MINERS.
Give us a real compensation, 200% of ordered hashingpower, while still not that great would be acceptable.

Ofc free shipping and with PSUs…
I'd rather get one or two less compensation units then having to send you folks more cash.

Are you serious?  Do you really think they're going to agree with any of your compensation suggestions.  Get real mate....  You pre-ordered and knew the risks like the rest of us.  Life's a gamble, all your chips went on black and it's landed in the red.  I wish we all went green and scored but we didn't!  Sad... but stop asking for compensation...  You should be happy with your order because that's all  you ordered knowing fully that there could be delays or problems and if you didn't then....  I'm not gonna say what I think.

If they offer compensation then I'll be happy but I'm not going to be stupid enough to demand anything because 'I' made a wrong decision! 

You did ask for a refund and then changed your mind again.  Maybe you'd have your refund if you didn't take the gamble and stay with the hardware.  Hmmmm... who's fault is that?

I'm sorry but I've lost a crap load with this deal, I didn't order 1 x X3 or 1 x X1 like the majority probably would have but I'm a realist and take full responsibility for my own actions... I've even kept the wife and five kids updated so they know exactly what Dad is going through right now because they give me strength.  Another reason I don't want to see pathetic whimpering on here about how hard done by people are because of their own actions.

I'm confident we will have the completed systems within the next few weeks.  Bitcoin is doing well right now so we all may still have some chance, who knows but I'm sticking with it and crossing fingers.





lol, since you like casting stones, i do as well.

Maybe someone with 5 kids shouldn't be gambling his money on btc miners. Maybe he should gamble on birth control instead  Roll Eyes

Just to go full douche bag on you, Your text should go after the /quote tag. You can even preview in the future to avoid such embarrassment!

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