Did that person was able to claim his two prizes for those contests? That's abuse and usually, the complaints that we see on the forum coming from newbies are like from this type of abuse.
It actually depends on the rules of the contest. If the rules stated "no user can win double prizes", it is clearly an abuse to claim 2 prizes. But if no statement limiting the opportunity to win for each user/participant, I don't think claiming 2 prizes is abuse. But to be fair, commonly in every contest, the winning opportunity of each participant should be limited. Regarding the newbies, sometimes they don't read the rules carefully or know them clearly.
Topic: Bonus Abuse: Who is to Blame? - page 2. (Read 1464 times)
I dont see how it can be the customers fault, presuming they are not massively plotting and professionally planning theft via being fraudulent. Almost always the business has a greater duty of care and ability to accommodate all avenues a customer might take on a website while being a customer or is this case claiming a bonus. It doesnt pay to really deter customers while they obviously have to prevent any exploit that might occur, its a given people will always try to get a 'special bonus' that may never have been intended, we arent surprised by this surely and its a workload most types of business have to deal with.
There are three things that may happen when a bonus exploit or glitch happens to open its opportunity.
1. Player can report the glitch or the possible bonus exploit.
2. Player can take advantage of these glitches or bonus exploit.
3. Player won't mind and ignore it.
Once the player started to exploit the bonus or glitch, the plan is automatically present there. It doesn't matter if it was professionally done or not. Once a player started exploiting the bonus, the player is automatically guilty of charges. And should be blamed for his action when proven guilty as charged.
I dont see how it can be the customers fault, presuming they are not massively plotting and professionally planning theft via being fraudulent. Almost always the business has a greater duty of care and ability to accommodate all avenues a customer might take on a website while being a customer or is this case claiming a bonus. It doesnt pay to really deter customers while they obviously have to prevent any exploit that might occur, its a given people will always try to get a 'special bonus' that may never have been intended, we arent surprised by this surely and its a workload most types of business have to deal with.
There are three things that may happen when a bonus exploit or glitch happens to open its opportunity.
1. Player can report the glitch or the possible bonus exploit.
2. Player can take advantage of these glitches or bonus exploit.
3. Player won't mind and ignore it.
Once the player started to exploit the bonus or glitch, the plan is automatically present there. It doesn't matter if it was professionally done or not. Once a player started exploiting the bonus, the player is automatically guilty of charges. And should be blamed for his action when proven guilty as charged.
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Yes, casinos will always try to control their users but this is not always possible since people involved in this kind of abuse are constantly improving their skills because their earnings depend on it. In my opinion this struggle will never end, as online games cannot create a system that would identify users with 100% probability. I do not think something in this is guilty, because it is a struggle of technology.
I've seen same person having two accounts winning in wager contests. It is their ability and they're sticking to the casino's terms and conditions.
Did that person was able to claim his two prizes for those contests? That's abuse and usually, the complaints that we see on the forum coming from newbies are like from this type of abuse.When they explain it to the community, it seems that they have never done something such as cheating. But when a representative from the casino they're complaining, and they're able to be traced based on their account and activity, they're busted out for cheating.
I dont see how it can be the customers fault, presuming they are not massively plotting and professionally planning theft via being fraudulent. Almost always the business has a greater duty of care and ability to accommodate all avenues a customer might take on a website while being a customer or is this case claiming a bonus. It doesnt pay to really deter customers while they obviously have to prevent any exploit that might occur, its a given people will always try to get a 'special bonus' that may never have been intended, we arent surprised by this surely and its a workload most types of business have to deal with.
I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.
None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.
None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.
Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.
Even casinos who has lower wagering requirements like 2x to 5x are well ahead of most gamblers because they know the gamblers mentality and bonuses are kinda like a bait to start gambling.Most people say I am depositing 500 dollars and getting 1000 dollars is good as a bonus so I am playing that 500 extra to get the wagering requirements past and win some money and that is good reasoning as a start.However the thing that they don't realize is that the house edge is there to bust most of the gamblers and that is why the bonuses are well planned and executed by most casinos.
I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
First of all, before they think of distributing the bonus, they must have an idea of how to organize their events, how can abusers will abuse the bonus and there should be mechanics on how to get the bonus. Because for me, abusers were always there if a casino has an organized team and bonuses, it will not easily abuse and it should be passed by the game mechanics in able to get a bonus.
I agree with you, blaming the casino operator because someone is caught abusing the Casino bonus is just a complete bullcrap (no offence). It is like saying it is ok to rob a house because he left his door open when going out. Besides, as @lionheart78 stated, there are agreement between the player and the casino which prohibits acts of cheating or exploiting. So this already nullify the claim that it is the casino's fault of letting its program be exploited.
I saw many promotions abused by people, in most cases casinos had low requirements and many just saw the opportunity for making a few bucks in an easy way! In such cases, there's no one else to be blamed than casinos and teams behind. But I also see there are some professional abusers around, they are looking for new ways all the time, whatever security measures casinos make they will find a way to bypass it. So it's like the neverending war in my opinion, and all that makes it hard for us normal and honest players, more and more control.
Good hearted people will never have difficulty in resisting temptation as this if not in a dire situation at least. Only those who have greedy hearts and wicked mind can do this kind of thing regularly without any hesitation or every time an opportunity appears. What worst than these people are the person who tolerates it, IMHO.
I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.
None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.
None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.
Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.
They might be aware of it however I doubt that they would just let it slide. Bonus abusers doesn't really provide or attract more traffic or potential users or gamblers on the platform, instead what they attract are more bonus abusers.
Gambling platforms or casinos will try to act or do something about it once the loss overcome the profit that these bonuses produce. In short, they'll either remove the bonus or alter some information or prerequisites to avoid their bonus to be abused.
Gambling platforms or casinos will try to act or do something about it once the loss overcome the profit that these bonuses produce. In short, they'll either remove the bonus or alter some information or prerequisites to avoid their bonus to be abused.
I agree with you, abusers only attract more abusers leaving less room for those players looking to legitimately participate on the casino.
While in collegue, for example, there were some guys who were a bit into cryptocurrency and back in the day they spent much of our resting hours discussing exploits and ways to abuse platforms that offered bonuses to newcomers or those who successfully invited new people to their services. I recall they found a way to abuse Brave internet browser and the wallet called Airtm, both used to offer bonuses in their affiliating program.
I believe however, casinos must be aware of what they can or cant do to keep the cheaters away but not punish the legit glambers out the bonuses, if possible.
So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.
Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Gambling platforms or casinos will try to act or do something about it once the loss overcome the profit that these bonuses produce. In short, they'll either remove the bonus or alter some information or prerequisites to avoid their bonus to be abused.
So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.
Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.
I think this somehow favours the gambling website despite the "bonus abuse" thad had been going around.
Generally, a player would be able to receive the bonus after topping-up a certain amount of $$$ and actually winning a gambling game. Though this bonus can be abused by creating multiple accounts in order to work, it still involves the element of attempting to play the game in which the result may go sideways. Either the player wins and receives the bonus; or the online gambling website wins and retains the cash.
It just so happened that there are players who have tons of $$$ at their disposal to the point that they can abuse and win money that is beyond their initial investment.
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Yes, casinos will always try to control their users but this is not always possible since people involved in this kind of abuse are constantly improving their skills because their earnings depend on it. In my opinion this struggle will never end, as online games cannot create a system that would identify users with 100% probability. I do not think something in this is guilty, because it is a struggle of technology.
So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.
Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
Yes I am thinking sometimes that they are already knew it or they are also aware of it, they just let it slide so that many people will create account in their website and will give them larger traffic like the way they are planning, but they also know how much losses it will come back to them, so it means they already have the estimated amount of it, I think right now there's no one to blame with.
If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...
I don't know about you but there are a lot of prosperous countries where you just leave your stuff lying around without it being taken/stolen.That's what I'm talking about. You can leave your stuff on the street, or you can even lose it somewhere in the park and people will return it to you.
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We have the right and the full responsibility to protect what we have and that is why casinos owners need to do routine check to make sure that there casinos is properly safe for all and I term of bonus abuse so that this will not affect other users.
We have the right and the full responsibility to protect what we have and that is why casinos owners need to do routine check to make sure that there casinos is properly safe for all and I term of bonus abuse so that this will not affect other users.
Actually, with reputable casinos you shouldn't worry much about your safety there. You can relax and just play, your safety is on auto-pilot there. Don't break the rules and you'll be OK.
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Any protection system is not perfect, but casinos continue to give bonuses, because even if half of the money goes to scammers, the remaining half will go to attract new players. The final result is important - if such a waste is profitable, then the casino goes for it. Star spending and celebrity partnerships are also very expensive, but they are profitable in the end. It's the same here.
Any protection system is not perfect, but casinos continue to give bonuses, because even if half of the money goes to scammers, the remaining half will go to attract new players. The final result is important - if such a waste is profitable, then the casino goes for it. Star spending and celebrity partnerships are also very expensive, but they are profitable in the end. It's the same here.
So assuming there is no flawless security system, then the bonus abusers are the only ones to blame on the eventual losses of casinos, but i also believe that before offering very appealing bonuses to new players those platforms should be aware of the potential weaknesses their systems may have, study the losses they could suffer in order to adjust the terms and conditions before launching a bonus campaign, at least this way they may know what to expect in terms of loss/benefit ratio.
Even though this marketing strategy ends up being profitable and it is a success for casinos to attract new gamblers that does not mean the search for better ways to decrease bonus abuse should stop.
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Yes, casinos will always try to control their users but this is not always possible since people involved in this kind of abuse are constantly improving their skills because their earnings depend on it. In my opinion this struggle will never end, as online games cannot create a system that would identify users with 100% probability. I do not think something in this is guilty, because it is a struggle of technology.
To many casino abuse happen before so they need to consider to add more preventive measure on possible abuse that may done by certain people. If they cannot provide security towards this issue then maybe we can say that the team behind them is incompetent and cannot be trusted since if they create mistake for that for sure they may have a lapses for more bigger ones.
Casinos will have their own way of dealing with cases of abuse of bonuses given to their members. Starting from checking the account of each member suspected of abusing the bonus to blocking the account of a member suspected of doing so. Checking regularly or continuously on its members will help the casino to find out which member accounts violate its rules. The casino will also be careful in checking and will ensure that they will penalize their members who violate the rules to get the bonus.It all depends on monitoring whether those people could able to make out some withdrawal or successfully able to snip out some funds or would be caught up immediately
midway which would cause on locked up funds which would be a good call but it wouldnt be the case most of the time.
I'm sure the casino will constantly monitor every activity of its members to ensure that everything is still under their control and no one is trying to violate it. And if someone is caught trying to cheat, the casino will act tough.
Of course, it is the abusers that are to be mainly blamed. But casinos being abused are also part of the blame even if they are innocent because they are supposed to make it clear that promotions are should be free from possible abuses. Fraudsters are everywhere and they will take advantage of every possible way they can.
This is also the reason why many casinos wanted to implement KYC. But another option is to let non-KYC clients gamble but exempted from some promotions that are difficult to track.
Don't be naive casinos are not poor innocent victims, and most of their promotions can't be abused by multi-accounts. If you offer 10% bonus on a game, there is absolutely no advantage in having several accounts. Wagering 5 mBTC on one account and wagering 5 mBTC on another one won't give you anything more than wagering 10 mBTC on one single account. Moreover many casinos are offering ranking bonuses, then cheaters are missing those bonuses by playing on several accounts.This is also the reason why many casinos wanted to implement KYC. But another option is to let non-KYC clients gamble but exempted from some promotions that are difficult to track.
In addition, making profits at a casino is very rare, even with promotions and cheaters can lose their funds if the casino spots them.
So I don't believe them when they claim to be abused like that. In most cases, it's a free excuse to ban or to restrict accounts of winning players.
I said "even if innocent" because these casinos didn't expect that some of their promotions are open to the possibility of abuse. And you just said, "most of their promotions can't be abused...". So you understand that some of their promotions were abused. So did those casinos expect the abuse? The simple answer is no.
Some casinos I encountered especially the new ones offer some free bets and some offer some limited free games which can also win real money. These kinds of promotions are the ones that can be easily exploited. BitLucy for example said they were shocked by the unexpected turn of events when their promotion was severely abused.
When talking about this, I think there is no need to blame anyone because indeed the gambling place is holding an event like that, so of course they already know something like this will happen, the most important thing is that the programmers can anticipate problems like this or not, maybe bonuses can be obtained when they are done. make a deposit with a certain balance and there is a minimum of play done so it will be a bit safer.
And they have the authority to delay or not distribute the rewards for those cheaters that have been found by the system. That's how it should be because they have a system where it tracks players' activities.It will be an easy thing for them and the one to blame is really depending on the case if it's isolated or not. So to those that are saying that it should be the casino that must be blamed, everyone will come up with that idea if it's already pestering a lot of customers.
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