Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 254. (Read 787053 times)

Best way would be to keep all funds in original currency and pay back in same currency. But I doubt this is the case since BA required some preorder funds for nre.

You don't understand that Bob is shafting you either way? Btc worth 500 = you get your 6 btc back that you paid for an x-3 when price was higher.

Btc 2k? Sure, I'll refund you! Since price have doubled you will only get 3 btc though.. *sorry*

Completely disgusting scam

I would want a refund amount equal to what I gave them. I've got 600 GH/s on pre order with them. If I ever decide i want a refund I'll want the exact amount of BTC I gave them back.

This is a problem with no clear solution for if they refunded you in dollars today and btc goes to $1000.00/btc tonight some people will be pissed they weren't refunded in btc.  The hashfast thread has the reverse situation where customers want refunds in btc and hashfast is talking about refunding them in dollars and the customers are pissed about that because btc was $50-100 when they bought their machines.

I'm ok with that. If I don't like the price (be it dollars or BTC) I don't have to 'buy'. This is just my opinion and probably isn't worth .02 :-)

I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC.

Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k?

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

BA is ~2/gh

asicminer next gen is less than 2/gh

bitmain is gonna have to step up their game.

LOL,I already got my 400+GH mining & another 180 on the way + the 150GH I had mining & my GPU altcoin farm 

No more preorders for me 

You know who is shipping miners in two weeks for just 5.50 a Ghs? Bitmaintech. Step yo game up BA, shit!

Yes, it looks like he hasn't read this whole thread. A several last pages is not enough.
Wait... He hasn't read even the last pages, where was the confirmation from Verisilicon.

aha! I see a SPAM operation, is all I see.

Black Arrow is very likely to be a massive SCAM OPERATION:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-blackarrowsoftwarecom-is-most-likely-a-scam-operation-469005
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-is-most-likely-a-scam-operation-469017

Let it be so... with order->ship within 48 hours. 

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

thats $1800 for 1TH

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In electronics design, tape-out or tapeout is the final result of the design cycle for integrated circuits or printed circuit boards, the point at which the artwork for the photomask of a circuit is sent for manufacture.[1]

Some sources have indicated that the roots of the term can be traced back to the time when paper tape and later magnetic tape reels were loaded with the final electronic files used to create the photomask at the factory.[1] Other sources reference the early days of printed circuit design, when the enlarged (for higher precision) "artwork" for the photomask was manually "taped out" using black line tape and adhesive-backed die cut elements on sheets of PET film. Subsequently the artwork was photographically reduced.[2] A similar process was used for early integrated circuits.[3]

The term tapeout currently is used to describe the creation of the photomask itself from the final approved electronic CAD file. This stage is sometimes referred to as PG, for Pattern Generation. Designers may use this term to refer to the writing of the final file to disk or CD and its subsequent transmission to the foundry; however, in current practice the foundry will perform checks and make modifications to the mask design specific to the manufacturing process before actual tapeout. Optical proximity correction is an example of such an advanced mask modification; it corrects for the wave-like behavior of light when etching the nano scale features of the most modern integrated circuits.[1]

A modern IC has to go through a long and complex design process before it is ready for tape-out. Many of the steps along the way utilize software tools collectively known as electronic design automation (EDA). The design must then go through a series of verification steps collectively known as "signoff" before it can be taped-out. Tape-out is usually a cause for celebration by everyone who worked on the project, followed by trepidation awaiting the first article, the first physical samples of a chip from the manufacturing facility (semiconductor foundry).

The weeks before the tapeout are categorized as 'sleepless nights' in the parlance of IC Designers.

First tapeout is rarely the end of work for the design team. Most chips will go through a set of spins in which fixes are implemented after testing the first article. Many different factors can cause a spin, including:

    The taped-out design fails final checks at the foundry due to problems manufacturing the design itself.
    The design is successfully fabricated, but the first article fails functionality tests."

2: Go here and watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvluuAIiA50 This is the single most time consuming step left.

3; The little chips are sent to a company that will "package" them into a working ASIC "Minion" that you see represented on the BA web site.

4: While this is all happening BA is finishing the PCB boards these chips will be mounted on and final case design. Everything else is done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIsUJo-sGwEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ybLGF1AkYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjs9KjAaRew

5: the rest is just simple assembly.

Is there enough time? Nobody can really say for sure but if everything goes well they should be able, but refer back to the "Tape out"  this is still the biggest area of concern at this time.

This to the best of my knowledge and may have left something out.

Hey Folks,

In an attempt to bring us back on track...

So,  what exactly needs to be done, if tapeout ends next friday,  and they need to get their miners shipped by May 1st? Can it all be done in 69 days?

Also,  the rent-a-minon program starts May 1st?  Or when your miner ships? (which is subject to a que, at least)