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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 257. (Read 787053 times)

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Sorry, I left something unredacted in the last post. Here it is again:

(20nm hypothesis was wrong, so what's the "surprise"? hmmm)

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww214/terrorist96/verisilicon_zps5e2c3700.png

That initial email goozman96 sent was to their default sales email, unless all those sales emails were compromised, everything sounds like it checks out.
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
Robert kuang seem to be asic design maneger at verisilicon. That pass breach was long ago 2011 but still this nda bugs me.
Can somebody best pg email him?
 
I hear ya, but NDA's are commonplace.  In my business,  it's very common.  Nobody is given information or allowed onto the manufacturing floor that hasn't signed one.  Period.

it's common business practice.

what the scope is I don't know, as we haven't seen it obviously, but I don't doubt it exists.  I'd be more surprised if it didn't.

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_International_(SMI)/Verisilicon_Holdings_Ltd

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VeriSilicon Holdings Co., Ltd. is a fabless ASIC design foundry focusing on providing semiconductor IP, design services and turnkey services including manufacturing, packaging, testing, and delivery.

No wonder it's not on the list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_IP_core_vendors

now that's worrying... tapeout of a chip, they don't even fab.



"Fabless manufacturing is the design and sale of hardware devices and semiconductor chips while outsourcing the fabrication or "fab" of the devices to a specialized manufacturer called a semiconductor foundry. Foundries are typically located in China[1] [2] [3] [4] because of the generally low cost of labor, so fabless companies can benefit from lower capital costs while concentrating their research and development resources on the end market."

but black arrow are purportedly the designers of the hardware, and very silly con, the manufacturers... so WHO ARE working the REAL fab-houses for Black Arrow, or is that just a step too far?

i'll wait for these posts to be deleted, AGAIN.
Probably TSMC.
hero member
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Lol comprised email? That's the best you can come up with?

You fudsters are really running out of juice now. Maybe take a few days off to recharge your batteries and come back when you have any legit criticism.

Also sending an email to a nonexistent email address normally forwards to the companies catch all address. So unless verisilicon is incredibly incompetent I think the email is legit. Not sure why I bother addressing the fudsters as you will be back with more conspiracies tomorrow.

Anyways thanks goozman96 for giving us the details even though it might pain you to say something in support of BA (considering you didn't seem to happy with them not too long ago)
sr. member
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Well, you might be lucky and get a reply?

You know I hope that in a couple of months Black Arrow delivers a mountain of excellent products, everyone is happy and makes ROI and we all look back and laugh at some of the things happening on this thread.

In the meantime, it has to be one of the most entertaining threads on the forum and it looks like new posters are joining it each day.

Thanks for the laughs everyone.

Smiley




+1

perhaps over the last month or so, folks have learned a few things about pre-orders!!

enjoy your black arrow rigs guys  Tongue
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Honestly, if the account was still compromised, he wouldn't CC his reply to someone else in the same company, because it's probably standard protocol to document all emails.

I just want to clarify that you have contacted verisilicon and received confirmation of a contract with BA? Is there still any reason to believe there is some bullshit going on?

Its very hard to understand whats going on with all the fudsters spamming this thread.
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Speaking of using common sense, if the lady I spoke with via the California number says that in no way Verisilicon will release any information about any company they have a contract with, do you honestly believe that somebody in China representing the same company is going to provide me what I ask?
I don't know. Ask them yourself. This is completely out of my hands... which is a good thing since people want independent verification.

I'd encourage you to look into it further because I really want to clear the air and get focused and back to business.
legendary
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408 844 8560

http://www.verisilicon.com/worldwideoffice.html

Odd! I just got off the phone and the lady doesn't know a Rober Kuang or of any Black Arrow.

Call them yourselves.

By the way, I specifically asked if Verilisilicon would release any information on any company contracting through them and she said no. Then, she starting asking who I was and what company I represented.

Call the number above and ask for yourselves.

Also, ask her if a Bruno Kucinskas called.

 US Santa Clara Office
VeriSilicon, Inc.
4699 Old Ironsides Drive, Suite 350
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Tel: +1 408 844 8560
Fax: +1 408 844 8563
Email: [email protected]

That may be the first clue. The fact that you're calling a US based branch about business going on in China. Did the person you spoke to do any research on it or did they just say they have no idea what you're talking about because of your over use of the word ergo?

Seriously though. You're able to use google and common sense when you're trying to dig up dirt against us but you can't figure out to call the Asia/Pacific branch of Verisilicon? Call any of these numbers before you post more misinformation.

 China Shanghai Office
VeriSilicon Microelectronics (Shanghai) Co., Ltd.
20F, No. 560, Songtao Road, Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park, Pudong New Area, Shanghai 201203, P.R.China
Tel: +86 21 5131 1118
Fax: +86 21 5131 1119
Email: [email protected]

  China Beijing Office
VeriSilicon Microelectronics (Beijing) Co., Ltd.
A106, Information Center, Zhongguancun Software Park
8 Dongbeiwang West Road, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, P.R.C
Tel: +86 10 8282 6693
Fax: +86 10 8282 6769
Email: [email protected]

  China Shenzhen Office
VeriSilicon Microelectronics (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. Shenzhen Branch
Room 3505, Building #1, Excellence Century Center, #2030
of JinTan Road, FuTian District, Shenzhen , 518000 China
Tel: +86 755 8202 9576
Fax: +86 755 8202 9575



Speaking of using common sense, if the lady I spoke with via the California number says that in no way Verisilicon will release any information about any company they have a contract with, do you honestly believe that somebody in China representing the same company is going to provide me what I ask?
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408 844 8560

http://www.verisilicon.com/worldwideoffice.html

Odd! I just got off the phone and the lady doesn't know a Rober Kuang or of any Black Arrow.

Call them yourselves.

By the way, I specifically asked if Verilisilicon would release any information on any company contracting through them and she said no. Then, she starting asking who I was and what company I represented.

Call the number above and ask for yourselves.

Also, ask her if a Bruno Kucinskas called.

 US Santa Clara Office
VeriSilicon, Inc.
4699 Old Ironsides Drive, Suite 350
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Tel: +1 408 844 8560
Fax: +1 408 844 8563
Email: [email protected]

That may be the first clue. The fact that you're calling a US based branch about business going on in China. Did the person you spoke to do any research on it or did they just say they have no idea what you're talking about because of your over use of the word ergo?

Seriously though. You're able to use google and common sense when you're trying to dig up dirt against us but you can't figure out to call the Asia/Pacific branch of Verisilicon? Call any of these numbers before you post more misinformation.

 China Shanghai Office
VeriSilicon Microelectronics (Shanghai) Co., Ltd.
20F, No. 560, Songtao Road, Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park, Pudong New Area, Shanghai 201203, P.R.China
Tel: +86 21 5131 1118
Fax: +86 21 5131 1119
Email: [email protected]

  China Beijing Office
VeriSilicon Microelectronics (Beijing) Co., Ltd.
A106, Information Center, Zhongguancun Software Park
8 Dongbeiwang West Road, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, P.R.C
Tel: +86 10 8282 6693
Fax: +86 10 8282 6769
Email: [email protected]

  China Shenzhen Office
VeriSilicon Microelectronics (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. Shenzhen Branch
Room 3505, Building #1, Excellence Century Center, #2030
of JinTan Road, FuTian District, Shenzhen , 518000 China
Tel: +86 755 8202 9576
Fax: +86 755 8202 9575

sr. member
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So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.

So, a third party member who is totally unaffiliated and actually has been doubting us as much as everyone else has contacted a third party company who confirmed we are a customer.

I must be missing something because it seems to me like there is still a lot of doubt we are who we say we are.
Because a user pointed out that the email had been compromised in the past.

Did you by any chance try to contact the other e-mail address cc'd on your initial e-mail thread with Mr. Huang or Kwang? (I can't remember and I'm not looking through 3 pages to find out)  I know PH said that his, Huang/Kwang, was compromised but what about that other gentleman, I thought the consensus was that his apparently hadn't been.
Yes. Haven't received a reply yet.

it's 4 in the morning in china.
legendary
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408 844 8560

http://www.verisilicon.com/worldwideoffice.html

Odd! I just got off the phone and the lady doesn't know a Rober Kuang or of any Black Arrow.

Call them yourselves.

By the way, I specifically asked if Verilisilicon would release any information on any company contracting through them and she said no. Then, she starting asking who I was and what company I represented.

Call the number above and ask for yourselves.

Also, ask her if a Bruno Kucinskas called.
member
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So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.

So, a third party member who is totally unaffiliated and actually has been doubting us as much as everyone else has contacted a third party company who confirmed we are a customer.

I must be missing something because it seems to me like there is still a lot of doubt we are who we say we are.
Because a user pointed out that the email had been compromised in the past.

Did you by any chance try to contact the other e-mail address cc'd on your initial e-mail thread with Mr. Huang or Kwang? (I can't remember and I'm not looking through 3 pages to find out)  I know PH said that his, Huang/Kwang, was compromised but what about that other gentleman, I thought the consensus was that his apparently hadn't been.
member
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So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.

So, a third party member who is totally unaffiliated and actually has been doubting us as much as everyone else has contacted a third party company who confirmed we are a customer.

I must be missing something because it seems to me like there is still a lot of doubt we are who we say we are.
Because a user pointed out that the email had been compromised in the past.

So where's the conspiracy?
sr. member
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So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.

So, a third party member who is totally unaffiliated and actually has been doubting us as much as everyone else has contacted a third party company who confirmed we are a customer.

I must be missing something because it seems to me like there is still a lot of doubt we are who we say we are.

yup you are still missing parts of it. confirmed.
member
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So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.

So, a third party member who is totally unaffiliated and actually has been doubting us as much as everyone else has contacted a third party company who confirmed we are a customer.

I must be missing something because it seems to me like there is still a lot of doubt we are who we say we are.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?

in part. of course, yes.
member
Activity: 87
Merit: 10
So, just to confirm I have this right.

An independent member on this forum has reached out to a third party. The third party company gave confirmation that Black Arrow is a customer and the specs look accurate. Is that right?
legendary
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They have Globalfoundries for that.
http://dazzlepod.com/csdn/?page=4893

from the email,

"Dear Black Arrow customer,
WE confirm that WE are working on a 28nm mining ASIC for Black Arrow and WE are a few days away from the tapeout"


ah. OK then. WE = Globalfoundries, and not Very Silly Con. groovy. I'm glad that's clear.
However that email come from verisilicon not gf. Who are ''we'' in the email? imo verisilicon not gf.
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They have Globalfoundries for that.

Great! Then GF would also have no problem releasing information to anybody who asks if they are melting sand for Company X. I'm pretty sure they won't, but somebody please prove me wrong on this.

i'd prove you wrong because I care about people's money invested, but, erm... I can't be bothered.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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They have Globalfoundries for that.

Great! Then GF would also have no problem releasing information to anybody who asks if they are melting sand for Company X. I'm pretty sure they won't, but somebody please prove me wrong on this.
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