Bonus Abuse: Who is to Blame? - page 7.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes?

The fact remains that you can't outsmart anyone in spy of you unknowingly to you, one befomes their target and they finds every means to ensure a successful penetration, buy building a system that is security conscious is a good blow on hackers and fraudster as this will offer them a threat, same applies to building a house with weak concretes, it will surely collapse at the sight of little attack because of it little security measures in place,

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

Not a big problem, tho

Most of this "bonuses" are cheap tricks in fact. I've seen a lot of such "you need to wagger 20 btc and you will get your bonus money to withdraw" things.

So if you cheating a little, this not make you bad

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Abusing bonus by doing something fraud or cheats is a mistake and this is a criminal moreover to get money from others or certain platforms. This will not be good not only for the platform but also for other users because it may decrease the chance for others to get the bonus. On the other hands, the developers of the platforms should also increase the security from this kind of abuse although it may not be easy. This will always happens, that is why many platforms make more strict regulations about the bonus claims and withdrawal.
If we are talking who is mistaken, The fraud people did, but it becomes also a warn for platform to be more careful

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Quote from: harizen on June 17, 2022, 02:38:18 AM

Quote from: Reatim on June 17, 2022, 12:32:46 AM

That's why it is called Bonus because each players are entitled to take them out , but it is not a reason to abuse them , meaning if you are giving a bonus just use on the limit the site has given and not to extend the advantage once we find a leak or some irregularities to the site.
so I believe that Both are to blame here, it is the team who does not secure their site? and the players who take advantage of the situation .

I just came to realize that bonus abuse isn't really because of the site's lack and poor security but rather there are flaws in the Terms. Sometimes the site thinks that everything is smooth but as always, abusers will really find a way to take advantage of those flaws. They will just realize that something not right is happening after several weeks or even months.

As far as I know, bonus abuse is often accompanied by multi-accounting and many casinos declared multi-accounting isn't allowed and that doing so is against their Terms of Service. There are also mention of promotional abuse to be a ground for account termination.

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11. Prohibited Uses
PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Users may not create multiple accounts for the purpose of collusion, sports betting and/or abuse of service.

source: https://stake.com/policies/terms

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Termination
We may terminate or suspend Your Account immediately, without prior notice or liability, for any reason whatsoever, including without limitation if You breach these Terms and Conditions.

Any attempts to commit fraud against the Website, the Company, or another Customer of our Services will result in an immediate termination of your Account on duelbits.com. This includes fraud and attempted fraud against our users via Steam or Cryptocurrency wallets or abusing promotions on or for duelbits.com or free on-site credit gifts.

Upon termination, Your right to use the Service will cease immediately. If You wish to terminate Your Account, You may simply discontinue using the Service.

Multiple accounts per household IP/Subnet. If multiple natural persons from the same household wish to access duelbits.com please inform our Support first and complete the verification for each of them. Our Support will gladly assist you in the verification and explain to You everything, that is needed from You.

source: https://duelbits.com/tos

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You warrant not to create any additional accounts from the same electronic device, household, IP address, natural person, or legal identity without informing the Roobet support team immediately. Multiple accounts made in order to trick, manipulate or trick the company's system in any way are not allowed and will be terminated without warning. All Roobidos in a terminated account will be lost. All accounts made to circumvent the company's KYC and AML checks and verifications will be reported to the authorities. Further information regarding the KYC and AML checks and verification can be found in our KYC-AML Policy. You warrant to report any additional account created by yourself or a close relative sharing an electronic device, household, IP address, or identity card without delay to the Roobet Support and fully verify it according to the KYC-AML policy.

source: https://roobet.com/termsandconditions

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10.5. Bonuses can only be received once per person/account, family, household, address, e-mail address, IP addresses and environments where computers are shared (university, fraternity, school, public library, workplace, etc.). The Operator reserves the right to close your account and confiscate any existing funds if evidence of abuse/fraud is found.

source: https://livecasino.io/help-center/help-terms-and-conditions/terms-and-conditions

So I think that bonus abuse is covered by the TOS of many casinos as ground for account banning or termination.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 16, 2022, 12:41:46 PM

It is one thing to use some kind of casino error in the program (and in an honest way) - only the casino is to blame here. And it's another matter to break the explicitly prescribed rules by creating multi-accounts and repeatedly receiving a bonus that is provided according to the rules once. Obviously, these are different situations, and only the cheater is to blame for the second - the one who breaks the rules.

I believe both sides have the responsibility on this matter. Site owners should secure their platform as free from bugs and other potential problems from attackers. Whereas, from the players' end, they should not abuse the site if there will be promos and other bonuses offered. However, you can't expect both to happen. At some point, one will fail to do their part. But at the end of the day, one should take care of their own business, because if not, they are the ones who will be losing their business.

You are mixing different things. It's one thing when the casino has no advantage due to incorrect settings (and the player, on the contrary, has it) - this is the problem of the casino and the player has the right to win as much as he can before the error is discovered. And it's another matter when a player himself breaks the casino software in order to "win" or uses multi-accounts (this is prohibited by the rules) to abuse bonuses. In the first case, there is no blame of the casino, there is only a mistake. In the second case, the player is at blame.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I can say that it’s the fault of both parties, the customer and the merchant itself. But it’s more on the abuser itself because he knows already that it’s not going to end up good, but still he chose to take the risk. However, for casinos themselves, they should also limit their bonuses to every player so that the promotion will not be abused or exploited. Otherwise, whatever the consequences right after, the casino and it’s abusive player will suffer.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

Gambling sites always offer different types of bonuses. There are various reasons why they can give you bonuses like they can give you bonuses on deposits. Can give referrals so that their users will be increased etc. If you can do it with some difficult conditions then you will not get the bonus. However, there are very few people I have met who can qualify that bonus. But I would say that it is always abused most of the time.

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Quote from: skarais on June 17, 2022, 12:54:27 PM

Basically casinos only give out bonuses to reward their customers, not to abuse them. When the casino finds abuse, then of course the user in question has the right to be blamed and can be subject to consequences for his actions.

It might be very unfair to blame the casino for its bonus program, they want to give the best to their customers but people are so greedy that they abuse it. Although not very much, but usually the casino will have data about the IP and may require them to complete KYC if there is any suspicion and that will be the best way to prevent it.

You don't do nothing with the IP address, if you use a proxy server you can easily bypass this safety control. What is really important is to use the KYC, in this way user can't do any bonus abusing, and is locked. He will try

to register with the ID of mother, father, girlfriend, ecc. but he can't do more than that. It is the best practice in my opinion.

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Customers are now tech-savvy, that's a given. Hell, even a 5-year-old kid today can make an application while I still don't know how to do it. Grin

Both ends are to blame and as you said, the gambling site should be ready for this to happen as there are already events like this that happened before which made their businesses go bankrupt.
The same goes for the customers. The question is why? It could be addiction or their means of like a "job" due to the loss of income made by the pandemic.

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Basically casinos only give out bonuses to reward their customers, not to abuse them. When the casino finds abuse, then of course the user in question has the right to be blamed and can be subject to consequences for his actions.

It might be very unfair to blame the casino for its bonus program, they want to give the best to their customers but people are so greedy that they abuse it. Although not very much, but usually the casino will have data about the IP and may require them to complete KYC if there is any suspicion and that will be the best way to prevent it.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

It is said that when a man knows not the value of a thing abuse is inevitable. But in this case the value of the casino bonuses is well known to the customers/gamblers so it's rather an abuse out of greed and the casinos are not to be blame for such an abuse cause bonuses is part of a way Casinos use in advertising for attracting more customers, make increase in bet and giving their customers some feeling of satisfaction.

It would be better casinos and other betting site tighten their security and attached certain stringent measure to obtaining their bonuses so the abuse can be reduced. Because every gambler wishes to win so when they are left with such opportunity (bonuses) they will try every means possible take advantage.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I really don't know why we need someone to blame. There's no need to blame one another they should be responsible for their own act. As for the operators, they need to have a monthly monitoring so that they could see if there's a loophole in their system or the way they want to give bonuses to people. I am sure there's a monitoring team for that and they have a good programmers in the field. We can admit that as long as we the users benefits from that kind of matter we will not report it or make a ticket, if there's a Bug Bounty possible it will be resolve earlier.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think the owners or operators would be blame. They need to always check for loopholes on their website so that even when heckers or cheaters try they won't succeed, they make their site subsceptible to fraudstars because you done expose your fish to attackers, they will eat it up.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 17, 2022, 07:37:41 AM

Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.

Bonus abuse can actually stop with security system upgrade but then what are we going to do about bug coming up once in a while, this is why casino must always thrive to be ahead of this bad guys who are constantly looking for a way to cheat the system.

These experiences encounter by other is learning experience to new one want to launch a casino business here. They shouldn't rush things and make sure that they have high security which is away from exploits and other abuses that might happen to them. That's why they need proper planning nor do bug bounty contest to know more what possible lapses they have so that they provide a smooth platform to their bettors.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 17, 2022, 07:37:41 AM

Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.

If I'm not mistaken, deposit bonuses (which go up to 100%) usually require a gigantic wagering requirement (something like x5 and up). Therefore, if the gambler does not explicitly violate the rules (makes arbitrage bets on multi-accounts using bonuses), then if he was able to honestly win back his bonus, then we can say that the casino is not left in the red.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 17, 2022, 07:37:41 AM

Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.

Bonus abuse can actually stop with security system upgrade but then what are we going to do about bug coming up once in a while, this is why casino must always thrive to be ahead of this bad guys who are constantly looking for a way to cheat the system.

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Well, the bonus abuse can stopped with better security system and criteria to meet the bonus like atleast 1x wagering amount before the withdrawal and something like that. Most of the popular casinos are doing it better but the players starts to blame the casino for not letting them to withdraw when actually the mistake is by their side si casinos are doing what they are meant to. Play responsibly anything over do will let us drown into it at some point.

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Of course gambling site owner should be blamed for giving an opportunity to abuse bonus system. They have failed at making a secured system and they have discussed bonus rules. People that abuse bonuses can be divided into two categories. Those who did it on purpose. And those who are just curious how things work, they investigate and as a reward for finding weakness, they are being rewarded. Some people even call system abuse as a lifehack. Cheating is also sort of a lifehack. However cheating is bad, and lifehacks are something people value and seek. Double standarts.

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Quote from: harizen on June 17, 2022, 02:38:18 AM

Quote from: Reatim on June 17, 2022, 12:32:46 AM

That's why it is called Bonus because each players are entitled to take them out , but it is not a reason to abuse them , meaning if you are giving a bonus just use on the limit the site has given and not to extend the advantage once we find a leak or some irregularities to the site.
so I believe that Both are to blame here, it is the team who does not secure their site? and the players who take advantage of the situation .

I just came to realize that bonus abuse isn't really because of the site's lack and poor security but rather there are flaws in the Terms. Sometimes the site thinks that everything is smooth but as always, abusers will really find a way to take advantage of those flaws. They will just realize that something not right is happening after several weeks or even months.

In part, the security of the site is also the culprit. If something irregular keeps on happening and the administrators are not notified then the security of the site is lacking on some of the routine checks that should be present on the platform. True that it's mostly with the terms of the bonuses which the players are abusing, but security also comes in to play somehow.

Quote from: harizen on June 17, 2022, 02:38:18 AM

Instead of blaming the site, let's just help instead of the site by giving them a prompt about bonus abuse. After they confirmed it for sure a reward is waiting for the bug discoverer. Unfortunately, in most cases, the bug discoverer might also abuse first the bonus terms before reporting it lol.

IMO this is somewhat important to make sure that the bug can be replicated and is a critical threat to the site. Without them replicating the said issue, the platform can just dismiss that it exists and not take action against the said bug and end up losing more money in the end. But yeah, not all bug reporters are honest people so they can take some for themselves before finally reporting it.

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 17, 2022, 04:02:49 AM

I'm confused by the question, really. Clearly, the one to be blamed for abuse of any kind is... the abuser?

If you see a rise in financial fraud, is it also the fault of the finance industry that gets bigger? If you see a rise in shop theft, is it that shops are also to blame?

I understand for sure that sometimes there are external conditions like a bad economy and joblessness that can lead to overall hike in crime, or even longer term society things like lack of access to education and poverty. But then that affects everything else.

Perhaps industry casinos are just getting better at detecting abuse that makes it look like there's more?

There's really nothing to be confused about the question but you cannot blame the merchant or the casino for these scenarios. Clearly, the casino did the promotion or the bonus for new users to attract more users to the platform. However, there will always be an abuser for these kinds of promotions or bonuses. Also, these kinds of abusers can also be seen not only in the gambling industry but in any industry instead.

A lot of people are exposing loopholes to various platforms and doing illicit activities to their advantage and to earn money. This is pretty much common which is why platforms have policies for the bonuses they are implementing such as doing some bets or that you have certain points to be able to receive these bonuses.

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