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Topic: BlockBurner LLC - Crucible FPGA Scrypt Miner - Announcement Aug-19 - page 5. (Read 42404 times)

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ASIC for Scrypt is a long ways off, and Scrypt is more resistant to ASICs anyway so we'll see.

If you can do scrypt with an FPGA efficient you can do the same with ASICs. It's only a question of the minimal volume you have to produce/sell.

Unfortunately this is true. You should keep asic on the table even if its cost prohibitive you would want to plan for 2 years away.

Definitely. In the progression of things FPGA is just the next logical step for Scrypt as GPUs get cost prohibitive with the growth of the whole network. ASIC Scrypt will come someday but will probably be a little while yet as FPGAs are just hitting the table, as they once did for SHA machines. Or maybe by then something better will come along, who knows  Cool
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
ASIC for Scrypt is a long ways off, and Scrypt is more resistant to ASICs anyway so we'll see.

If you can do scrypt with an FPGA efficient you can do the same with ASICs. It's only a question of the minimal volume you have to produce/sell.

Unfortunately this is true. You should keep asic on the table even if its cost prohibitive you would want to plan for 2 years away.
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ASIC for Scrypt is a long ways off, and Scrypt is more resistant to ASICs anyway so we'll see.

If you can do scrypt with an FPGA efficient you can do the same with ASICs. It's only a question of the minimal volume you have to produce/sell.
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While it seems like an awesome idea...

No on all accounts.

Leave gpu scripting alone. Exploit another cryptoBTC currency. Script mining was damn near created to avoid fpga and asic. 


Trying to hold back technology advances for [insert reason] has never worked out well in the past for those trying hold it back.  An example of this is the horse buggy vs automobile transition.  Progress will be made and we will need to move on.  It may not be today or tomorrow but change will happen.  Embracing that change puts us in a better position.  I personally do have some $$ invested into GPU mining but am aware that I need to stay abreast of new technology or risk falling behind. 

Not saying I am happy/thrilled about change, but fighting it is almost always wasted effort.

   

This is just the natural progression. Eventually difficulty hits a height in GPU power that it becomes very difficult to scale to stay profitable with ever hungry GPUs that also put out an insane amount of heat. There is no choice but to move on to something else that is more efficient and/or more powerful.

ASIC for Scrypt is a long ways off, and Scrypt is more resistant to ASICs anyway so we'll see.

Sorry mrkubanftw, this is happening Grin
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As long as it's not ASIC it's ok. ASICs are game killers and destroyers of decentralized mining.

FPGA's never did a damage to Bitcoin mining, the best ones on the market are doing slightly more than usual cards. I can't see scrypt FPGA's breaking that ratio.
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While it seems like an awesome idea...

No on all accounts.

Leave gpu scripting alone. Exploit another cryptoBTC currency. Script mining was damn near created to avoid fpga and asic. 


Trying to hold back technology advances for [insert reason] has never worked out well in the past for those trying hold it back.  An example of this is the horse buggy vs automobile transition.  Progress will be made and we will need to move on.  It may not be today or tomorrow but change will happen.  Embracing that change puts us in a better position.  I personally do have some $$ invested into GPU mining but am aware that I need to stay abreast of new technology or risk falling behind. 

Not saying I am happy/thrilled about change, but fighting it is almost always wasted effort.

   
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Not interested in a preorder, but I would certainly buy at least one if/when you start rolling out working units.

I can understand your hesitation in an industry full of scamsters. Everyone who wants one of these will get one, pre-order or not  Smiley


Would you guys consider a kickstarter project?

It has crossed my mind looking at the various funding tools we have access to, though if we were going to go that route I would like to see it be a bitcoinstarter type of campaign. I havn't seen a platform for Litecoin yet (hint hint  Grin).

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good idea with the kickstarter proj
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
Really hope Operatr could give us a head start over Jasinlee fpga... I hope we are still leading  Smiley

I can't speak for Jasinlee beyond what he has publicly stated to the community, I have no desires to start a rumor mill. I hope they succeed as well, as it is only good for the network. It is great there are others taking the initiative. We'll let our work speak for itself Smiley

1. Do you think the market and community is ready for FPGA Litecoin?
Market, maybe. Community, YES! If you can pull better numbers per joule and come in cheaper on hardware cost vs gpu, people will eat em up!


2. Is there definite interest in FPGA Litecoin machines? Would you buy one if the price was reasonable? What is reasonable?
Yes!
Yes!
Free! That will depend on the output. What suckered me into pre-ordering a jala was the price point provide a LOT of hash for the money... If possible, make em scale. There are a ton of people who want to get in on crypto currency because of ideals or greed and typically it's easier to get your feet wet on any endevour if it does not require a second mortgage to do so.

3. Would you pre-order one to support first round funding for prototyping and first wave production?
Thats a hard one to call. I think that would tie in directly to price. Same with answer 2, it was easier to take a chance on a BFL pre-order because it was not a lot of money. Will I shell out $15k? Not on your life. Will I shell out $200 to be an early adopter? Probably.

Some thoughts: I LOVE the mere mention of escrow for funds on a pre-order on your site. If you just manage to do the opposite of everything BFL has done with their ASIC offerings, you will do very well for yourself.

I wish you luck

I find BFL's situation appalling, they are certainly a good example of what not to do Roll Eyes

When funding time comes we'll have a real number to hit to meet the requirement for a certain number of production units before receiving the funds, anything over would start the fund for batch 2.

We are eyeing a price/performance target similar to an upper end GPU, while being a lot less costly to operate long term.



What I have yet to see is either the BlockBurner team or jasinlee say "Oh yeah, we're genius cryptanalysts and found ways that scrypt(1024,1,1) can be calculated much faster and/or with significantly less logic than anyone else has figured out how to."

We'll, I can say watching the devs chat is like a different language to me, even with my own technical background. Our design is in progress, much of which currently is certainly centered on the best route to take on many specific aspects in regard to Scrypt hashing. I'm careful to release more information that we should, but I'm dying to give a proper update  Grin
Should I jump off a cliff covered in green jello?

Yes, but just for fun the entertainment of Youtube viewers everywhere.

Fixed that for you!

Well, anything for the cause  Cheesy

I've spoken with Enterpoint, http://enterpoint.co.uk/ and they have told me they are thinking about developing a Litecoin FPGA miner in the next couple months.

opps more competition, at the end is always who can finished the race faster..

We can always use more motivation Smiley



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Would you guys consider a kickstarter project?
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Not interested in a preorder, but I would certainly buy at least one if/when you start rolling out working units.
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
Operatr,
Thank you for taking the time to be as open as you are with your latest post, the community sincerely thanks you for that.

Regarding the "Crucible" can you comment on your expectations and goals?

In your OP and on the FAQ you state that you do not have any hashing details yet, but I and others here would like to know "Your" expectations and goals about the final design.

KH Goal: ??
Price per KH: ??
Any other goal details that you would like to share?
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A couple more details-

My LinkedIn profile

My real life face  Smiley
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I like to thank you for your sincere self introduction and your background. I feel that you are very passionate on things you work on as well as your involvement in your local community. I would like to said from that, I feel more confident how you approach things in general. Like to wish you all the best.
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Hi, Thanks for giving some insight about yourself. Great that you will move full speed a head on these projects. Looking forward to the FPGA Litecoin Miner soon  Smiley
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Seeing that there is huge interest in this product and the interest in pre ordering,
Would it be wise to set up pre order registration?

Allow names/details to be put down, once pre ordering comes around, those people who registered for the pre order get first lash/ or are locked in pending their approval, and if the price is not to their liking, then they can decline and that would free up a slot for someone else, there could be a time limit on how long a person who registered for the pre order has to accept the price, thus making it so no one holds up the whole process.

Lets say your first production run goal is X, accept pre order registration for 75% of X, leaving a guaranteed 25% available for new comers when pre orders go live.

Pre Order Registration will also give you insight into many people are interested, and give you a rough target number for your first production run.

Looking at the over all picture, with my business experience I reckon the method will work great, plus it's used by many businesses, especially in the concert sales ticket industry.

Already Sold, would order now if I could.

Just my two cents worth, No doubt you guys are working on a sales plan etc.

In an industry riddled with scammers and liars we're being very careful with our pre-order plans, this is an interesting option to consider when it comes time.

The design only exists on paper, I will make no illusions of this fact. The dev team is starting to dig into the more complex aspects.

I have seen a prototype UI interface, though until it is actually functioning with cgminer at it's heart I won't be releasing any details just yet.


The software division has been formed consisting of Kano on cgminer support and programming, as well as babcoccl heading the GUI interface side.


Monday marks week 5 as we pile deeper into the details and becoming a legal entity in the state of Montana.

One detail that I can release today: I have decided a name for our new line

Welcome to Crucible FPGA  Cool
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Seeing that there is huge interest in this product and the interest in pre ordering,
Would it be wise to set up pre order registration?

Allow names/details to be put down, once pre ordering comes around, those people who registered for the pre order get first lash/ or are locked in pending their approval, and if the price is not to their liking, then they can decline and that would free up a slot for someone else, there could be a time limit on how long a person who registered for the pre order has to accept the price, thus making it so no one holds up the whole process.

Lets say your first production run goal is X, accept pre order registration for 75% of X, leaving a guaranteed 25% available for new comers when pre orders go live.

Pre Order Registration will also give you insight into many people are interested, and give you a rough target number for your first production run.

Looking at the over all picture, with my business experience I reckon the method will work great, plus it's used by many businesses, especially in the concert sales ticket industry.

Already Sold, would order now if I could.

Just my two cents worth, No doubt you guys are working on a sales plan etc.
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Really hope Operatr could give us a head start over Jasinlee fpga... I hope we are still leading  Smiley

I can't speak for Jasinlee beyond what he has publicly stated to the community, I have no desires to start a rumor mill. I hope they succeed as well, as it is only good for the network. It is great there are others taking the initiative. We'll let our work speak for itself Smiley

1. Do you think the market and community is ready for FPGA Litecoin?
Market, maybe. Community, YES! If you can pull better numbers per joule and come in cheaper on hardware cost vs gpu, people will eat em up!


2. Is there definite interest in FPGA Litecoin machines? Would you buy one if the price was reasonable? What is reasonable?
Yes!
Yes!
Free! That will depend on the output. What suckered me into pre-ordering a jala was the price point provide a LOT of hash for the money... If possible, make em scale. There are a ton of people who want to get in on crypto currency because of ideals or greed and typically it's easier to get your feet wet on any endevour if it does not require a second mortgage to do so.

3. Would you pre-order one to support first round funding for prototyping and first wave production?
Thats a hard one to call. I think that would tie in directly to price. Same with answer 2, it was easier to take a chance on a BFL pre-order because it was not a lot of money. Will I shell out $15k? Not on your life. Will I shell out $200 to be an early adopter? Probably.

Some thoughts: I LOVE the mere mention of escrow for funds on a pre-order on your site. If you just manage to do the opposite of everything BFL has done with their ASIC offerings, you will do very well for yourself.

I wish you luck

I find BFL's situation appalling, they are certainly a good example of what not to do Roll Eyes

When funding time comes we'll have a real number to hit to meet the requirement for a certain number of production units before receiving the funds, anything over would start the fund for batch 2.

We are eyeing a price/performance target similar to an upper end GPU, while being a lot less costly to operate long term.



What I have yet to see is either the BlockBurner team or jasinlee say "Oh yeah, we're genius cryptanalysts and found ways that scrypt(1024,1,1) can be calculated much faster and/or with significantly less logic than anyone else has figured out how to."

We'll, I can say watching the devs chat is like a different language to me, even with my own technical background. Our design is in progress, much of which currently is certainly centered on the best route to take on many specific aspects in regard to Scrypt hashing. I'm careful to release more information that we should, but I'm dying to give a proper update  Grin
Should I jump off a cliff covered in green jello?

Yes, but just for fun the entertainment of Youtube viewers everywhere.

Fixed that for you!

Well, anything for the cause  Cheesy

I've spoken with Enterpoint, http://enterpoint.co.uk/ and they have told me they are thinking about developing a Litecoin FPGA miner in the next couple months.

opps more competition, at the end is always who can finished the race faster..

We can always use more motivation Smiley



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sr. member
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I've spoken with Enterpoint, http://enterpoint.co.uk/ and they have told me they are thinking about developing a Litecoin FPGA miner in the next couple months.

opps more competition, at the end is always who can finished the race faster..
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I've spoken with Enterpoint, http://enterpoint.co.uk/ and they have told me they are thinking about developing a Litecoin FPGA miner in the next couple months.
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