Bonus Abuse: Who is to Blame? - page 4.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on September 13, 2022, 12:15:35 PM

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 13, 2022, 05:07:24 AM

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

sure, we don't blame the person for being robbed but we blame them(or at least me) for being dumb enough for leaving the door open. people should know that there are bad people who would take any chance they have to be a bad person. always be cautious and never let them have that chance.

Yes, the fault of the fraudster is always primary, but sometimes the victim can also be blamed (if we return to the discussion, this will be a casino). If the casino has not provided reliable protection against scammers, then honest users may also suffer as a result of the actions of scammers. I think it is obvious that the casino has an obligation to ensure security, and if it did not do this at the required level, then it is their fault (although it is different from the fault of scammers).

If we are to take a glance at the possible causes to bonus abuse we could see that the gambler are th ones involved here because everyone want to participate in getting bonus but not only that but to have almost everything in their disposal, which is a display of greediness by most gamblers, you wish to get something free but try to deny others acceess to enjoying same thing, at the end of it all, the casinos seems to go under been hacked and the site ended up malfunctioning, these are the ordinary mistakes that could have been corrected by us right from on set but we got ourselves exposed to affect others through greediness from enjoying the bonus services front the casino

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 14, 2022, 07:10:54 AM

I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

Agree on factors, but disagree on abuse. If the casino security system is weak and allows you to use bonuses from fake accounts, then making a profit in this case is a purely technical procedure that is accessible even to a student. That is why casinos introduce such insane requirements for bonuses as 20x wagering or something like that.

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Quote from: Mauser on September 14, 2022, 03:17:44 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think there are a few factors which increase the abuse of bonuses and promotions from casinos. First of all there is a lot of money involved if somebody can get another 100 to 200% bonus on his deposit. Casinos need to offer bonuses for new customers to distinguish among each other and be more competitive. If a gambler has the chance to take advantage of ineffective security at the casino he will do so more often in troubling. The rise in abuses we are seeing this year is linked to the drop in bitcoin and other crypto currencies. Last year when prices where much higher, people made a lot of money from cryptos and didn't need to use illegal activities to get more returns. But this year stocks and cryptos are in the deep red, economic outlooks are bad and rising inflation is making everything more expenses. Using crypto casino bonuses and promotions is one way to make sure to have a constant income from gambling.

I do not think that the increase in abuse is in any way related to the rate of cryptocurrency. In the last couple of years there are a lot of new crypto-enthusiasts who share possible cryptocurrency earnings with newbies in Youtube and other channels. This is most likely their business.

None of the game strategies can give you a guarantee in a permanent income from casino games. The same can be said about bonuses and promotions. No matter how hard you try - even by abusing the casino rules you won't be able to bankrupt the casino, as the algorithms work according to predefined parameters and will not allow you to win more than the casino earns.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on September 13, 2022, 03:49:53 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 05:22:38 AM

But do you think that is bad what happened?

Yes, what happened there is bad because the company is already trying to be generous by giving free gifts and yet some people can't just be contented on a single copy but they abuse it to gain more benefits.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 05:22:38 AM

In general people sold information they obtained (about free GTA5) to those who did not know it. Buyers could have googled that before buying.

But not all buyers use google but they can just head on to the shopping site directly if it's online or to the physical stores if it's offline.

When you know where to get something for free or very cheap, and sell it later, isnt it an act of business? Why you call it as a system abuse ? Especially if Epic Games was ok if a person creates a new account and get a free copy of the game.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 05:22:38 AM

teachers get paid for their work, but student can get same knowledge from books. Whose who have sold those accounts are enterprising people, that's all. Should epic games be blamed for that? I think no, epic games worked fine - they had gifts, they gave gifts.

Yes, you can learn on your own without needing for a teacher or going to school but do you think you can produce your own certification? Or diploma? And about the op's question, of course, it was the abusers are the ones that must be blamed and not the casino because the casino is only doing a business.

You did not get it. I am not saying that a person should create his own fake certificate and diploma. But if he can get any book from library for free a do self education, finish exams well and get a scholarship. There is always a free library in town with bunch of educational books. Call it a bonus. Some can use this bonus and and get same education with those who paid for college.

About Davidvictorson question - when you play slots and due to UI or server lag get endless benefits like free spins, will you use them or not? Should you be blamed for that or devs?

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I think there are a few factors which increase the abuse of bonuses and promotions from casinos. First of all there is a lot of money involved if somebody can get another 100 to 200% bonus on his deposit. Casinos need to offer bonuses for new customers to distinguish among each other and be more competitive. If a gambler has the chance to take advantage of ineffective security at the casino he will do so more often in troubling. The rise in abuses we are seeing this year is linked to the drop in bitcoin and other crypto currencies. Last year when prices where much higher, people made a lot of money from cryptos and didn't need to use illegal activities to get more returns. But this year stocks and cryptos are in the deep red, economic outlooks are bad and rising inflation is making everything more expenses. Using crypto casino bonuses and promotions is one way to make sure to have a constant income from gambling. Only by gambling alone without any bonuses it's not possible to make money consistently. I think it's a fault for the gamblers to abuse the system, and a fault of the casinos to have not more strict security.

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Quote from: nullama on September 12, 2022, 10:56:14 PM

If there's anything to be obtained, there will be people trying to obtain it.

You might want to think that's immoral, wrong, whatever, but it will continue to happen as long as there are people on Earth.

The only thing left to do is to deal with it somehow. So the answer is basically the companies need to have a better system to deal with this, because nothing will stop people trying to get more and more of those bonuses.

It must be because seeing other people's success will make them interested in trying it.
Thus, if they don't manage to get one, they will continue to look elsewhere.
Maybe it has to do with morals because it means they are cheating against the casino, especially themselves.
Maybe they are to blame but it also depends on the people because not everyone will act like that and not abuse the opportunity.

This has beed discussed many times and Whatever the reason is they should not abuse the system even if they see an opportunity to do so. Most of the site are very strict, if you don’t want to face any problem with your account, avoid doing such bad activities remember that someone is watching and your karma will hit you. If the site is not that secured especially on those bonuses better to tell it to the site so you can also help them grow, bonuses are very attractive on some site and maybe that is why many are becoming more greedy.

By telling the casino there is a problem on their site, it can give the casino a chance to fix it and maybe they will reward us for helping them.
Yes, casinos can hold some kind of contest for members to help find leaks on their site so the team can deal with them and fix them as soon as possible.
That way, the casino can also maintain security on its site from any other leaks apart from the team's hard work.
Abusing the bonus is an act that is not permitted by the casino and will inevitably result in the closure of our account.

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Quote from: Johnyz on September 13, 2022, 03:55:15 PM

Quote from: Pierre 2 on September 13, 2022, 03:14:46 AM

Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.

You give people a free access and yet it is still your fault because they took advantage of that? It’s just like you give people bread everyday and yet they sold if to other people in exchange of money I guess you are wrong here.

If there’s a bonus abuse most probably the gambler is the one to blame here, the site never encourage you to abuse it and that is really agains their policy so let’s not blame them that you become greedy because you saw the opportunity, if something bad happen to you that is because of your fault.

Whatever the case may be, if you are giving a bonus to take one and you take more than that, that is definitely abuse. Even by analogy, taking more than what was prescribed for you by a doctor is abuse to yourself. If one is given a chance to enjoy some benefits, you don't go extreme trying to outsmart what they are doing, the greed may not allow others to benefit because you took it all by yourself. If a bonus with policy is set to less than or equal to 1 per person, one should never exceed that.

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Quote from: Ludmilla_rose1995 on September 12, 2022, 01:39:53 PM

every promotion carried out by gambling sites has a large enough abuse loophole and it's not just 1 or 2 gambling sites that have experienced this. it's difficult for gambling sites to prevent this, especially those that don't require KYC, the gap for abuse is getting bigger, the problem is that gambling sites that require KYC will be deserted because people prefer non-KYC. the conclusion is that no one is to blame!!

So that is the reason why gambling as a whole bears a lot of risk. Not only for the gamblers but also for the one implementing the gambling activities. They will do anything to their power to get more users on their website. Bonuses and other stuff like that are always subject for abuse. Because people always finds a way how to get everything for free while monetising at the same time.

There would be no abuse if the casino/platform does really set out those security measures and those terms and conditions on the right manner because if people do find out some exploits or probabilities then it would be

normal that they would really be abusing it as much as it could or still possible on doing so thats why as a platform who do launched out these bonuses then it would be normal that you should really be checking out
first on everything.
Bonuses and perks are standard and a very common ways on hooking up people on playing on the site but it do always falls down into someones preference.

I have the same sentiments with you. There would be no bonus abuse if and only if the casino is conducting a maintenance, daily checking, or update on their security measures and servers. If the casino's security is strong enough, no one will be able to bypass and exploit the system. But if the security is weak and they are only conducting checking complacently, then certainly there would be bugs and glitches that would occur.

And as we know, the moment people know that there is a vulnerability in the system, they will utilize and take advantage of it for their own benefit. There are only a very few who will be honest and kind-hearted to report the glitch in which they can profit from. While both may be at fault because taking advantage of something that is just an error is bad, the casino is in greater responsibility of bonus abuse.

When it comes into this business then security should really be the main priority because if you do miss out this spot then for sure it would really cost you big time since it would really cause up losses which might be possibly big or overall it would wrecked up the business in terms of finances.
There would be no problems if the security is tight plus having those terms and conditions been set according into house rules which is of course it would be always advantage of the house.
Blaming would be definitely be always reside with the house if ever there would be those security errors which it should really be fixed nor had been secured
in the first place.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on September 13, 2022, 01:49:03 PM

Quote from: Fortify on September 12, 2022, 02:27:20 PM

In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.

But at least, they do something to stop those bad guys which can help existing players to feel confident. Abusers will also think twice if they will do it again because they are now aware that the casino is now aware of them. Of course, cheaters can go on the rough way, especially if the casino is tight on their rules or security. That just shows that even the cheaters do also exert a great effort to earn an income.

There's really no easy money in this world. Still what they are doing is wrong. It would be better if they use that kind of ability on a legal way like helping the casinos to tighten up their security. They can make sure money this way plus there are no consequences.

Making themselves on being security testers? Possible that they would really be able to recieve some bounty specially if the exploit is severe but not all does have that kind of mindset on which they do believe that
they could really not make huge money if ever they would reach out on the team and saying about that exploit but rather most of these people would really be abusing since they do know that they could really make
huge money if ever they would succeed on abusing it but well we cant really make out some conclusions yet there are still good people who would definitely be telling about those possible errors.
Expect that there are people who would really be abusing up things if ever they would really see that they have the chance.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on September 13, 2022, 03:14:46 AM

Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.

You give people a free access and yet it is still your fault because they took advantage of that? It’s just like you give people bread everyday and yet they sold if to other people in exchange of money I guess you are wrong here.

If there’s a bonus abuse most probably the gambler is the one to blame here, the site never encourage you to abuse it and that is really agains their policy so let’s not blame them that you become greedy because you saw the opportunity, if something bad happen to you that is because of your fault.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 05:22:38 AM

But do you think that is bad what happened?

Yes, what happened there is bad because the company is already trying to be generous by giving free gifts and yet some people can't just be contented on a single copy but they abuse it to gain more benefits.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 05:22:38 AM

In general people sold information they obtained (about free GTA5) to those who did not know it. Buyers could have googled that before buying.

But not all buyers use google but they can just head on to the shopping site directly if it's online or to the physical stores if it's offline.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2022, 05:22:38 AM

teachers get paid for their work, but student can get same knowledge from books. Whose who have sold those accounts are enterprising people, that's all. Should epic games be blamed for that? I think no, epic games worked fine - they had gifts, they gave gifts.

Yes, you can learn on your own without needing for a teacher or going to school but do you think you can produce your own certification? Or diploma? And about the op's question, of course, it was the abusers are the ones that must be blamed and not the casino because the casino is only doing a business.

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Quote from: Fortify on September 12, 2022, 02:27:20 PM

In reality gambling companies don't get any benefit from people abusing the system and in fact pay large amounts for teams that seek to stamp it out. The sort of people who go to great lengths to take advantage and abuse the system of bonuses tend to stray into many grey areas, which then lead further on to pure criminal activity. These sort of cheaters will often go to extreme lengths if they perceive the ability to squeeze free money out of a company and we must remember that a single dollar has a very different value in different countries. If somebody is able to make say $300 dollars by jumping through numerous, but repeatable, hoops.. then they could potentially live an above average life in somewhere like Venezuela.

But at least, they do something to stop those bad guys which can help existing players to feel confident. Abusers will also think twice if they will do it again because they are now aware that the casino is now aware of them. Of course, cheaters can go on the rough way, especially if the casino is tight on their rules or security. That just shows that even the cheaters do also exert a great effort to earn an income.

There's really no easy money in this world. Still what they are doing is wrong. It would be better if they use that kind of ability on a legal way like helping the casinos to tighten up their security. They can make sure money this way plus there are no consequences.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 13, 2022, 05:07:24 AM

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

sure, we don't blame the person for being robbed but we blame them(or at least me) for being dumb enough for leaving the door open. people should know that there are bad people who would take any chance they have to be a bad person. always be cautious and never let them have that chance.

Yes, the fault of the fraudster is always primary, but sometimes the victim can also be blamed (if we return to the discussion, this will be a casino). If the casino has not provided reliable protection against scammers, then honest users may also suffer as a result of the actions of scammers. I think it is obvious that the casino has an obligation to ensure security, and if it did not do this at the required level, then it is their fault (although it is different from the fault of scammers).

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...

My point is, bonus abusing is a disgusting thing to do, but people from countries where thieves can be heroes ... they simply have no clue.

We just need to be over protective to make sure that we don't fall victim easily on something that can cause us heavy loses. We need to be more careful so that we can protect ourselves and other people of possible. There are some countries that stealing and fraud is a usual thing ams part of life there so people always take extraordinary precautions to make sure that there property is we secure because the government will never come to there aid.

We have the right and the full responsibility to protect what we have and that is why casinos owners need to do routine check to make sure that there casinos is properly safe for all and I term of bonus abuse so that this will not affect other users.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

So I was reading this article where a recent study showed that 71% of online gambling merchants have reported an increase in promotion abuse over the past year.

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After surveying 1,700 fraud and payment professionals based at online gambling platforms, the study found that 62% of all types of online merchants had suffered an increase in fraud over the past 12 months. These operators detailed significant impacts on revenue as a result of online fraud.
Promotional offers are a common tactic employed by online gambling platforms to attract customers; such offers include loyalty rewards, sign-up bonuses and free bets.
Savvy players make use of multiple accounts and different IP addresses to exploit these promotions, finding loopholes that result in heavy financial losses for the companies targeted.
Another form of fraud that has seen an increase is online payment fraud, with 67% of merchants reporting a rise in payment details being taken from customer accounts. The high traffic of the websites involved can make it difficult for companies to clamp down on fraudulent activity.

I was sitting and wondering, there will always be bad actors in online gambling but who is to blame, the customers/fraudsters or the gambling merchants? Are the customers/fraudsters getting tech-savvy or are the gambling merchants getting complacent in checking and testing their website for loopholes? Don't these online gambling operators anticipate these frauds while building their websites? Why don't they invest in a robust fraud detection system before the fraud happens and not after?
I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

I don't think there is anything to blame dude, because even if we say that there is a cheater or fraudster, if there are no gamblers or players entering a gambling platform, in short there will be no funds coming in from prospect customers/gamblers, do you think someone will cheat or will they fall victim? or maybe someone will say that they fell victim to a scam?

That's why what I said is impossible and unrealistic, right? so my answer to your question is that fraud or fraud can be done by the operator and gamblers who will try to play in a casino,.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 13, 2022, 05:07:24 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

sure, we don't blame the person for being robbed but we blame them(or at least me) for being dumb enough for leaving the door open. people should know that there are bad people who would take any chance they have to be a bad person. always be cautious and never let them have that chance.

Quote from: Betwrong on September 13, 2022, 05:07:24 AM

If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...

I don't know about you but there are a lot of prosperous countries where you just leave your stuff lying around without it being taken/stolen.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on September 13, 2022, 03:14:46 AM

Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.

But do you think that is bad what happened? In general people sold information they obtained (about free GTA5) to those who did not know it. Buyers could have googled that before buying. I mean teachers get paid for their work, but student can get same knowledge from books. Whose who have sold those accounts are enterprising people, that's all. Should epic games be blamed for that? I think no, epic games worked fine - they had gifts, they gave gifts.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on June 15, 2022, 01:39:56 AM

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I ask again who is to blame for the increase in bonus abuse, the customers/fraudsters or the online gambling operators?

When someone left the door to his house open, and the house was robbed, we don't blame the guy that left the door open, right? Of course it's fraudsters and offenders to blame.

If you travel to different countries, you can easily spot the difference between more cultured peoples and less cultured ones. In prosperous countries, where people are more educated and thus more cultured, you can see goods and food items for sell left on the street without anyone watching over them. ...

My point is, bonus abusing is a disgusting thing to do, but people from countries where thieves can be heroes ... they simply have no clue.

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Some people will remember this. Epic Games once gave Grand Theft Auto 5 as a gift to everyone. And I remember many people exploited it, created new accounts and sold those gta5 copies to people who are unaware its already free. So I mean when you give people opportunity they will definitely exploit. Its not something about gambling or gambler nature or mentality. Websites should close possible loopholes. They are to blame.

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Call it what ever you want, but I find bonus abusers similar to bug bounty hunters. They only get 100% rewarded with money, but not with "thank you, here are 5 free spins for you". Call them security testers. They are the one who punish lazy security admins and greedy casino owners, that rather pay a freelancer 1k for casino engine, then hire development staff. However, such bug hunter must not be a newbie also, because he will be identified quick. Only few deserve to go free with abuse Cheesy

As this is their reward for knowledge and experience.

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