Topic: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) - page 28. (Read 132857 times)

You are not. However you choose to ignore and refuse to condemn the campaign of bile, vitriol and FUD against every other cryptonote coin by Monero trolls and shills.
It is obvious to everyone else on this forum that their actions are not only damaging the whole cryptonote ecosystem but also your work in developing Monero.

Its called Karma and you don't seem to be enjoying the reaction! 

Typical ivory tower complex - when clever people know they're clever and know what they're saying is (mostly) factual they tend to present it from the top of their ivory tower. Often they forget that there are other clever people also sitting in ivory towers, and all they do is shout loudly over each other;) That having been said, if you can wade past the douchebag behaviour there are many things I can't fault OP on or outrightly disprove.

The author of this post is NOT involved with Monero in any way. I cannot refute some or even most of his findings, but I certainly disagree with the vitriolic voracity with which it is delivered. He is exceedingly angry, and that is at odds with the way any members of the Monero core team view CryptoNote or Bytecoin.

I can only find the one comment that smooth made recently in the Bytecoin thread, and I don't think there is a fundamental problem with engaging cross-thread. We harbour no ill-will against Bytecoin, so to label a tongue-in-cheek comment as "trolling" is a bit of a stretch, don't you agree? I know it's a fine line, but I don't think we're being purposely obtuse or abrasive.

As to those involved with Monero who you label "Monero trolls", we simply cannot control anyone. People are going to say good things and bad things about Monero, and it is not our responsibility or in our best interest to attempt to stifle free speech. There will always be people that passionate like or passionately hate Monero, and that's a good thing, as it encourages intense debate. For those that cross the line to trolling or excessive pandering, I apologise for their behaviour on behalf of the core team. We do not condone it, but we are also not in a position to be able to stop it. Please accept my personal apology as well if the behaviour of anyone even peripherally involved with Monero has offended you in any way.

You are not. However you choose to ignore and refuse to condemn the campaign of bile, vitriol and FUD against every other cryptonote coin by Monero trolls and shills.
It is obvious to everyone else on this forum that their actions are not only damaging the whole cryptonote ecosystem but also your work in developing Monero.

Its called Karma and you don't seem to be enjoying the reaction! 

The author of this post is NOT involved with Monero in any way. I cannot refute some or even most of his findings, but I certainly disagree with the vitriolic voracity with which it is delivered. He is exceedingly angry, and that is at odds with the way any members of the Monero core team view CryptoNote or Bytecoin.

I can only find the one comment that smooth made recently in the Bytecoin thread, and I don't think there is a fundamental problem with engaging cross-thread. We harbour no ill-will against Bytecoin, so to label a tongue-in-cheek comment as "trolling" is a bit of a stretch, don't you agree? I know it's a fine line, but I don't think we're being purposely obtuse or abrasive.

As to those involved with Monero who you label "Monero trolls", we simply cannot control anyone. People are going to say good things and bad things about Monero, and it is not our responsibility or in our best interest to attempt to stifle free speech. There will always be people that passionate like or passionately hate Monero, and that's a good thing, as it encourages intense debate. For those that cross the line to trolling or excessive pandering, I apologise for their behaviour on behalf of the core team. We do not condone it, but we are also not in a position to be able to stop it. Please accept my personal apology as well if the behaviour of anyone even peripherally involved with Monero has offended you in any way.

I am not - please let me know where I've been purposely abrasive, tongue-in-cheek poking notwithstanding.

You are being disingenuous - Why?

The Monero trolls are everywhere, every coin thread Cryptonote or not, and why the fuck would I want to buy a coin when current coin owners are so desperate they feel the need to troll so dam much. Even smooth trolling the Bytecoin thread so fucking hard and he's part of the Monero team..seriously where do you guys get the time to troll so much? And you're actually hurting XMR not helping, it's just making this whole cluster fuck surrounding Cryptonote coins worse.

I can only find the one comment that smooth made recently in the Bytecoin thread, and I don't think there is a fundamental problem with engaging cross-thread. We harbour no ill-will against Bytecoin, so to label a tongue-in-cheek comment as "trolling" is a bit of a stretch, don't you agree? I know it's a fine line, but I don't think we're being purposely obtuse or abrasive.

And fuck Bytecoin but I don't see their trolls in any threads, they aren't even here defending their scam. The Monero trolls are all over everywhere arrogantly attacking anything no Monero and insulting anyone who doesn't praise Monero as being the pinnacle of crypto currency.

Greetings to all the members of the CryptoNote community and those who are interested in the technology. This message is our response to the recent developments and speculations within the CN community. Before we get to the point we’d like to reassert our firm commitment to the long-standing philosophy behind CryptoNote. Everything we do is for the sake of technology, and we take great joy as we progress towards our goal.

The initial efforts at CryptoNote development go back as far as 4 years. Some great minds were involved in its creation. More than two years ago the first implementations of CN technology were unleashed on the world of cryptocurrencies and from that moment forward the community that was forged around our vision and values grew exponentially.

What is currently going on within the CN community hardly resembles the harmonious state of mutual respect and synergy that once ruled over the CN coins. Someone clearly is instigating hostility. Moreover, the CryptoNote website has recently been exposed to illegal access by malicious users, which is absolutely unacceptable. Some data stored on cryptonote.org have been vandalized and is now temporary unavailable until the internal investigation is completed.

Having thoroughly reviewed the situation around certain CN currencies, the CryptoNote team would like to issue the following statement:

• It is the official position of CryptoNote that our technology has been created to bring positive changes into the current financial system by providing tools that have never existed before. The technology is what concerns us the most. We are not to be distracted or misled by the speculative rumors and strongly suggest you to follow suit.

• CryptoNote is not a cryptocurrency and has not been designed to be one. The only CryptoNote currency that the CryptoNote team officially endorses is CryptoNoteCoin, which has zero commercial value and serves educational purposes only.

• We consider all the name-calling and finger-pointing that has taken place on certain internet discussions as inappropriate and harmful to further development of the CryptoNote technology.
Over the years CryptoNote has had to overcome a great number of obstacles but those striving so desperately to deter the advance of new technologies are doomed to fail. We are strong believers in the power of innovation and there is no way to stop the CN development.
Discussion thread: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=265&p=883#p883

Mindblowing.

Good work rethink-your-strategy.

the page www.bytecoin.org shows also entries from 2012 that were not there last year:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

so your link does also not proof, that this page was availabe. I am talking from ANOTHER page but the fakey bytecoin.org.

XMR has the biggest volume on poloniex and its the only coin that can rightfully replace bitcoin, it doesnt matter if you like it or not, XMR doesnt need your endorsement to keep growing, and it will.
Plus the fact you bash all CN coins and point only to "trolling" on Bytecoin threads, when the Bytecoin trolls are the worst pack of internet lemmings out there shows how biased you are, no one will take you seriously, Monero already decoupled from being merely another altcoin on a Bitcointalk thread, it now feeds on haters hate like Bitcoin...

... lots of nonsense.

There is a thread for general Monero fund-raising here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monero-community-hall-of-fame-700400.

Just to be clear on this, though, you just wrote in the BBR thread:

That doesn't mean it's not volunteer, but XMR clearly does have a somewhat organized "community relations" (aka, PR) effort.

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Any donation page to make Monero PR more organized? Let's work together toward the goal.

I'm not sure what kind of drugs you're taking but most of what I read in the original post were verified facts. Yes there was one "conjecture" section, clearly labeled as such. But things like domain registrations, email providers, PDF signatures with false dates, references that didn't exist on the date written on a paper, etc. Those were all verified facts. The OP did his homework. You would do well to do the same.

EDIT: Also, let me make one thing clear. Unlike some of the other coins mentioned on this thread (verified fact, BTW), Monero has basically no organized PR. (I say "basically" because the last time I said no PR someone threw it in my face because apparently there was some kind of PR effort at one point, so minor hat I frankly have no idea what they did, if anything. But in no way whatsoever are we "managed" or image crafted or given talking points or any of that shit.) It's all What You See Is What You Get. A bunch of guys working as volunteers on a community project giving their personal opinions. If you don't like it, well too bad. That's how it is.

This seems pretty off topic for BBR, but the short answer is that we feel both coding and community relations (which includes but is not limited to effective two-way participation on the bitcointalk forums) are extremely important, along with several other functions. We have organized our project to effectively manage all of these.