Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 256. (Read 787257 times)

This is silly. If BA asked Verisilicon to disclose the fact of their agreement to anyone who asked, that would supersede the NDA. It makes sense that BA would ask them to do this specifically during this circumstance.  I'm sure if any one of Verisilicon's future customers saw this thread and asked, Verisilicon could produce documentation authorizing the disclosure of anything they said. As I said before, PG, I appreciate your efforts, but this is an empty rabbit hole you are looking down.

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If we are not going to stick to the topic then please let us at least discuss the idea of Social Capital. Maybe some good can come out of the stupidity on display here. A more open and clear dialogue can happen between the actual parties who have a stake in this venture versus those who are merely perpetuating story lines in order to have people focus on their issues and agendas and not the issues of those who are stakeholders.

I'm saying:
-That NDA has a general meaning and a more specific meaning dependent on the terms of the specific NDA;
-I have not read the NDA's being discussed here, and likely neither has most anyone else on this thread.

Wow...good to see! I stand corrected...and I'm glad.

Exactly. NDA does not mean 'no one can talk about anything', necessarily. An NDA specifies what cannot be talked about but it's not the same (again, not necessarily) as not being able to talk at all about a matter. Depends on the specific NDA, and I guarantee you that ba's NDA with their resellers isn't the same NDA as they have with veriwhateveritscalled. So claiming anyone has breached an NDA Is reaching a bit unless you've read that specific NDA for yourself.

(And yes, I've read, and signed, a few NDA's in my time, and they all had different things I couldn't talk about in them)

Thank God!  Good follow through Goozman!

Now I can put PG on ignore again.   

No thanks.

Sure, call Verisilicon China and ask.

Fuck me! We CAN put this NDA thing to rest right here, right now.

Black Arrow Matt, does so-and-so have any orders on your books for bitcoin miners? All I want is a simple yes or no, nothing that I'm not privy to.

Apologies for being vague, does Dank have an order on Black Arrow's book for any bitcoin miners?

"Hello. Is this Acme Corn Syrup?"
"Yes it is, how may I help you today."
"Can you tell me if Coca-Cola recently started ordering your new highly-prized syrup?"
"Click!"
"Hello. Hello! HELLO! Thought not, but it was worth a shot, for I've seen this trick used once before against Verisilicon."

Seems to me, Black Arrow has indirectly now lost millions of dollars of business for Verisilicon. Well-played!

First, what I said was "handles other company's proprietary technology". I did not say "Handing out proprietary technology"...there is a difference even my feeble mind can understand. But regardless of my previous statement, NDAs mean you keep your Mouth Shut...Non Disclosure Agreement....what part of that is hard to understand?

And that is why i do not trust that email from Veri.

Ergo, why I was told when asked on the phone by the lady I spoke with via the California number (asked her three times to repeat her name, but she had an Asian accent and I couldn't retrain it, opting to no ask a forth time) does Verisilicon tell anybody who calls or emails the name of those they have contracts with, and she said no?

This is exactly why I didn't take the time prior when asked by Black Arrow (Alex) to find out for myself, for I already knew it was an impossibility due to an NDA, of which was confirmed today when I did call.

There is no way that Verilisicon should be disclosing any information about any client of theirs, no matter how mundane. Reason being, it's gives an entity a leg up on what their competition is doing, nothing, I repeat, nothing any entity would want happen due to a breach of an NDA.

Assuming goozman96's info is accurate, having no reason to believe otherwise at this penning, there's only two possibilities left to explain what happened. One, Verisilicon breaks their NDA agreements, of which WILL be the death knell of their company. Or, two, Verisilicon is a Chinese entity aligned with Black Arrow to either produce the Minion or perpetuate the scam, with the best option being that they're aligned at the risk of losing future business.

Bear in mind, Verisilicon is not a terribly large enterprise in spite of all the flash seen on the internet. In essence, they are a middleman, a reseller, if you will, and could have easily placed themselves in position to look out for some entity they've created to get into the Bitcoin game.

Far fetched, yes, but not outside the realm of possibility unless, of course, this post is deleted.

~Bruno Kucinskas

Nothing is amiss.

I guess BA Could Have authorized them to release a that information but then why go through the trouble of making everyone sing a NDA? Hell...even Matt is under the obligation of an NDA.

Again, I will state...something is amiss. Unless they are throwing out disinformation because they are in actuality, working on their 14nm tech. and want to blow away all their competition.

But that is just a dream I have...

Handing out proprietary technology =/= Confirming a non-secretive contract with a company

Yes, I understand...but that does not detract from standard corporate policy of...keeping you mouth shut. BA can say all they want...it's their Tech. But Veri is under an NDA and That email blows it right out of the water. Think about it. How long do you think a company that handles other company's proprietary technology under NDAs would last if they had employees that talked to general population about said technology?

It doesn't make sense...IMO

Is there any evidence Black Arrow is using Global?  I had the impression they were working with SMIC.

This is very troubling to me. NDAs are very simple contracts...you talk and you're liable. Company's that deal with NDAs have standard policy not to divulge any information concerning any contract. So, if your Very lucky, they MIGHT tell you that XYZ Inc. is a client. But in all probability, they will not confirm anything...let alone that "we are working on a 28nm ASIC for Black Arrow". Their lawyers would have a field day with that. So I question the validity of the email.

Iam glad that you emailed so many people at verisilicon. I found that site what list [email protected] as one of many many emails where passwords were hacked. So naturally i raised it here to investigate further. I noticed that hack occured dec 2011. So that ease my concerns but still had/have issues with nda.
Maybe you should all read from the point when guzman posted email screenshoot. Nobody questioned goozman and i certainly did not creted fud.
Hoping to see all ba customers happy and pleased. Nobody is perfect, we could all have demons in the past, people does change, some does not it depend on what they do now.
If ba is indeed alex sovu, so what if he had this fellon charges? He changed, it was long ago and did a good work with lancelot and other miners. I do not blame him if he hide it as that is in human nature to try to hide bad things in their past. But we shold not be judges and have prejaduce.never!

Edit
Site with a list of e-mails with password leak can be delisted if current owner email them. Robert kuang is a sale maneger at verisilicon so his position warrant imidiate delist to avoid eventual issues like this.

This basically answers my question but if goozman can confirm that would be nice

Who did you send the email to? If it was directly to the guy who got his email account stolen then that could raise some concerns. (Although you would think verisilicon could easily deactivate or change passwords even if it was compromised.)

But if you sent your email to their support and got a reply from this guy I would see no reason to be concerned.