here's the other part of that KNC plan B that was left out, it's just an idea, nothing real at this point.
They are clarifying stuff over on the forum now.
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/29377-plan-b
"Hi guys,
Plan B is literally just the back-up plan to plan A, so right now we are on track with the current plans. We will have some more information regarding plan B if/when this pathway is due to be executed.
If plan B does occur, you will be able to convert over to a hosted hashing package, but again, the fine details of this have not yet been determined at this early stage.
We will have some further updates for you soon."
I won't hold your breath looking for any kind of similar comp from BA,they have already said the amount of BitFurys the have on hand would amount to 1 Gh each,pointless.
Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 278. (Read 787053 times)
Have they said they've taped out yet? I know it was delayed and it was supposed to be this week. Has it happened?
Tapeout is due between the 10-15 of Feb,Verisilicon returns to work on the 10th, will do final checks and tapeout
Have they said they've taped out yet? I know it was delayed and it was supposed to be this week. Has it happened?
If we can organize a list of questions, I can try getting answers.
I'm personally not interested in the name game, that's just distraction trolling that I'd expect from someone who's been spending too much time on 4chan but lacks their style and panache. If you want to resolve the vapourware concerns you could ask BAS to get Global Foundries to issue a brief press release to confirm the works they're underway with for BAS (I'm assuming GF can't do this without BAS permission, commercial sensitivity etc, but if they come to an agreement I can't see it being a problem).The second point would be replacing the lost GHS, I'd refer to my earlier post. Something like 100% of the hash rate for the same duration as the delay, or 50% hash rate for 2x the delay.. or so on. This would be my ideal solution.
Please have a think & chat and get back to us. Cheers
(From another Matt!)
I just wanted to say that this all seems like a very sensible solution. There is very little that can make up for the difficulty increase over time, but 100% of the hashrate for the same duration of the delay will show that BAS is willing to suffer with their customers and provides some assurance that BAS will do whatever they can to limit further delays.
100% for the duration of the delay starting when. Starting at (or close to) the promised delivery date is a good offer. Starting "whenever" is a worthless offer.
If we can organize a list of questions, I can try getting answers.
I'm personally not interested in the name game, that's just distraction trolling that I'd expect from someone who's been spending too much time on 4chan but lacks their style and panache. If you want to resolve the vapourware concerns you could ask BAS to get Global Foundries to issue a brief press release to confirm the works they're underway with for BAS (I'm assuming GF can't do this without BAS permission, commercial sensitivity etc, but if they come to an agreement I can't see it being a problem).The second point would be replacing the lost GHS, I'd refer to my earlier post. Something like 100% of the hash rate for the same duration as the delay, or 50% hash rate for 2x the delay.. or so on. This would be my ideal solution.
Please have a think & chat and get back to us. Cheers
(From another Matt!)
I just wanted to say that this all seems like a very sensible solution. There is very little that can make up for the difficulty increase over time, but 100% of the hashrate for the same duration of the delay will show that BAS is willing to suffer with their customers and provides some assurance that BAS will do whatever they can to limit further delays.
"Elasticband" To respond to shill... ok.
I had a Saturn which I upgraded to Jupiter in upgrade boards. So I didn't get it right in the posts, who cares.
Either way, whatever you call me, I am happy to see Bobsag3 on the ground talking to BA. Trusted entity doing productive conversation.
Like you posted, I am invested.
Any more names you want to call me, have fun.
I had a Saturn which I upgraded to Jupiter in upgrade boards. So I didn't get it right in the posts, who cares.
Either way, whatever you call me, I am happy to see Bobsag3 on the ground talking to BA. Trusted entity doing productive conversation.
Like you posted, I am invested.
Any more names you want to call me, have fun.
Anyone else read the latest KNC newsletter? Looks like KNC is either one step ahead in the industry or they have their crosshairs on BA. I don't think this is a coincidence. I will point out the letter states nothing about what % of pre-ordered hashrate will be comped, but I would bet it's more than 25% AND it will be available at stated pre-order ship date. The bad news: KNC will have some portion of their pre-order Neptune hash up and going on schedule. The good news: This puts direct competitor pressure on BA to deliver the absolute best comp within their means or risk having next to nothing to offer above the competition in the future.
"Plan B
As you are all aware we broke many world records in releasing the 28nm chip in such a short amount of time. We are a very ambitious company but even for us, to go “all in” and not be able to deliver on our performance targets, like our competition, would be completely unacceptable to us as a company and everything we stand for. So today we are introducing, Plan B.
To make sure that everyone who has paid for their Neptune we are building a data centre like no other. It is located in the north of Sweden not far from Facebook and other Mega Data Centres and it’s totally powered by renewable energy.
Over the next few months we are bringing online enough hashing power to make sure that any delay in the Neptune timeline will be compensated with a completely free hosted hashing packages to all fully paid customers.
In the addition to this commitment, as part of Plan B, for all Neptune customers, we will be offering a free conversion to a hosted hashing package where we will simply fill your wallets directly and you won’t have to worry about anything else. All the other costs taken care of by us. We are able to do this by using our 28nm chips which is why all products that we have coming out of our factory in the next few months will go into building and supplying the Plan B facility.
If, during the course of development of Neptune, there is any threat to the timelines for delivery, those delays will not result in the loss of any mining time for our Neptune customers. We will release more details of this as we get closer to the delivery date, but for now we have one of the world’s largest data centres to build.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team"
Thoughts?
"Plan B
As you are all aware we broke many world records in releasing the 28nm chip in such a short amount of time. We are a very ambitious company but even for us, to go “all in” and not be able to deliver on our performance targets, like our competition, would be completely unacceptable to us as a company and everything we stand for. So today we are introducing, Plan B.
To make sure that everyone who has paid for their Neptune we are building a data centre like no other. It is located in the north of Sweden not far from Facebook and other Mega Data Centres and it’s totally powered by renewable energy.
Over the next few months we are bringing online enough hashing power to make sure that any delay in the Neptune timeline will be compensated with a completely free hosted hashing packages to all fully paid customers.
In the addition to this commitment, as part of Plan B, for all Neptune customers, we will be offering a free conversion to a hosted hashing package where we will simply fill your wallets directly and you won’t have to worry about anything else. All the other costs taken care of by us. We are able to do this by using our 28nm chips which is why all products that we have coming out of our factory in the next few months will go into building and supplying the Plan B facility.
If, during the course of development of Neptune, there is any threat to the timelines for delivery, those delays will not result in the loss of any mining time for our Neptune customers. We will release more details of this as we get closer to the delivery date, but for now we have one of the world’s largest data centres to build.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team"
Thoughts?
Why do you care?
touched a nerve?
community interest
why don't you care?
Good to see Bobsag3 on ground. Trusted entity.
I would call you a BA shill.
Is it a saturn or a jupiter you own?
Your first post on the forum says you own a saturn, then your second says you own a jupiter. Can't quite remember what you own? within the space of a few hours???
Hi, I am a bitcoin miner who has been through BFL problems, I have a Sautrn, and I am particularly interested in the Black Arrow forums. May I please contribute, thanks.
Put 15k down on 3 Prosperos. Very much on philosophy with KNC Miner, which, I own a Jupiter.
Why do you care?
Good to see Bobsag3 on ground. Trusted entity.
I would call you a BA shill.
Is it a saturn or a jupiter you own?
Your first post on the forum says you own a saturn, then your second says you own a jupiter. Can't quite remember what you own? within the space of a few hours???
Hi, I am a bitcoin miner who has been through BFL problems, I have a Sautrn, and I am particularly interested in the Black Arrow forums. May I please contribute, thanks.
Put 15k down on 3 Prosperos. Very much on philosophy with KNC Miner, which, I own a Jupiter.
Good to see Bobsag3 on ground. Trusted entity.
Just landed in the UK, someone at BA is coming to give me a ride back to reading, I will probably update my posts later.
Thanks for update bob! Maybe we'll get some answers soon.
Hope they wont take you for as a big of a ride as they are doing to us.
lol
Just landed in the UK, someone at BA is coming to give me a ride back to reading, I will probably update my posts later.
If we can organize a list of questions, I can try getting answers.
I'm personally not interested in the name game, that's just distraction trolling that I'd expect from someone who's been spending too much time on 4chan but lacks their style and panache. If you want to resolve the vapourware concerns you could ask BAS to get Global Foundries to issue a brief press release to confirm the works they're underway with for BAS (I'm assuming GF can't do this without BAS permission, commercial sensitivity etc, but if they come to an agreement I can't see it being a problem).The second point would be replacing the lost GHS, I'd refer to my earlier post. Something like 100% of the hash rate for the same duration as the delay, or 50% hash rate for 2x the delay.. or so on. This would be my ideal solution.
Please have a think & chat and get back to us. Cheers
(From another Matt!)
This may be the most sensible post on this whole thread. If Global were to issue that statement, I think it would put a lot of rumour and trolling to rest real quick.
Full disclosure, I have no dog in this fight, though I was seriously considering getting a couple of x-1's at tax time. With the above suggestion implemented, I still might. They are a better deal than the Antminer, if they aren't vaporware.
How about it, BA?
Why don't you just submit a refund request?
What do you expect to get out of bitching and moaning?
I think he is expecting to get answers.
Just because he is asking questions does not mean he wants a refund, I know personally I want the equipment I paid for. I think most of us want to see this project succeed not die in the water but some people have to take responsibility for these missteps and lack of transparency.
I too wish they could deliver on time but they missed their tapeout by a month and a half. How will transparency/identities allow us to get our hardware any faster?
I just want to know how we will be compensated for the delays and how refunds will be handled. And as matt said he will get back to us with those answers.
Also will batch1 customers be compensated for preordering early
If we can organize a list of questions, I can try getting answers.
Why don't you just submit a refund request?
What do you expect to get out of bitching and moaning?
I think he is expecting to get answers.
Just because he is asking questions does not mean he wants a refund, I know personally I want the equipment I paid for. I think most of us want to see this project succeed not die in the water but some people have to take responsibility for these missteps and lack of transparency.
You still have not addressed why jan 3 announcement was not made.
Also, it would've apparent to management that feb 24 target would be missed even if jan 3 target was met based on current timeline.
Who made decision to go ahead knowing targets would be missed, especially in light of the fact that difficulty increases is rising exponentially?
Until you tell us who is responsible, BA has not levelled with us in my eyes.
Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?
I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not have those answers. Also, it would've apparent to management that feb 24 target would be missed even if jan 3 target was met based on current timeline.
Who made decision to go ahead knowing targets would be missed, especially in light of the fact that difficulty increases is rising exponentially?
Until you tell us who is responsible, BA has not levelled with us in my eyes.
Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?
You still have not addressed why jan 3 announcement was not made.
Also, it would've apparent to management that feb 24 target would be missed even if jan 3 target was met based on current timeline.
Who made decision to go ahead knowing targets would be missed, especially in light of the fact that difficulty increases is rising exponentially?
Until you tell us who is responsible, BA has not levelled with us in my eyes.
Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?
I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not have those answers. Also, it would've apparent to management that feb 24 target would be missed even if jan 3 target was met based on current timeline.
Who made decision to go ahead knowing targets would be missed, especially in light of the fact that difficulty increases is rising exponentially?
Until you tell us who is responsible, BA has not levelled with us in my eyes.
Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?
Why don't you just submit a refund request?
What do you expect to get out of bitching and moaning?
You still have not addressed why jan 3 announcement was not made.
Also, it would've apparent to management that feb 24 target would be missed even if jan 3 target was met based on current timeline.
Who made decision to go ahead knowing targets would be missed, especially in light of the fact that difficulty increases is rising exponentially?
Until you tell us who is responsible, BA has not levelled with us in my eyes.
Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?
I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not have those answers. Also, it would've apparent to management that feb 24 target would be missed even if jan 3 target was met based on current timeline.
Who made decision to go ahead knowing targets would be missed, especially in light of the fact that difficulty increases is rising exponentially?
Until you tell us who is responsible, BA has not levelled with us in my eyes.
Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?
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