Bonus Abuse: Who is to Blame? - page 6.

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Quote from: seleme on June 19, 2022, 04:49:33 PM

Yeah especially greedy users take advantage of no deposit bonuses and abuse the promotion with multi accounts. Using VPN and getting fresh IP addresses is enough for new account unless there is a KYC.
Some users even accumulate bonuses given by casino based on period of user has wagered but user doesn't deposit for months and wager with bonuses only. Both cases depend on ToS of casinos and the management is in charge to regulate such situations.

We have often seen these greedy users abuse promotions and end up with their account being closed by the casino and complaining to the casino. But some users have successfully used the promotion by creating multiple accounts. Still, I don't think it will last long because the casino will check all the new users who register in their casino since the promotion launch. For the second case, I think it's okay because maybe the user wants to convince themselves that the casino is trustworthy and can deposit some money safely. But as you said, it will depend on the ToS of each casino which can vary.

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Both parties has to be blamed here ,

The site/team because they launched the site without even noticing those abusive situation and that is what we need to understand , because there will be no abuser if they cannot find something to be abused.

The Abuser because they must not abuse the site because it is not something they must be proud of.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 19, 2022, 04:37:03 PM

On this bonus issue, casinos should put rules, I happen to see a lot of rules that casinos put so that people can withdraw such a bonus. I see so many rules that to this day I don't understand how people still think about abusing such a bonus when the rules for withdrawing such a bonus are not something so easy to comply with. I can only imagine that the casinos where they abuse the bonus are new casinos and they don't put hard rules to prevent bonus abuse. That's why, in my opinion, the blame for abuse is on the customers.

Even if there are some hard rules, abusers will always come if there is a chance to make profit from the bonus. Abuses happens almost in any casino regardless they are new or old. One example is the one in your signature, I'm sure there are still many abuse attempts in the casino although they are old casino. If I have to make percentage about who to blame, I'll say 75% to the abusers and 25% to the casino because the casinos cant prevent abuses effectively.

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Quote from: Slow death on June 19, 2022, 04:37:03 PM

On this bonus issue, casinos should put rules, I happen to see a lot of rules that casinos put so that people can withdraw such a bonus. I see so many rules that to this day I don't understand how people still think about abusing such a bonus when the rules for withdrawing such a bonus are not something so easy to comply with. I can only imagine that the casinos where they abuse the bonus are new casinos and they don't put hard rules to prevent bonus abuse. That's why, in my opinion, the blame for abuse is on the customers.

Obviously, there's a rule. However, abusers will always be abusers that even to the point that it's difficult to take advantage of it, they can still find a way.

That's why to somehow prevent this, the community should help the gambling site to check some bugs and flaws in the promotions or bonuses as for sure, there's a reward for it. And making a hard rule shouldn't always be a priority. That will make new users not interested in trying the gambling site. The rules and terms should just be balanced to still attract new users to the site.

I'm sure most of us here don't like the idea of having difficult requirements to get those bonuses.

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Quote from: michellee on June 15, 2022, 02:00:36 AM

To blame are greedy people wanting to earn more than they should and it is only natural that casinos would not allow this to happen in their casinos. If casinos give bonuses to new customers, it is also a normal way to attract people to come and play at their casinos. But unfortunately, many of them then abuse the bonus by creating another account just to get more. Somehow, the casino will know the abusers and block them immediately.

Yeah especially greedy users take advantage of no deposit bonuses and abuse the promotion with multi accounts. Using VPN and getting fresh IP addresses is enough for new account unless there is a KYC.
Some users even accumulate bonuses given by casino based on period of user has wagered but user doesn't deposit for months and wager with bonuses only. Both cases depend on ToS of casinos and the management is in charge to regulate such situations.

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On this bonus issue, casinos should put rules, I happen to see a lot of rules that casinos put so that people can withdraw such a bonus. I see so many rules that to this day I don't understand how people still think about abusing such a bonus when the rules for withdrawing such a bonus are not something so easy to comply with. I can only imagine that the casinos where they abuse the bonus are new casinos and they don't put hard rules to prevent bonus abuse. That's why, in my opinion, the blame for abuse is on the customers.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

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I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

It's unfair if we blame users who abuse this signup bonus because gambling business owners hold sign-up bonuses to attract more customers. it is difficult to dispel users who try to abuse the new registrant bonus held by a gambling site because the loopholes for users to abuse the system (bonus) are still enormous. So in this case, the owner who held the bonus and also used the abuse bonus was the one who was blamed (both).

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I would say both. The gambling merchants should have seen this coming before they create those promotions knowing the customers will always take advantage every promotion because for them, its already an opportunity to build profits. However, the customers or the gamblers themselves should never be greedy and should be responsible enough to think that those promotions are for everyone and not just for himself only. And they should also be responsible to follow the rules of every gambling site so it won't result into abuse or exploitation on part of the gambling's site bonuses or promotions.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on June 18, 2022, 10:47:19 AM

Well, to be honest, I'm against victim blaming therefore I'd blame the fraudster. But, it doesn't mean that the customers is not at fault, they could've done some research first before believing on sudden bonuses on a certain gambling site. The online casino is at fault as well for not being aware of such thing, or not giving an early warning to their users regarding about such matter.

^ In my own, probably there is nothing to blame if as a player you know about the casino that you have picked. That is why, I always practice myself to read the ToS first or even the FaQ before picking a gambling casino so that I know if there is a good bonus and rules also that can be avoided so that not to turn into abuse.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 18, 2022, 02:36:34 AM

There are a lot of people out there that has either lost a lot of money on gambling or those that are simply motivated to do this, because they want to beat the "House"

These people know the odds/house edge is stacked heavily against them to ever profit from gambling, so they take the challenge to cheat the system... to give them a higher chance to beat the house. The casinos are also making a huge profit, so they are ripe for the picking and they are an ideal target for scammers.

This is not just happening in online gambling.... it has been a problem at brick n mortar casinos for years. Money attract thieves and scammers... and casinos have a lot of money. Wink

Perhaps the harsh truth is that the total profit of thieves and scammers is less than their total losses. We all know that casinos easily block accounts that just get suspicious and it is very difficult to unblock them. Therefore, it is quite possible that casinos earn more on greedy but stupid cheaters than they lose on smart cheaters who still manage to abuse bonuses.

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Well, to be honest, I'm against victim blaming therefore I'd blame the fraudster. But, it doesn't mean that the customers is not at fault, they could've done some research first before believing on sudden bonuses on a certain gambling site. The online casino is at fault as well for not being aware of such thing, or not giving an early warning to their users regarding about such matter.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

If there are any bonus abuses that has been happening in a gambling website and some users participate in such abuse, then these players run into the conflict of having their accounts banned. Since any form of online abuse of loopholes in the rules may be construed as an activity that is against their TOS, these players should not complain in the event that they get banned and their funds be confiscated or withheld from them.

A gambling website should keep their bonuses and other activities monitored. These are the types of activities that they should keep an eye about since registration bonuses can be subject to abuse by players and gamblers alike.

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Quote from: Wakate on June 18, 2022, 03:53:52 AM

Quote from: Strongkored on June 15, 2022, 01:56:16 AM

Both, the abusers in first place who is to be blame and also casinos who don't anticipate the possibility of misuse of bonuses, which is why Casinos must have a good security system that can at least reduce cheaters to abuse the bonuses or promotions they provide, because multi-accounts or cheaters will always there, that's why Casino should have something that can be reduce cheater to penetrated Casino system.

Thee had been recent hike in abuses of casinos' bonus system. Many gamblers are mostly interested in a casino especially the new ones offering gambling bonus to use users for first time deposit of account creation. Many gamblers always use this opportunity given to them to create multiple accounts and use it to give bonuses to gamble at the same time win many bets and want to cash out.
Most time when casinos noticed this scam attempt, they mostly shot down the bonuses and ban accounts of users including those ones that are genuine making it look like the casino is bad and don't want to pay gamblers funds.

Not a scam attempt but rather being abusive because they are taking advantage of an exploit which they had able to discover on how they would really abuse such bonuses and perks.

There's no such thing about perfect system where mistakes like this could possibly happen and it's casinos mistake I should say or a costly mistake if they don't resolve it immediately that's why it's always important to make sure everything.

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Quote from: Strongkored on June 15, 2022, 01:56:16 AM

Both, the abusers in first place who is to be blame and also casinos who don't anticipate the possibility of misuse of bonuses, which is why Casinos must have a good security system that can at least reduce cheaters to abuse the bonuses or promotions they provide, because multi-accounts or cheaters will always there, that's why Casino should have something that can be reduce cheater to penetrated Casino system.

Thee had been recent hike in abuses of casinos' bonus system. Many gamblers are mostly interested in a casino especially the new ones offering gambling bonus to use users for first time deposit of account creation. Many gamblers always use this opportunity given to them to create multiple accounts and use it to give bonuses to gamble at the same time win many bets and want to cash out.
Most time when casinos noticed this scam attempt, they mostly shot down the bonuses and ban accounts of users including those ones that are genuine making it look like the casino is bad and don't want to pay gamblers funds.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 17, 2022, 04:08:56 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on June 17, 2022, 03:02:49 AM

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Perhaps industry casinos are just getting better at detecting abuse that makes it look like there's more?

Fiat Casinos yes but crypto casino, without KYC or other procedures to identify a user of a service in a CERTAIN manner it is practically impossible to prevent someone not "fraud" the online bonus system.
Unfortunately, there will always be someone who will try to cheat such a system, however negligible as a number.

Ok, but I still don't get what your point is. Prevention is one thing, being better at preventing is another, the question really is who is to blame, and I don't think there is anyone to blame but the culprit. And why look for blame?

My only offer to explain the increased fraud detection is simply that with better detection and better reporting, of course instances seem higher.

Quote from: Jemzx00 on June 17, 2022, 04:28:58 AM

There's really nothing to be confused about the question but you cannot blame the merchant or the casino for these scenarios. Clearly, the casino did the promotion or the bonus for new users to attract more users to the platform. However, there will always be an abuser for these kinds of promotions or bonuses. Also, these kinds of abusers can also be seen not only in the gambling industry but in any industry instead.

A lot of people are exposing loopholes to various platforms and doing illicit activities to their advantage and to earn money. This is pretty much common which is why platforms have policies for the bonuses they are implementing such as doing some bets or that you have certain points to be able to receive these bonuses.

Er, yeah that's exactly what I said, which is why it's a confusing question.

Why the need to ask the question when there IS NO question of who to blame?

Anyway, think I'll end my responses here before they go on the pointless path it already looks like it's going down lol

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There are a lot of people out there that has either lost a lot of money on gambling or those that are simply motivated to do this, because they want to beat the "House"

These people know the odds/house edge is stacked heavily against them to ever profit from gambling, so they take the challenge to cheat the system... to give them a higher chance to beat the house. The casinos are also making a huge profit, so they are ripe for the picking and they are an ideal target for scammers.

This is not just happening in online gambling.... it has been a problem at brick n mortar casinos for years. Money attract thieves and scammers... and casinos have a lot of money. Wink

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

both

people should always think that just because you can abuse something does not mean you should abuse it. as for the gambling operators, I am sure they already expected that people always look for bugs, glitches, and loopholes to abuse. they should be more active in finding out whether their system is being abused.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 16, 2022, 06:05:00 PM

I believe anyone who went into the scam with a bad intention is to blame. Why should we put different people in groups based on superficial and arbitrary blaming of groups?

If the online gambling casino is to blame because it obviously got some kind of profit or advantage from the scam then its the casino which is to blame. Same goes with the "customers" are you called them. A casino needs good security but even if someone breaks through that security it does not make them not responsible for their scamming actions...

So its a bit of a difficult answer I guess.

Online casinos and players are, in a certain sense, allies - there is a symbiotic relationship between them.

The online casino seeks to convey to the player information about the benefits that the casino can provide to him, to demonstrate to him the design of the casino, a set of gambling games, and interface management tools.

This is what the bonus system is for....

The player seeks to find a casino in which he will be comfortable playing.

There is no need to abuse the bonus system. This can bankrupt online casinos and harm honest players.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I would say that it is a cat and mouse game between some gamblers and the casinos. The casinos are probably trying to staying ahead of the gamblers and limit the possibilities to abuse promotion system, but they have only a limited budget and there is always the possibility of human errors. When it comes to IT security we know there is never a 100% safety. If people are willing to spend enough time and money they will be able to find ways around it. The same goes for exploiting casino promotions. The larger the promotion of the casino the higher the incentive for gamblers to find an exploit. I expect that most gamblers are not actively looking to abuse the system. Only if it becomes to easy and the exploit is circulated online a large number of gamblers would use it. It's like someone teaching us the way to find free money. The casino on the other side will likely get ride of any abuse fast. I am wondering if casinos make an analysis to check how much money they make of a promotion, and how much money they lose due to abuses. As long as it's positive it should be okay for the casino.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on June 17, 2022, 05:13:57 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes?

The fact remains that you can't outsmart anyone in spy of you unknowingly to you, one befomes their target and they finds every means to ensure a successful penetration, buy building a system that is security conscious is a good blow on hackers and fraudster as this will offer them a threat, same applies to building a house with weak concretes, it will surely collapse at the sight of little attack because of it little security measures in place,

If the casino doesn't have a good security system, they will get leaks on their site. And regarding bonus abuse, it will be a challenge for casinos to keep them from experiencing that, maybe by tightening the rules for people who can get the bonus to check the people who will register on their site. That way, they won't be subjected to fraudulent attempts by people who deliberately want to get more bonuses from their site.

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