[Boxing] Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - March 9 - page 10.

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Quote from: yazher on February 20, 2024, 01:04:07 PM

Quote from: Japinat on February 20, 2024, 10:14:06 AM

Tyson Fury was a significant factor in his success. Due to their controversial fight, he is now getting big opportunities that long-time boxers work hard to secure, but Ngannou easily attains. He is also fighting a former champion now, considering AJ was a champ before. Winning here might open up more opportunities for him, and that means more financial gains. He's not going back to where he started since he is becoming a star in boxing already, if he is not considered a star yet.

We need to understand that Ngannou has generational talent and he is also in the heavyweight division which makes him unique he gives Fury a fight he could never forget because the judges saved his record on that fight. Between him and Joshua, he is stronger and this is an easy fight for Ngannou because he is eager to win in boxing he was not satisfied with the judge's decisions in his last fight which makes this fight even more interesting because he trained well to be able to secure the win and continue his popularity in the boxing industry especially in the middle east.

Not really sure what you mean by generational talent, but obviously he was gifted with that huge power that can knock everyone out, as he proved it in the case against Tyson Fury wherein he scored a knock down.

He wasn't able to sustain it though in the fight, he might get tired as it is a full 10 rounds and I think that will be one of AJ's strategy here. Avoid that power of Francis and have him tired in the championship rounds and AJ taking over and winning in the judges scorecard.

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Quote from: yazher on February 20, 2024, 01:04:07 PM

Quote from: Japinat on February 20, 2024, 10:14:06 AM

Tyson Fury was a significant factor in his success. Due to their controversial fight, he is now getting big opportunities that long-time boxers work hard to secure, but Ngannou easily attains. He is also fighting a former champion now, considering AJ was a champ before. Winning here might open up more opportunities for him, and that means more financial gains. He's not going back to where he started since he is becoming a star in boxing already, if he is not considered a star yet.

We need to understand that Ngannou has generational talent and he is also in the heavyweight division which makes him unique he gives Fury a fight he could never forget because the judges saved his record on that fight. Between him and Joshua, he is stronger and this is an easy fight for Ngannou because he is eager to win in boxing he was not satisfied with the judge's decisions in his last fight which makes this fight even more interesting because he trained well to be able to secure the win and continue his popularity in the boxing industry especially in the middle east.

But you must also accept, there are large number of talented heavyweights, that are amateur boxers, do boxing only for themselves and did not aim to become professional boxers. Or are only low ranked and cant get high ranked opponents, because such guys like Ngannou came and in the line, and force them to wait for another 6 months before they can have a fight against highly ranked guy. Some dont have promotors. I am more than sure there are a lot of unknown boxers, who are better and stronger than Ngannou. But nobody knows them, and will never found out them, because there guys who pause their career.

How I see Ngannou. Kitchen, line of guys to get feeded. Everyone stand in a queue. Ngannou enters, goes to the start of the line and say "I am next", plus some powerful guy says "yes, he is next to eat". Most of the guys in line keep silent, because if they talk, they will get kicked. Is that fair? No.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 19, 2024, 01:49:27 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 19, 2024, 12:31:01 PM

(...) Fury might lose his belts soon but it seems Saudi was wanting Francis to fight the winner of Fury/Usyk so the belt could be on the line then, though I don't think it should be right now.

If Ngannou was to beat AJ, then I wouldn't mind him fighting with a winner of Fury Vs Usyk. Sure, it will probably be a record speed to become an undisputed champion in only 3 fights, and giving a novice such a chance sounds like a joke at first. But not giving him such an opportunity, after almost beating Tyson in his very first boxing fight and after defeating Tony, would make the whole sport look bad.
It's not a good look when a newcomer manhandles all the top stars and boxing organisations pretending nothing is happening making him build his record from scratch. Given his age, he would never be able to get a title fight the "normal" way.
AJ fight will confirm if Ngannou belongs in the top 10 or was his first fight just a fluke.

I'd love Francis to challenge for the belts eventually - assuming he actually starts officially beating people - but you really can't give him a title shot for his third fight. If Fury losses the belts I'm sure he will rematch Fury next, but I can't see Usyk fighting Francis and maybe Usyk will just vacate and/or retire the belts if he wins them.

Quote from: electronicash on February 19, 2024, 03:06:31 PM

i am seeing AJ get wrecked by Fancis. even with that simple fight plan he had with Fury will already work with AJ. all he needs is to land big shots.

I'm sticking to the same thing I said for the Fury/Ngannou fight: I think either Francis gets a KO or AJ outboxes him and tires him out.

Quote from: TopTort777 on February 20, 2024, 06:37:04 AM

What now, if he beats AJ, he fights for the belt again?

I suspect Francis will have a MMA/PFL fight next, but not sure he would fight for a belt in boxing next, assuming he wins. He could rematch AJ or Fury (depending on his outcome), or maybe fight one of the mandatories that Fury/Usyk have to try prove himself and get himself on the ladder to eventually fight for a belt, but he needs to earn that right.

Quote from: Dave1 on February 20, 2024, 07:32:36 AM

^ I guess it just shows how corrupt WBC as a organizations, they will give all the favor to the any fighter that is the current hype on their body. Canelo has his way with them, not fighting his mandatory and choosing any fighter that he wants to fight without any repercussions.

So same here, for sure if Ngannou beats AJ he will be the poster boy of WBC and then fight the winner of Fury vs Usyk.

But if can only last as long as Francis won, specially in a spectacular manner against Joshua.

It's all sanctioning bodies really. All they care about is their fees so it's in their interest to rank fighters so they can collect the sanctioning fees. They could have still put him in the top 50 or something without giving him a top ten.

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Quote from: ARTOIS on February 20, 2024, 07:39:36 AM

Anthony Joshua is great boxer but I think the king of ko Francis will beat him

Anthony Joshua Is putting a lot of effort into his preparation to fight Ngannou, so you can never be sure how the fight will turn out. He is aware of what is ahead of him when he agrees to take on Ngannou on March 9th, and he seems well-prepared.

I see a video of Anthony Joshua's most recent training. His massive build physique gives the impression that he could withstand Ngannou's pushes throughout the entire boxing match.

It's going to be a tough fight for both parties and the winner of it would be celebrated and made themselves more recognized and respected in the World Boxing Federation(WBF).

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Quote from: Japinat on February 20, 2024, 10:14:06 AM

Tyson Fury was a significant factor in his success. Due to their controversial fight, he is now getting big opportunities that long-time boxers work hard to secure, but Ngannou easily attains. He is also fighting a former champion now, considering AJ was a champ before. Winning here might open up more opportunities for him, and that means more financial gains. He's not going back to where he started since he is becoming a star in boxing already, if he is not considered a star yet.

We need to understand that Ngannou has generational talent and he is also in the heavyweight division which makes him unique he gives Fury a fight he could never forget because the judges saved his record on that fight. Between him and Joshua, he is stronger and this is an easy fight for Ngannou because he is eager to win in boxing he was not satisfied with the judge's decisions in his last fight which makes this fight even more interesting because he trained well to be able to secure the win and continue his popularity in the boxing industry especially in the middle east.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 20, 2024, 10:03:13 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 20, 2024, 09:31:07 AM

Very possible but things can get complicated with mandatory title defences.

It is bad that boxing is way more complicated than UFC. Yes my friend ? Cheesy

That UFC champs dont fight with other promotion champs Cheesy

We have a slightly similar situation. Fighters from other promotion or even other sports move to UFC and instantly get rather high position in rating. Chandler that moved from Bellator to UFC entered title race. Pereira who has moved from kickboxing to MMA very quickly got a title fight. The difference is that when they move, they at least have some fights till they enter rating. Not like 1 fight only and instantly among top10.

Many have noticed this too like Pereira getting the title shot with just a few fights in UFC and it's not just Alex. Dana also favors Dagestanis in UFC.

WBC always involves itself in bringing some fighters to disrupt the order, I think because if they don't do this, those top fighters will just be waiting til the champ gets old and rusty. They bring Francis Ngannou because they want to see if a new breed can force these top fighters to fight each other. So this AJ vs Ngannou is happening.

But this could be the new normal soon, the Jake Paul shitshow started it.

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Quote from: Lannakosa on February 20, 2024, 10:07:34 AM

It seems that Ngannou has become a popular opponent that everyone wants to fight, and something tells me that it’s all about money.

Tyson Fury was a significant factor in his success. Due to their controversial fight, he is now getting big opportunities that long-time boxers work hard to secure, but Ngannou easily attains. He is also fighting a former champion now, considering AJ was a champ before. Winning here might open up more opportunities for him, and that means more financial gains. He's not going back to where he started since he is becoming a star in boxing already, if he is not considered a star yet.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 20, 2024, 09:31:07 AM

Very possible but things can get complicated with mandatory title defences. I'm not sure about other organisations but IBF has hinted in the past that the winner of Usyk Vs Fury will have to face Filip Hrgovic immediately after, so no fights in between (including possible rematch).
Whether or not they'll stick to it and actually vacate the title if Usyk/Fury refuse to fight Hrgovic is a mystery. But I think that if the money is right both of them wouldn't mind dropping the IBF title and maybe try to win it back in their own preferred time.

Now this is not a pressing issue for them, all attention is focused on the fight, which Fury is trying to push back by any means, the Gypsy King is cunning.

In the meantime, things have calmed down a bit around AJ's fight with Ngannou, and this is understandable, there was not very much interest in him initially, and now the hype with the appearance of Ngannou is also trying to get Emelianenko, who also wants to fight him. It seems that Ngannou has become a popular opponent that everyone wants to fight, and something tells me that it’s all about money.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 20, 2024, 09:31:07 AM

Very possible but things can get complicated with mandatory title defences.

It is bad that boxing is way more complicated than UFC. Yes my friend ? Cheesy

That UFC champs dont fight with other promotion champs Cheesy

We have a slightly similar situation. Fighters from other promotion or even other sports move to UFC and instantly get rather high position in rating. Chandler that moved from Bellator to UFC entered title race. Pereira who has moved from kickboxing to MMA very quickly got a title fight. The difference is that when they move, they at least have some fights till they enter rating. Not like 1 fight only and instantly among top10.

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Quote from: Dave1 on February 20, 2024, 07:32:36 AM

So same here, for sure if Ngannou beats AJ he will be the poster boy of WBC and then fight the winner of Fury vs Usyk.

Very possible but things can get complicated with mandatory title defences. I'm not sure about other organisations but IBF has hinted in the past that the winner of Usyk Vs Fury will have to face Filip Hrgovic immediately after, so no fights in between (including possible rematch).
Whether or not they'll stick to it and actually vacate the title if Usyk/Fury refuse to fight Hrgovic is a mystery. But I think that if the money is right both of them wouldn't mind dropping the IBF title and maybe try to win it back in their own preferred time.

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Anthony Joshua is great boxer but I think the king of ko Francis will beat him

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^ I guess it just shows how corrupt WBC as a organizations, they will give all the favor to the any fighter that is the current hype on their body. Canelo has his way with them, not fighting his mandatory and choosing any fighter that he wants to fight without any repercussions.

So same here, for sure if Ngannou beats AJ he will be the poster boy of WBC and then fight the winner of Fury vs Usyk.

But if can only last as long as Francis won, specially in a spectacular manner against Joshua.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 19, 2024, 12:31:01 PM

Less than a month to go now. AJ and Francis had their first face-to-face discussion recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbc_KOoCu2A

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2024, 11:24:35 AM

That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

Francis is ranked at Number 10 by the WBC, though I don't believe he should be. The WBC's reasoning was that he's already got a leg-up and proved himself through fighting in the UFC and shown he can go toe-to-toe with the current heavyweight champion of the world so therefore he deserves to be ranked. I mean, sure, maybe put him in the top 50 or something but not straight into the top 10. That's just silly but there's a reason many call the WBC "We Be Corrupt" and they obviously want their sanctioning fees. It will be interesting to see how long before he is challenging for the WBC belt though. Now he's in the top 10 he can actually fight for it, but fighting Fury again with the belt on the line would be a bit silly in my opinion. I would love for Francis to win it at some point but he needs to earn that right and not have it handed to him after a few fights. Of course, Fury might lose his belts soon but it seems Saudi was wanting Francis to fight the winner of Fury/Usyk so the belt could be on the line then, though I don't think it should be right now.

These are exact expressions on my face when I read from your post that he is now ranked 10 in WBC... I mean, it is stupidly unfair towards guys who were on top10 and below positions. Now with a single fight, he has moved them down, while they were crawling there for years. It is even more stupid when unranked guy fought champion, and now 10th place guy fights a guy who supposed to be Nr.1 contender for a belt. What now, if he beats AJ, he fights for the belt again?

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 19, 2024, 06:30:22 PM

Most likely it will be the case, if ever he will beat AJ, his hype will soar to a new level and boxing fans are going to clamor for Francis to fight the winner of Fury vs Usyk.

I think so too. Beating AJ would elevate Francis to a whole new level. Fury has already expressed interest in a rematch with Francis even before his fight against AJ was announced. And Ngannou Vs either Fury or Usyk would then be by far the most profitable option, which makes it the most likely one to happen.

Quote from: Kemarit on February 19, 2024, 06:30:22 PM

Francis though is still 4:1 underdog as per crypto based sport bookies.

These are actually pretty good odds for Francis. Many professional boxers don't get such odds when fighting the top guys. Ruiz was over 12:1 underdog in his first fight with AJ and still managed to win.

Quote from: electronicash on February 19, 2024, 03:06:31 PM

i'm sure if Francis is still in UFC, he'd be the main event in the historical UFC 300.

UFC300 will take place on 13th April, so shortly after the Ngannou Vs AJ fight and the main card for that is already completed and was recently announced.
I don't expect Ngannou to ever return to the UFC. Maybe if he loses badly to AJ and it's clear that he has no place in boxing, but even then, he might just retire or go to a different MMA organisation.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 19, 2024, 01:49:27 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 19, 2024, 12:31:01 PM

(...) Fury might lose his belts soon but it seems Saudi was wanting Francis to fight the winner of Fury/Usyk so the belt could be on the line then, though I don't think it should be right now.

If Ngannou was to beat AJ, then I wouldn't mind him fighting with a winner of Fury Vs Usyk. Sure, it will probably be a record speed to become an undisputed champion in only 3 fights, and giving a novice such a chance sounds like a joke at first. But not giving him such an opportunity, after almost beating Tyson in his very first boxing fight and after defeating Tony, would make the whole sport look bad.
It's not a good look when a newcomer manhandles all the top stars and boxing organisations pretending nothing is happening making him build his record from scratch. Given his age, he would never be able to get a title fight the "normal" way.
AJ fight will confirm if Ngannou belongs in the top 10 or was his first fight just a fluke.

Most likely it will be the case, if ever he will beat AJ, his hype will soar to a new level and boxing fans are going to clamor for Francis to fight the winner of Fury vs Usyk. Francis chances is to hit AJ with his power, just like what he did on his UFC days, that power though, once it touches anyone, it's night-night for them.

Francis though is still 4:1 underdog as per crypto based sport bookies. Could they be setting us for a trap here or odd makers still think that Francis is no anomaly or what he got is just his power and that's it. While Joshua on the other hand, pro-boxer, but they don't think that Francis can upset AJ in this fight and making him a huge underdog.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 19, 2024, 01:49:27 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 19, 2024, 12:31:01 PM

(...) Fury might lose his belts soon but it seems Saudi was wanting Francis to fight the winner of Fury/Usyk so the belt could be on the line then, though I don't think it should be right now.

If Ngannou was to beat AJ, then I wouldn't mind him fighting with a winner of Fury Vs Usyk. Sure, it will probably be a record speed to become an undisputed champion in only 3 fights, and giving a novice such a chance sounds like a joke at first. But not giving him such an opportunity, after almost beating Tyson in his very first boxing fight and after defeating Tony, would make the whole sport look bad.
It's not a good look when a newcomer manhandles all the top stars and boxing organisations pretending nothing is happening making him build his record from scratch. Given his age, he would never be able to get a title fight the "normal" way.
AJ fight will confirm if Ngannou belongs in the top 10 or was his first fight just a fluke.

i think Francis could knock either Usyk or Fury so he if wins his fight against AJ and is given a shot again i think he will be able to topple either. he was fighting a pro in his first debut but he managed to avoid getting hit hard but knocked down the champ. i'm sure if Francis is still in UFC, he'd be the main event in the historical UFC 300.

i am seeing AJ get wrecked by Fancis. even with that simple fight plan he had with Fury will already work with AJ. all he needs is to land big shots.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 19, 2024, 12:31:01 PM

(...) Fury might lose his belts soon but it seems Saudi was wanting Francis to fight the winner of Fury/Usyk so the belt could be on the line then, though I don't think it should be right now.

If Ngannou was to beat AJ, then I wouldn't mind him fighting with a winner of Fury Vs Usyk. Sure, it will probably be a record speed to become an undisputed champion in only 3 fights, and giving a novice such a chance sounds like a joke at first. But not giving him such an opportunity, after almost beating Tyson in his very first boxing fight and after defeating Tony, would make the whole sport look bad.
It's not a good look when a newcomer manhandles all the top stars and boxing organisations pretending nothing is happening making him build his record from scratch. Given his age, he would never be able to get a title fight the "normal" way.
AJ fight will confirm if Ngannou belongs in the top 10 or was his first fight just a fluke.

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Less than a month to go now. AJ and Francis had their first face-to-face discussion recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbc_KOoCu2A

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2024, 11:24:35 AM

That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

Francis is ranked at Number 10 by the WBC, though I don't believe he should be. The WBC's reasoning was that he's already got a leg-up and proved himself through fighting in the UFC and shown he can go toe-to-toe with the current heavyweight champion of the world so therefore he deserves to be ranked. I mean, sure, maybe put him in the top 50 or something but not straight into the top 10. That's just silly but there's a reason many call the WBC "We Be Corrupt" and they obviously want their sanctioning fees. It will be interesting to see how long before he is challenging for the WBC belt though. Now he's in the top 10 he can actually fight for it, but fighting Fury again with the belt on the line would be a bit silly in my opinion. I would love for Francis to win it at some point but he needs to earn that right and not have it handed to him after a few fights. Of course, Fury might lose his belts soon but it seems Saudi was wanting Francis to fight the winner of Fury/Usyk so the belt could be on the line then, though I don't think it should be right now.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2024, 11:24:35 AM

That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

It could still be said that Ngannou actually made his Boxing debut yesterday afternoon, but he has potential and Ngannou has managed to have quite good hype as newcomer to the world of Boxing.
It just that previously Ngannou was great fighter in the UFC and Ngannou had also managed to win the title for clear weight there, now Ngannou just needs to focus on his next fight against Anthony Joshua.
I still believe that Ngannou will be able to become champion and he will gain his ranking as time goes by, in his first debut, if he really succeeds in knocking out Fury then it is clear that Ngannou can be the first boxer to beat him.
Now Ngannou will start again and he will start from the start to be able to have ranking and be challenger for every weight class, it is possible that Ngannou can win various titles like Fury and Usyk.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2024, 05:42:02 PM

I don't think there's any risk of Fury underestimating Usyk and neglecting preparations. That being said, he mentioned in one of the interviews that he'll only train for 4-5 weeks before the fight, as opposed to 12 weeks he spent on preparing for Ngannou or Wilder. Not sure if he was serious though.

It could be just an excuse though. But good for him because he was able to win the fight, so regardless, that doesn't make him a bad fighter since Ngannou trained hard and wants to win also. Now, against Usyk, he can't say that he will be undertrained because this is a serious matter, it's an undisputed fight and everything is at stake here, including his popularity.

He was just lucky that the judges was in his favor on that fight. Everyone is saying that he will dominate and it will not go to distance. But there are boxing pundits who says that he almost lost that fight and it almost cost him a big payday against Usyk.

You call that lucky if you are one of the many who believed that Fury loss on that fight But it's hard to just follow the speculation like that as there's an official scorecard for a reason. Boxing maybe corrupt, like the judges are, however, we are only guided with the official result, and it's final, so we have to respect that.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on February 01, 2024, 11:59:40 PM

And so Francis Ngannou will have, I will say a second chance, this time it's better for him as Joshua doesn't have the chin and if that raw power of Francis touches that glass chin of Anthony, so it won't be a easy fight for him.

For Francis, he could be more familiar with boxing right now, and will be full of confidence based on his last performance against Tyson Fury.

I'm hoping to see that from him as he gained good experience on his first fight, he should be able to make the right adjustment in this fight although it's a different opponet. And yeah, it's noted that AJ as a soft chin, that should be the target of Ngannou, and I'm sure if AJ fall he will not be able to recover.

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