Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 277.

BlackArrow Matt

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Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on January 24, 2014, 08:26:12 PM

As for any updates, I'm trying to get a solid answer on where we're at. I'm going to start pressing the issue with our other teams. I will let you know what I find as quickly as possible. I'm sorry for the delays here, we've had a hectic few weeks.

Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on February 04, 2014, 01:43:14 AM

If we can organize a list of questions, I can try getting answers.

Gotta love Google!

You just quoted two of my posts that aren't even remotely related to each other. On the 25th I was getting bombarded with questions about where we're at with the process. I hadn't heard anything and said I'd try to figure out where we're at. This was before the announcement of our delay.

The recent post was in regards to people throwing all sorts of questions at me that I can not answer. If we can organize a list of 10-20 questions, I can try to get answers.

And otherwise... yes... gotta love google... ?

ChuckBuck

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That's what I'm waiting for also, to hear refund policy for Minersource customers.

Who wants a measly 25% increase in hashing power in May after Cointerra and KNC hit the network? (probably same time frame)

Doesn't seem like they want to do right by their customers. If I could apply that refund towards Bitmain now or Asicminer in March/April I will in a heartbeat.

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Quote from: DebitMe on February 04, 2014, 06:53:29 PM

People keep saying request a refund, which is what I am trying to do, but to my knowledge,minersource does not have a way to do this. So lets explore that channel and figure out a way to get me my money. If anyone wants to buy my x-3 and 8 x-1's please let me know. People will continue to request a refund until a channel is opened by which this can happen. If this launch will be as successful as it is still made out to be, then not many people will be requesting refunds and it shouldn't be a problem or break the bank.

And for those saying that BA can't swing anymore than 25%, that should matter very little. If you make customers happy with your product launch, you will be very well off on the future and make a ton of money, and if that means taking a loss now, well who cares. Make your customers happy and they will come back, but make your customers mad, and we won't be purchasing again in the future, and you will go broke.

You probably missed it due to all the garbage in this thread but bobsag said he will be talking with BA to clarify refunds soon.

And BA is dealing with refunds through their support ticket system I believe.

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@OleOle ... Mountains of Prosperos on Ebay Huh

Well... As far as I know, there are just 2 offers !

Once again... Why some people want to destroy BA with lies, wrong information, trying to scare every potentiel buyer ... When will know why these people are acting this way, then will know the hidden reasons of their behaviour !

By the way, I dont quit BA ... I do trust them being able to provide us what we funded !

Michel.

Apparently you can make a mountain out of 2 prosperos?

I can think of 2 reasons people would want to troll BA:

- They own antminers and don't want to get destroyed

- They are trolls who take pleasure in telling people how stupid they are for buying a product that happened to have delays

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Quote from: Lloydie on February 04, 2014, 06:21:25 PM

Quote from: tempestb on February 04, 2014, 06:18:17 PM

If BA could afford to give people double their hash or machines don't you think they'd of done this? They know how this works. They don't need someone to explain to them the difficulty rises every ten days stuff and so what was expected isn't going to be of the same value as 25% extra hash rate for four months. They know that. They just can't afford to give away double the machines or 100% extra hash is most likely the issue.

If they could, they would have sold 4TH miners instead of 2TH and still profit from it.

Very good points, which indicates that chip fabrication should not go ahead and refunds should be organised.

You pretend like you know what the difficulty will be in 2 months.

Why don't you just request a refund and quit bitching?

BA is not going to ship us hardware that cost $500 to manufacture when we paid $350 for it just because they are 2 months late. They will ship us hardware that meets the advertised specs and anything more is a generous gift.

If you don't want a 120gh/s device in ~2 months (which still happens to be the best priced) then you should request a refund as there is little chance you are going to get the 200% extra hashrate you feel you deserve.

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Quote from: tempestb on February 04, 2014, 06:18:17 PM

If BA could afford to give people double their hash or machines don't you think they'd of done this? They know how this works. They don't need someone to explain to them the difficulty rises every ten days stuff and so what was expected isn't going to be of the same value as 25% extra hash rate for four months. They know that. They just can't afford to give away double the machines or 100% extra hash is most likely the issue.

If they could, they would have sold 4TH miners instead of 2TH and still profit from it.

Very good points, which indicates that chip fabrication should not go ahead and refunds should be organised.

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If BA could afford to give people double their hash or machines don't you think they'd of done this? They know how this works. They don't need someone to explain to them the difficulty rises every ten days stuff and so what was expected isn't going to be of the same value as 25% extra hash rate for four months. They know that. They just can't afford to give away double the machines or 100% extra hash is most likely the issue.

If they could, they would have sold 4TH miners instead of 2TH and still profit from it.

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Quote from: CryptoGuy on February 04, 2014, 06:13:52 PM

I haven't read the last 5-6 pages yet but the one thing I keep thinking about is people who want a refund, BA will try and get someone to take over their pre-order. I feel this is the perfect attack to get people to scramble for a refund so these jokers can buy up as many batch 1 miners as they can. Again, this is speculation but it seems like they're trolling pretty hard.

I do not have an order, but I do have shares of a group buy. You are more than welcome to take them over at the original price. (It is a relatively small amount of money.) If you aren't interested in doing that, than how about you shut the fuck up with this ridiculous theory that everything is just fine and people pointing out the problems with this shady situation are "trolling" and trying to trick their way into a great deal.

The "great deal" is available to you right this very second. Do you want it or not?

CryptoGuy

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I haven't read the last 5-6 pages yet but the one thing I keep thinking about is people who want a refund, BA will try and get someone to take over their pre-order. I feel this is the perfect attack to get people to scramble for a refund so these jokers can buy up as many batch 1 miners as they can. Again, this is speculation but it seems like they're trolling pretty hard.

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As a batch 1 purchaser, the last thing I want BA to do is delay batch 2 orders. I also have a batch 2 order and know full well what I was expecting in terms of difficulty and delaying that purchase as well because others have suggested it will be ridiculous. Ship in order as quick as possible but dont delay on purpose.

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Please note BA chips will be non competitive versus AM chips from day one on power specs. Due to delay of two months, the chances of ROI, even with doubling of hash power, is remote.

Also, a one month tapeout delay has turned into a two month delivery delay. That part requires explanation. Plus the fact they kept quiet about the whole thing.

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Quote from: Lloydie on February 04, 2014, 05:56:35 PM

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Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on February 04, 2014, 01:25:50 AM

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Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?

I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not have those answers.

Note: not answered.

We need to find out, else legal enforcement will be next to impossible.

Enforcement will be what it will be, you can't wish it into being something else. The lack of transparency so far is telling though.

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Quote from: smooth on February 04, 2014, 05:36:00 PM

Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on February 04, 2014, 01:25:50 AM

Quote from: Lloydie on February 04, 2014, 01:24:08 AM

Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?

I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not have those answers.

Note: not answered.

We need to find out, else legal enforcement will be next to impossible.

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Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on February 04, 2014, 01:25:50 AM

Quote from: Lloydie on February 04, 2014, 01:24:08 AM

Also, who will be paying you in event minions are launched?

I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not have those answers.

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Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on February 04, 2014, 01:13:49 AM

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Quote from: Lloydie on February 04, 2014, 12:54:56 AM

Tell us who is running BA? Is it one person? Multiple people? Who pays your wages? And what is the address of the factory in Shenzhen?

Multiple people run the company. I don't know the address of the factory. That's a better question for Bobsag. I've never been to the factory.

Who pays you?

Since you're so insistent on this, I'll level with you. I won't get paid till after the release of the minion. I have a different full time job and I do this because I want to help Black Arrow. I don't want to get paid till the release of the minion so all funds could be used for development. So it's not just customers who are affected by this delay. I hope that answers your question.

The long term employees you hired (assumed, given the below's date), did they, too, opted to not get paid until the minion is produced along with having different full time jobs? Surely, you would have hired like-minded individuals like yourself, those that can juggle two full time jobs, thus having no issues with seeing a payday from the second one until a certain milestone is reached, otherwise having subordinates onboard possessing anything less would disrupt Black Arrow's entire operation, leaving myself, among others, outta of our second, third, fourth... job. And we're family.

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Quote from: Avadar on December 22, 2013, 05:36:08 PM

Yea blackarrow has been really bad letting people know were batches were. First they said batch 1 was closed, and were going into batch 2. Now there saying that batch 1 is open, but hey were shipping your units march 10, instead of February 24. It's pretty pathetic actually, to see this company with a good product, to have such terrible customer service. Instead of just hiring people for 2 dollars an hour, they would rather try and do it themselves, and at the end of the day it's just costing them some serious $ signs

Yeah, maybe we could hire children too!

Sarcasm aside, we're doing the best we can. As I explained before, we want to hire long term employees rather than hiring a few people, training them, then firing them when the rush is over. We're working on implementing automation that will allow for a much easier transaction via BTC. We're working on adding resellers. As time progresses, things will get better. I'm sorry that there is such a delay.

If you're still waiting for a reply to your ticket, please post it or PM it to me. I'll make a list and work on those first.

Just looked in on this thread again. At least they aren't erasing posts like before. All my posts warning people when this just started were erased so this turn of events unfortunately isn't surprising.

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Quote from: terrapinflyer on February 04, 2014, 04:22:45 PM

Quote from: dogjunior on February 04, 2014, 03:49:02 PM

Maybe Black Arrow needs to do what Cointerra is doing and give everyone a extra machine. So if you ordered one x-3 then they give you two x-3's.

I think you have a great idea, others have suggested the 100% compensation. I think that they should give us the batch 2 machines and push that batch back. It sucks for batch 2 but without batch 1 customers putting up the risk the 2nd batch would not have even happen. After they have production rolling Im sure that batch 2 will be out very fast.

The X-3 comes in two separate units. I would even settle for just an extra unit per X-3 ordered. If nothing else, you could probably hock that 1TH on ebay and make up some of your lost profit.

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To stay in the market, Black Arrow would have to match what Cointerra and KNC are offering.

Free rigs and free hosting vs. 25% more hashing power just seems paltry by comparison.

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Quote from: dogjunior on February 04, 2014, 03:49:02 PM

Maybe Black Arrow needs to do what Cointerra is doing and give everyone a extra machine. So if you ordered one x-3 then they give you two x-3's.

I think you have a great idea, others have suggested the 100% compensation. I think that they should give us the batch 2 machines and push that batch back. It sucks for batch 2 but without batch 1 customers putting up the risk the 2nd batch would not have even happen. After they have production rolling Im sure that batch 2 will be out very fast.

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Maybe Black Arrow needs to do what Cointerra is doing and give everyone a extra machine. So if you ordered one x-3 then they give you two x-3's.

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