Topic: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) - page 29. (Read 132873 times)

I'm not sure what kind of drugs you're taking but most of what I read in the original post were verified facts. Yes there was one "conjecture" section, clearly labeled as such. But things like domain registrations, email providers, PDF signatures with false dates, references that didn't exist on the date written on a paper, etc. Those were all verified facts. The OP did his homework. You would do well to do the same.

EDIT: Also, let me make one thing clear. Unlike some of the other coins mentioned on this thread (verified fact, BTW), Monero has basically no organized PR. (I say "basically" because the last time I said "no PR" someone threw it in my face because apparently there was some kind of PR effort at one point, so minor hat I frankly have no idea what they did, if anything. But in no way whatsoever are we "managed" or image crafted or given talking points or any of that shit.) It's all What You See Is What You Get. A bunch of guys working as volunteers on a community project giving their personal opinions. If you don't like it, well too bad. That's how it is.

Please mention the so called accounts and proof it.

I am pretty sure no one talks like me here except maybe other germans/austrians who might do the same grammar mistakes.

Unverified facts against whom?

I don´t believe that you have no other account here, who are you?

PS: no need to pm me, i know it.

I am not very surprised that this thread has been designed to be Monero's PR campaign. I'm not really into posting on forums, but I've been watching XMR PR closely for some time and I have something to add to this insanity. Based on the writing styles I'm pretty sure that certain accounts in this thread are maintained by a much smaller group of people led by a decent PR expert. I was not really into saying anything... until the 12th page where shit becomes totally ridiculous.

Beg me pardon gentlemen but that is what we may call ninja-PR. For those unfamiliar with the basics here's a small cookbook.


Monero ninja-PR cookbook, recipe 24

First, you use unverified facts to discredit every single CryptoNote currency (regardless of the real facts) and CryptoNote itself.

Second, a couple of your talking heads and a few of your "supporters" attack each and every CryptoNote coin supporters that enter this thread. Regardless of facts, perfectly clear opinions, and logic. Just act aggressively, blame them, make them explain themselves, and you're good. And don't forget to troll.

Third, you start flooding the thread with irrelevant posts to weaken the contrast between steps 2 and 4. Better let the topic stop being hot before you proceed with this step though.

Fourth, you make amateur unexpectedly positive statements about Monero's perspectives. But you better lay it on your "supporters", you're not supposed to be controlling their actions, right? And of course you may go back to the first point, rethink your strategy, and let the "third party" tell the "truth".

Fifth, you walk into the thread like a boss and give a couple of smart short statements that your PR agent has prepared for this small chat on the thread. Maybe the media will like it, who knows.


So?

Little bit too obvious, really. You're not bad guys, you're just acting horribly. Stop being so arrogant, it's going to kill the whole idea, seriously.

It's beyond me. Soon to be on a previous page, anyway.

Pretty sure any dev working on any non-scamcoin project is being made more poor(at least in the short run) by choosing to spend their time working for minimal(if any) compensation rather than taking jobs that would pay them probably an order of magnitude more money.

Unless one of these new IPO coins that are raising hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars actually turns out to not be a scam...

To be honest, re-thinking my strategy right now.

I do hope it's only "not yet". Forgot to place second part of my post under the quotes, since it's from the same page but I assure you my reply was made in a humorous manner. Thanks.

I am not sure what you think this foolish passive aggressive campaign is going to do...  but you are really wasting your time posting on all your accounts here.

As one of the Monero Core Team members I can assure you that Monero has not "made me rich". It's a nice assertion, though.

It's a simple truth. The fact is that XMR can make you rich.

That thread makes no sense whatsoever. It presents zero facts, and has nothing more than a couple of pointless one-liners.

*I* believe in Monero because I know what it can become, but don't overstate what it is - "Monero is as profitable as gold", lol seriously:)

Who cares if its true or not as long it is written. And right now, after successfully defeated all of it opponents, Monero is ready for the moon!

For fudsters and doubters on why is Monero best CN coin:

https://monerotalk.org/t/why-is-monero-the-best-cryptonote-coin/21/10

let me answer you in short terms:
1. duckNote is not an amateur coin.
2. Crypto scene is not limited to one country, continent or even the whole World. Do you really think that such a technology like CryptoNote will lay aside and hide from the eyes? i do not think so.
3. We found CryptoNote technology, we looked at its Roots and we found Bytecoin inside. We started base code research, it took some time to dive deep in that technology, but when we were done, we presented duckNote. And we are absolutely serious about it.
4. "Hats off to BCN developers" and everyone who will make such a codebase public and open source. Again, we care only about "root code" and we could not fail to mention Bytecoin, because duckNote is Bytecoin`s fork like any other CN cryptocurrency, and the technology is separated from Bitcoin.
5. "now they are really pushing, no way if they were unrelated to CN team they would say " 2 years aged CryptoNote technology", it starts to sound very forceful".
em whaat?
we forked Bytecoin, hope you got it. yes we are. we made it. Bytecoin exist for 2 years, because we can see it in blockcain, are we? Yes, we are. And it works, that was the main and only measure when we were choosing codebase for duckNote.
But we do not know for sure how long does CryptoNote exist so we can`t say for sure.

P.S. We are not in your battle here, sorry, truly i did not read the whole forum topic here and do not understand your issues with duckNote. I hope those who do not like duckNote now, will like it in future. We keep hard work, thank you for your support.

Excellent detective work, good job OP!

I found it extremely fishy that Bytecoin claimed to have been around for a couple of years yet nobody on these forums heard of it until it started to be traded.

Just another crypto scam, why am I not surprised.

10 minutes may be too long, 1 minute may be too short.  But both of those are based on circumstances of today.
In 10 years, 1 minute may seem too long too.

This is a significant challenge with may factors that weigh in different directions.
1) Susceptibility to manipulation with variance in hash rates.
2) transaction volume handling
3) speed of transaction closure
4) size of block chain
5) number of transactions per block capacity
6) usefullness in point-of-sale transactions
and quite a few other factors.

Devising a future-proof algorithm that balances all the factors is elusive.  Satoshi didn't wait for it, and bless him for that.


In the end it always comes down to a guess, and pretty much no one is guessing LONGER than 10 minutes, so going an order of magnitude shorter, with a reasonable stab at an algorithm that takes into account a bunch of these factors to greater and lesser degrees is a valuable thing for our little experiment in alternative currency fabrication.

Thank you for the correction. I have edited my posts above.

pfo was the initial author of the Mac wallet for QuazarCoin. A few days later he uploaded the version for Monero.

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We had been running tests for quite a while as we wanted to present it officially only after the release of the Win wallet.  

Furthermore, look closely pfo had been introduced a long time ago as one of the QCN developers.

Read my posts up thread. Nobody thought 60 second blocks were a good idea. TFT ignored everyone and launched bitMonero with it anyway.

Ah, right. I overlooked pfo, my apologies.

Well, should all QCN be is just a caretaking job, it's a very stupid way to cash out if this is all pointing to a scam. Cashing out now would be painful for them, the price is at its lowest point so far.

But you have swayed me a little bit: Either its not a scam as I've thought all along or something more is going on behind the scenes than what we see now. Or the QCN dev is just an idiot.