Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 276. (Read 787053 times)

Because it has nothing to do with this thread and is distracting.

Oh shit......my middle name is Carson.........guess I'm part of the "crew" 

I see one link, quoted (without the original link so wee what else was said) saying something that has a "Willie Carson". I fail to see how that ha anything to do with the person I have met in real life.

For what it's worth, I reached out to Phinneaus regarding the two people he was helping who had an order for $147k and $20k. He won't tell me their names on here, which is fine. He said he has no support ticket numbers to reference and he said he'd forward my PM to them so they can respond to me. It's only been about 24 hours now so it's still possible they can contact me but so far nobody has.

I want to help these people but I have received zero information and our trouble ticket system is pretty much up to date. I've not seen any tickets that are close to the situation that Phinneaus's friends are in.

Where in Shenzhen so we can verify and name please in case this goes downhill.  Transparency is paramount at this stage.

Correct.

I was sitting next to him yesterday, definitely not a "willie" or a "Carson". There HQ is not in the Uk either, its in shenzen. the UK office is intended for customer service, and software development.

Where...anywhere does it have someone sharing my last name be apart of BA? I know pretty much every single person involved, and none of them have my last name, let alone related to me. I am an only child, and both of my parents are retired, so.... please stop waisting time with just fud, so we can keep the thread clear for questions and concerns, so that when I bring more info back, when I post it it wont be buried under 1000 tons of useless info.

In Denver CO, where I live, there are at last 4 other familys with the last name Carson. Theres thousands of people with my last name.

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Not even bloody close.
Now im going to go back to bed, its 351AM here in the UK, im jet lagged, and have another meeting tomorrow with all of them, including the reseller for the Netherlands and the UK reseller (flappy stocks).

Its not that I was too lazy to read what you said, its just that what you said was bullshit.

Fun fact: ebay shows all completed listings in advanced search

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=black+arrow+prospero&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&LH_Complete=1

And as anyone can see only 2 sales have been made worldwide for prosperos. One sale for 750 usd which is double the current rate.

What are you so mad about really? Nobody with an actual order with BA is even a fraction as butthurt about the delays as you and PG.

Here are some questions I have, Matt:

Why May 1st?  Could you provide a more detailed timeline of what Black arrow expects to have done by when?

25% hosted bitcoins is far under what other companies have decided to give their customers when they were late.  How does Black arrow think this compares to,  say,  bitmine's offer of an extra 10% extra hardware per 10 days late?

Has tapeout actually happened?  That is,  has all of the development work been done and sent off to the chipmaker?

When has Black arrow contracted Global foundries to make the chip?  They have had delays for other users of their services,  how are you sure that black arrow will not be affected?

What is the refund procedure/policy?

    This is excellent news and very good for all BA stakeholders. The competition has raised the bar and set a "new" standard for just compensation. I may not know all the ins and outs of the bitcoin industry but I do know business. It's a cut throat world out there and surviving means do better and cheaper than your competition. If not...you can kiss your ass goodbye because you will slowly erode away into nothing...leaving only a bad taste in people's mouths and minds. It will be interesting to see how BA and Miner Source respond to KNC's shot across their bow. I believe in BA, I just think they went about it in a bad way. They should have announced it as an investment opportunity...your $ now for a piece of the action down the road. Put out your projection on what you expect to produce and just keep the investors in the loop.

    Anybody with half a brain could could figure out that this was a client funded R&D project. And I am sure that everything was going well.  until their bench test of their pre-fab run...they didn't hit the mark. Back to the drawing board...BA fault was choosing not to inform their investors (because until they have product, that's what they are) of a possible delay. I say delay, because BA could have chosen to run the FAB and make up for it in the ass end. Investors would have product and compensation for not hitting their stated goal...win/win. OR they could have made a statement after the testing and said the FAB failed to meet it's design specs. "After careful consideration, we at Black Arrow have decided to redesign the chip to meet or exceed original specs" and then follow with w project brief. Sadly they chose not to do either and will be playing catch-up for the next two months...under extreme pressure to perform....would NOT want to be in their shoes right now.

Now there has been something stuck in the back of my head. BA, like everyone else, is going to make millions during burn in...maybe. I say maybe because I don't know if they are like the computer industry and burn their equipment in before release. If they do...their lies all the capital they will need to fund just compensation.

This whole pre-order thing is quite ingenious. Wish I had thought of it. Obtain VC without have to give up a stake in your company. This if fact boarders on Super Genius.

and yes, I am a pre-order holder.

Yes, I have order with BA via DZ coop.  AM will be earlier due to use of 40nm versus 28nm, per the forecasts of both companies. I'm not intending to spread FUD.  I'm intending to outline the facts and how it might be possible to salvage something back. If I could get 75% of my money back, I would be happy with that. I would then buy BTCs with it.

What alternate reality are you living in? I don't see "mountains of prosperos selling on ebay" and the "majority of customers posting" are actually only about 3 fudsters who don't know how preorders work.

Seriously don't you have anything better to do? Like riding dinosaurs in your alternate reality?

How will they be 2 months earlier when BA and AM are both going to tapeout around feb 15?

Do you even have an order with BA or are you just here to create fud?

BA doesn't have to buy machines from others, they can get AM chips like they did with the bitfuries. The AM chips are going to be two months earlier and will kill BA's chips on current performance specs.  

0.35 versus 0.75 w/ghs TT
0.2 versus 0.5(?) w/ghs SS

I'm keen to salvage something out of this.  The BA back end team has failed.  That should be acknowledged. Let's move forward.

Edit: I have no idea what PG posted above as he is on my ignore. Please don't quote him if at all possible. Makes me rage less.

Key questions for me:

If Jan 3 is delayed to Feb 1, how come delivery is pushed out from Feb 24 to May 1?

The tapeout delay is one month, the delivery delay is two months and 3 days. Makes no sense.

This suggests that at Jan 3, even before tapeout, the delivery date of Feb 24 was not possible.  No announcement of this was made and BA kept selling machines knowing the targets would be missed. Why?

Also, on Jan 3, when it was realised that tapeout was behind schedule, why were no announcements made?  

Further, on Jan 3, why did BA continue to represent that everything was on schedule and why did they keep taking money for batch 2?  

Failure to address these questions to date makes me question BA's motivation in all of this.

I have to admit I raged pretty hard when I got my e-mail, but we all knew this was a risk going in, I've come to terms with it, soooo having said that, it seems to me that the "Big list O' Questions" would be something similar to the following:

1. Can you please assign someone to be on top of these questions and concerns in an expedient manner? It's been made obvious this is a absolute customer requirement.

2. Refunds/Rebates/Discounts/Hardware etc..
It's obvious (based on the competition, the delays, etc.. that the 25% for 4 months isn't adequate compensation for Batch 1.

Was that a first draft, proposal? Would you consider the options listed (1 additional unit per unit ordered, 100% of hashing power in additional months to equal missed hashing power since missed date, direct BTC compensation from the BA farms, credit against the scrypt miner in development/BA products etc..)

Some people will be adamant about a refund will this be possible (if wired/if paid in BTC?)

3. Previous information released.
I'm not an engineer but it seems a few people who actually understand the manufacturing timelines are saying that you *had* to know there was in issue well in advance of telling us. What was this, why weren't we informed that there were "issues" at all etc..

4. How much internal hashing are you doing "for BA profit", how many BTC have you generated in testing units prepping for sale?

5. For the people worried if this is vaporware.
Can you work with your assembly/mfg's etc.. to provide an immediate "proof of work" that this is a "real thing"?

6. Can you just give me insane amounts of BTC for being so rational (hey it's about time SOMEONE got rewarded for it!)
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Anyone else want to add some stuff? (PLEASE, no matter how much you hate on them for whatever reason good or bad, can you just hold off on replies to this, so we can get some answers. Even if you think they're pretend,.. please let US get some info.

Agreed. Couple things I want to mention in this thread:

1 - Black Arrow doesn't have enough Bitfury boards to offer much hash power until May 1st when the delivery date comes.
2 - Black Arrow doesn't have any X-1s or X-3s to use for hashing from Feb 24th to May 1st when the delivery date comes.

So we might as well forget about the whole "give us hash power" on February 24th scenario. They have nothing to use. Black Arrow isn't going to break down and go buy machines from other suppliers in order to keep their customers happy. (although it would be nice)

All that we can hope for is for them to increase the amount of "bonus" hashpower to something worth while by spending their own profit on hosted machines. Or they can just increase the duration of the 25% bonus. (by a lot)

Here is a proposed offer for Batch 1 customers - 50% off an equal order for batch 2 equipment and forget about the 25% bonus!