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Francis should have improved a lot since the Fury fight. Months of extra training and they at least now know his limits and what sort of gas-tank he has so they can work on his 'weaknesses' if any. I think Francis has got at least a few years left in him yet at 37 and could even be in his peak shape right now so I wouldn't worry too much about age right now. He could easily get in two or maybe three fights a year up until he's 40. Usyk is also the same age and Zhang is even older at 40 and is having the peak performance of his career right now.
Just remember who is going to be in his corner again, the legend Mike Tyson.
With him by his side Ngannou is going to improve a lot, he is going to learn few more boxing tricks, and I think Joshua has much more to lose in this fight than he does.
I just hope refs wont ruin the fight again with some weird decisions just because he is coming with mma background.




Mike Tyson it is, he is very confident with his fighter and I know they'll do better this time. Just look at this, last time he fought a champion, now against AJ which is a big downgrade, so despite not having the experience in boxing like AJ does, I think he is still very dangerous.

Ngannou learned a lot from his lose to Fury (although fans didn't agree on a loss) so for sure we will see a different Ngannou here, a fighter that will be more aggressive and will know how to conserve his energy well.

And the refs? don't worry about that as this fight will end up in KO. As to the winner, not sure who will win between the two.
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Francis should have improved a lot since the Fury fight. Months of extra training and they at least now know his limits and what sort of gas-tank he has so they can work on his 'weaknesses' if any. I think Francis has got at least a few years left in him yet at 37 and could even be in his peak shape right now so I wouldn't worry too much about age right now. He could easily get in two or maybe three fights a year up until he's 40. Usyk is also the same age and Zhang is even older at 40 and is having the peak performance of his career right now.
Just remember who is going to be in his corner again, the legend Mike Tyson.
With him by his side Ngannou is going to improve a lot, he is going to learn few more boxing tricks, and I think Joshua has much more to lose in this fight than he does.
I just hope refs wont ruin the fight again with some weird decisions just because he is coming with mma background.


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If what Francis said is true that he wasn't using 100% of his power due to fearing he may have gassed out early then that makes him doubly dangerous now.
Maybe there's some truth to that, but he'll have to pace himself anyway. With his >123kg of pure muscles, it won't be easy to stay oxygenated for a full 10 rounds.
I wonder if he'll try to cut more weight for this one. In the fight against Fury, he was the lighter one, but now he'll be over 10kg heavier than Joshua so it would make some sense to drop the weight a little bit to improve his cardio. He'll still have more than enough KO power.

I dunno. I think he should keep his size and just work on cardio, but I'm neither an expert or a trainer haha. One thing he's got is his size and AJ is also very big, so I think he should try to out-muscle him and use his strength and weight to his advantage to try weigh AJ down. This is what Fury usually tries to do to exhaust his opponents but he couldn't do that to Francis as he was just too big and heavy so this is now an advantage for Francis. Like against Fury I don't think Francis can outbox his opponent but as we have seen he can certainly floor his opponent and I think that's what he needs to try do early against AJ so he doesn't get outboxed or worn down over the rounds.

I was very impressed with how Ngannou fought like a boxer in the Fury fight but I think he needs to combine that with how he fought in the UFC and just use the power he has and try get an early KO which is pretty much how most of his UFC fights went.

100% agree. His best bet is to put the pressure on. Boxing gloves might be 2x larger than UFC ones, but for a guy this size, it won't make that big of a difference.
He knows how to counterstrike and how to throw combos other than the one-two, so hopefully we'll see some of that.
Francis is slowly approaching retirement age and doesn't have any time to waste + he's got a lot to win, so I hope he won't be holding back and just trying to survive.


Francis should have improved a lot since the Fury fight. Months of extra training and they at least now know his limits and what sort of gas-tank he has so they can work on his 'weaknesses' if any. I think Francis has got at least a few years left in him yet at 37 and could even be in his peak shape right now so I wouldn't worry too much about age right now. He could easily get in two or maybe three fights a year up until he's 40. Usyk is also the same age and Zhang is even older at 40 and is having the peak performance of his career right now.
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If what Francis said is true that he wasn't using 100% of his power due to fearing he may have gassed out early then that makes him doubly dangerous now.
Maybe there's some truth to that, but he'll have to pace himself anyway. With his >123kg of pure muscles, it won't be easy to stay oxygenated for a full 10 rounds.
I wonder if he'll try to cut more weight for this one. In the fight against Fury, he was the lighter one, but now he'll be over 10kg heavier than Joshua so it would make some sense to drop the weight a little bit to improve his cardio. He'll still have more than enough KO power.

I was very impressed with how Ngannou fought like a boxer in the Fury fight but I think he needs to combine that with how he fought in the UFC and just use the power he has and try get an early KO which is pretty much how most of his UFC fights went.

100% agree. His best bet is to put the pressure on. Boxing gloves might be 2x larger than UFC ones, but for a guy this size, it won't make that big of a difference.
He knows how to counterstrike and how to throw combos other than the one-two, so hopefully we'll see some of that.
Francis is slowly approaching retirement age and doesn't have any time to waste + he's got a lot to win, so I hope he won't be holding back and just trying to survive.
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In almost all of his fights I feel like Ngannou's robbed even though during analysis the other fighter's more powerful, especially during his fight with Fury where I still feel like he should've won that match and one of the very reasons why split decisions shouldn't even be a thing anymore, but I feel like this one's going to be different though. Joshua definitely got his own shit and something to prove for that matter but I feel like he's not gonna fare well in this battle.

If we are talking about Ngannou here, he has only 1 fight as a pro-boxer, but I do agree that he might have been robbed against Fury. Maybe everyone is on the bag as they don't want to derail Usyk vs Fury fight as a lot is on the line. But in this fight, if Ngannou is no longer just a hype job, he could really push Joshua to the limit here. Joshua has been mentality broken in Ruiz and Usyk fight. And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.



This fight is where Francis gets to prove himself and show that the first fight wasn't just a fluke. If what Francis said is true that he wasn't using 100% of his power due to fearing he may have gassed out early then that makes him doubly dangerous now. He knows he can up the pressure and not take it as easy as the first fight and no doubt he's improved in training from his first fight too along with hopefully working on his cardio. I was very impressed with how Ngannou fought like a boxer in the Fury fight but I think he needs to combine that with how he fought in the UFC and just use the power he has and try get an early KO which is pretty much how most of his UFC fights went. As people have said, AJ probably has a weaker chin as well so he needs to capitalise on that, but AJ is on a bit of a winning streak right now and seems to be very confident and got his mojo back but that could also be very easily taken away from him too. AJ will be seeing this fight as a chance to get one over on Fury by proxy and do a better job than he did whilst trying to get a fight with Fury next in the process.

And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.

Ngannou doesn't have a good gas tank. His mouth was already wide open as early as the second round. But I admire him for knowing how to save it. His style doesn't consume much energy. He's not throwing away useless punches here and there. So even if his tank is already running low, he can still very much throw his strong punch.

He did go the full ten rounds against the current heavyweight champ of the world though so lets give him credit for that. I'm sure he's been working on his cardio too but maybe Francis will try get an early KO this time so he doesn't need to go the distance but if he can do it against Fury I think he can do it against AJ as well.
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Anthony Joshua is coming off his best win since losing his titles to Andy Ruiz.

Nope, he had 3 losses already, first from Andy Ruiz, then two against Oleksandr Usyk.

You can review his record from https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659461

He also had several wins since then but they had left some doubt because he lacked confidence and looked fearful. By beating Wallin so one-sided it convinced people that he is still a viable contender who could be competitive against the best heavyweights. That's as close to prime Joshua as we have seen in several years. If he can win impressively against an opponent that Fury struggled with then he will become the most obvious candidate to face whoever becomes undisputed champion next month.
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Yes, Ngannou showed some tendency to try ending the fight. He suddenly gets aggressive and throws powerful punches. If this was done to Joshua, the fight would have ended. Tyson is a different fighter. Knocking him down doesn't necessarily give you a big advantage.

Joshua is not like Fury because based on his past fights, he obviously cannot withstand huge power punches like what has landed on Fury and we all know that Ngannou will train to make punches like that land more accurately on his opponent since he already has the power and if he can easily win against Joshua, then they will gonna make a duology against Fury in his next bout unless if fury will gonna lost against Usyk, then it will be Usyk vs Ngannou next time for more money and surely they will get another big sponsor once again.
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And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.

Ngannou doesn't have a good gas tank. His mouth was already wide open as early as the second round. But I admire him for knowing how to save it. His style doesn't consume much energy. He's not throwing away useless punches here and there. So even if his tank is already running low, he can still very much throw his strong punch. And considering that Joshua has this problem as well, it's totally fine for Ngannou to have this limit.
His mouth was already from round one, so we can't tell if he was really tired starting from round 2. In fact, he knocked Fury down in round 3, that means he still have the strenght to throw power punches. Maybe in the later rounds he got tired as he could not defend well the jabs thrown to him, and IMO, that's the reason why he lose in that fight.

It seems Ngannou was already catching his breath in round 3, but then a strong punch is always a strong punch even when one is already breathing heavily. It might not be as swift, but it will definitely remain powerful when it hits. As the fight continued, it was more obvious that Ngannou was running out of air. And with Tyson having the ability to remain quick until the end, the tired Ngannou was easily outscored.

If Joshua was at the receiving end of that knockdown blow of Ngannou against Fury, the fight could have ended in a KO.

That's for sure, I completely agree with you. Joshua has a weak chin, so I don't think he'll be able to stand up after that huge hit, or if he could stand up againt he would still be finish in the same round if there's still enough time.

Yes, Ngannou showed some tendency to try ending the fight. He suddenly gets aggressive and throws powerful punches. If this was done to Joshua, the fight would have ended. Tyson is a different fighter. Knocking him down doesn't necessarily give you a big advantage.
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If we are talking about Ngannou here, he has only 1 fight as a pro-boxer, but I do agree that he might have been robbed against Fury. Maybe everyone is on the bag as they don't want to derail Usyk vs Fury fight as a lot is on the line. But in this fight, if Ngannou is no longer just a hype job, he could really push Joshua to the limit here. Joshua has been mentality broken in Ruiz and Usyk fight. And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.
You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the power of Ngannou, there's no doubt that he's going to kill everyone that he's punching if he does punch with all of his might. Have you seen the videos where Joe Rogan and Dana White vouched for his strength? That alone should be enough to make you believe that Ngannou will demolish Joshua in this fight, the derail part of that isn't the reason for the loss, it's the corrupt boxing federation that's creating this problem, the deserving don't win and the favorite gets the favors of the judges and Ngannou's no hype job, he can deliver what people are telling others about him.

Here's one of the times that Rogan talked about Ngannou's punching power
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https://youtube.com/shorts/WzYIICl-xqk?si=4cDRUZsnlLAhRhKn
Here's the one where Dana talks about the punching power of Ngannou
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https://youtube.com/shorts/1KiqYXMlQQQ?si=r-Y_7HQcfW472fOR

Although Rogan always has the habit of exaggerating things, I can agree that Ngannou really has to most powerful punch and it's no wonder he knocked down Fury and it wasn't even his full swing. If it was, Fury may not have stood back up again. The Dana speaking right there I think was before Ngannou asked for his freedom to fight in boxing.

Once Ngannou achieves this win,  a lot more fights that Ngannou will face before Fury will ever give him the rematch. The bright side is he will get millions.
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His mouth was already from round one, so we can't tell if he was really tired starting from round 2. In fact, he knocked Fury down in round 3, that means he still have the strenght to throw power punches. Maybe in the later rounds he got tired as he could not defend well the jabs thrown to him, and IMO, that's the reason why he lose in that fight.

I wouldn’t regard the judges’ decision in that fight as fairly fair, but perhaps giving Ngannou the victory would also have been too easy. The Fury did not win this fight is a fact, Ngannou fought with the champion and his victory should have been certain, I really hope that he realizes this and knocks Joshua out.

Joshua sees this fight with Ngannou as a chance for himself to prove that he can return to the top fighters, but for some reason I think that this fight can break him even more, because I think that Ngannou is capable of defeating Joshua.
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And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.

Ngannou doesn't have a good gas tank. His mouth was already wide open as early as the second round. But I admire him for knowing how to save it. His style doesn't consume much energy. He's not throwing away useless punches here and there. So even if his tank is already running low, he can still very much throw his strong punch. And considering that Joshua has this problem as well, it's totally fine for Ngannou to have this limit.
His mouth was already from round one, so we can't tell if he was really tired starting from round 2. In fact, he knocked Fury down in round 3, that means he still have the strenght to throw power punches. Maybe in the later rounds he got tired as he could not defend well the jabs thrown to him, and IMO, that's the reason why he lose in that fight.


If Joshua was at the receiving end of that knockdown blow of Ngannou against Fury, the fight could have ended in a KO.

That's for sure, I completely agree with you. Joshua has a weak chin, so I don't think he'll be able to stand up after that huge hit, or if he could stand up againt he would still be finish in the same round if there's still enough time.
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If we are talking about Ngannou here, he has only 1 fight as a pro-boxer, but I do agree that he might have been robbed against Fury. Maybe everyone is on the bag as they don't want to derail Usyk vs Fury fight as a lot is on the line. But in this fight, if Ngannou is no longer just a hype job, he could really push Joshua to the limit here. Joshua has been mentality broken in Ruiz and Usyk fight. And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.
You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the power of Ngannou, there's no doubt that he's going to kill everyone that he's punching if he does punch with all of his might. Have you seen the videos where Joe Rogan and Dana White vouched for his strength? That alone should be enough to make you believe that Ngannou will demolish Joshua in this fight, the derail part of that isn't the reason for the loss, it's the corrupt boxing federation that's creating this problem, the deserving don't win and the favorite gets the favors of the judges and Ngannou's no hype job, he can deliver what people are telling others about him.

Here's one of the times that Rogan talked about Ngannou's punching power
Code:
https://youtube.com/shorts/WzYIICl-xqk?si=4cDRUZsnlLAhRhKn
Here's the one where Dana talks about the punching power of Ngannou
Code:
https://youtube.com/shorts/1KiqYXMlQQQ?si=r-Y_7HQcfW472fOR
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And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.

Ngannou doesn't have a good gas tank. His mouth was already wide open as early as the second round. But I admire him for knowing how to save it. His style doesn't consume much energy. He's not throwing away useless punches here and there. So even if his tank is already running low, he can still very much throw his strong punch. And considering that Joshua has this problem as well, it's totally fine for Ngannou to have this limit.

If Joshua was at the receiving end of that knockdown blow of Ngannou against Fury, the fight could have ended in a KO.
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In almost all of his fights I feel like Ngannou's robbed even though during analysis the other fighter's more powerful, especially during his fight with Fury where I still feel like he should've won that match and one of the very reasons why split decisions shouldn't even be a thing anymore, but I feel like this one's going to be different though. Joshua definitely got his own shit and something to prove for that matter but I feel like he's not gonna fare well in this battle.

If we are talking about Ngannou here, he has only 1 fight as a pro-boxer, but I do agree that he might have been robbed against Fury. Maybe everyone is on the bag as they don't want to derail Usyk vs Fury fight as a lot is on the line. But in this fight, if Ngannou is no longer just a hype job, he could really push Joshua to the limit here.
Definitely, he should not be underestimated as he has a power to be a dominant heavyweight fighter. I'm sure Joshua is preparing well to get a victory, due the popularity of Ngannou now, it could be a big boost on Joshua's career if he wins, especially if he could KO Ngannou.

Joshua has been mentality broken in Ruiz and Usyk fight. And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.

But he is fine now, he came back and start winning again. Joshua would not have a chance if you believe Ngannou is as good as Usyk.
The only legit defeat of Joshua was against Usyk, against Ruiz, he loss on their first encounter but in the rematch he proved himself that he is the better fighter.
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In almost all of his fights I feel like Ngannou's robbed even though during analysis the other fighter's more powerful, especially during his fight with Fury where I still feel like he should've won that match and one of the very reasons why split decisions shouldn't even be a thing anymore, but I feel like this one's going to be different though. Joshua definitely got his own shit and something to prove for that matter but I feel like he's not gonna fare well in this battle.

If we are talking about Ngannou here, he has only 1 fight as a pro-boxer, but I do agree that he might have been robbed against Fury. Maybe everyone is on the bag as they don't want to derail Usyk vs Fury fight as a lot is on the line. But in this fight, if Ngannou is no longer just a hype job, he could really push Joshua to the limit here. Joshua has been mentality broken in Ruiz and Usyk fight. And if by chance Ngannou's hit his mark on Joshua's chin, this fight will end early. And Francis as well show that he had a good gas tank, so if the fight goes to distance, he can still upset Joshua as Anthony's gas tank is suspected as well and in the Usyk second fight, we have seen him getting tired in the championship rounds.

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In almost all of his fights I feel like Ngannou's robbed even though during analysis the other fighter's more powerful, especially during his fight with Fury where I still feel like he should've won that match and one of the very reasons why split decisions shouldn't even be a thing anymore, but I feel like this one's going to be different though. Joshua definitely got his own shit and something to prove for that matter but I feel like he's not gonna fare well in this battle.

Ngannou's a heavy hitter and a tough fighter for that matter, he knocked Fury down of all people and cemented his name in the boxing annals as someone who's capable of packing a punch and taking some to boot. If AJ couldn't figure out a way to kill his momentum and put him down, Ngannou's going to wear the hell out of him and knock him down eventually. This is going to be a battle of attrition so to speak since I feel like both fighters are capable of sending good punches and taking them, it's just a matter of how heavy those punches feel that would really be the clincher.

In any case, another fight to be excited about. Not as hyped as their fight against Tyson but hell I'd take whatever I can at this point just so I can see Ngannou fight.
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I think there's more on the line for AJ though. Ngannou isn't expected to win, and shouldn't on paper, but if AJ actually loses this fight then that seriously knocks him down the pecking order not to mention embarrasses him. AJ has got himself back on track to soon challenge for the belts again but a loss would be devastating. AJ even proclaimed "Every opponent me and Fury have in common, I've knocked them out" recently, but means nothing if Ngannou flattens him. However, if AJ can knock down or stop him then that puts him in front of Tyson with something he couldn't do. AJ really needs this win to get a one up of Fury and sets the fight up between them nicely.

You're probably right. I didn't really think of what it looks like from AJ's perspective. Losing to Francis could be a big setback for him. Unless they both would give a tremendous fight and the fans would demand a rematch etc then he could get revenge in a rematch and all lived happily ever after...

My first thought is that AJ's loss would be a huge dent in the entire boxing as a sport. It doesn't look great when an outsider comes in and just casually beats up all the top guys. But on second thought, it could be spun as Ngannou being some sort of prodigy, a one-in-a-million natural boxer etc. I'm sure he already brought in a lot of new fans to the sport, as things looked pretty stale without him.

And AJ Vs Fury could still be a possibility if both lost their fights. But that's unlikely to happen.
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Parker was impressive but Wilder seemed off to me. I think Zhang will either win by KO or Parker on points, but I think Zhang should get a KO. Joe Joyce got a KO against Parker and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and was the first to do so.

Good analysis, between the two Zhang, is a big hitter, and that was an ugly knockout of Zhang over Joyce, did we all hear how the crowd reacted every time Zhang snapped Joyce's head?

If Zhang can find his range and he can deliver that straight left Parker is in trouble, and we should all remember Joyce beat Parker by a TKO and Zhang beat Joyce twice by stoppage, if parker fights the way he fought Wilder he has a good chance to win on points and if Zhang delivers a performance as he did against Joyce he will win by knockout, so its all about implementation and who wants the to win the most.

Not only can Zhang bang but he can take punches as well. To me he's the real Juggernaut. Joe Joyce does have notoriously bad defence but up until the Zhang fights he just took everything thrown at him and kept moving forward. If Parker performs as good as he did with Wilder he could cause Zhang issues but I think Zhang is too strong so unless Parker can wear him down I think Parker will suffer another KO. Gotta respect him for getting in the ring with Zhang though as it seems a lot of fighters including Wilder and Dubois were offered the fight and turned it down, which I don't blame them.

If the fight goes the distance, Zhang could lose. He isn't used to a fight that would take more than 3 rounds. As long as Parker could avoid the left and just dance around til he gets the chance, maybe UD. On the other hand, even when we can tell Parker can take huge punches, he wouldn't last in fighting Zhang toe to toe, especially in the first rounds.


I'd be surprised if it does go the distance but that's probably the only way Zhang loses. Zhang has pretty much won all his fights by either KO or TKO, though he did lose on points to Hrgović recently but I and most others seem to think he won that.
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Parker was impressive but Wilder seemed off to me. I think Zhang will either win by KO or Parker on points, but I think Zhang should get a KO. Joe Joyce got a KO against Parker and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and was the first to do so.

Good analysis, between the two Zhang, is a big hitter, and that was an ugly knockout of Zhang over Joyce, did we all hear how the crowd reacted every time Zhang snapped Joyce's head?

If Zhang can find his range and he can deliver that straight left Parker is in trouble, and we should all remember Joyce beat Parker by a TKO and Zhang beat Joyce twice by stoppage, if parker fights the way he fought Wilder he has a good chance to win on points and if Zhang delivers a performance as he did against Joyce he will win by knockout, so its all about implementation and who wants the to win the most.

If the fight goes the distance, Zhang could lose. He isn't used to a fight that would take more than 3 rounds. As long as Parker could avoid the left and just dance around til he gets the chance, maybe UD. On the other hand, even when we can tell Parker can take huge punches, he wouldn't last in fighting Zhang toe to toe, especially in the first rounds.

Wilder fumbled the bag. He should have been the one fighting Zhang but turned down while shouting AJ ducking him.

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Parker was impressive but Wilder seemed off to me. I think Zhang will either win by KO or Parker on points, but I think Zhang should get a KO. Joe Joyce got a KO against Parker and Zhang absolutely battered Joyce twice and was the first to do so.

Good analysis, between the two Zhang, is a big hitter, and that was an ugly knockout of Zhang over Joyce, did we all hear how the crowd reacted every time Zhang snapped Joyce's head?

If Zhang can find his range and he can deliver that straight left Parker is in trouble, and we should all remember Joyce beat Parker by a TKO and Zhang beat Joyce twice by stoppage, if parker fights the way he fought Wilder he has a good chance to win on points and if Zhang delivers a performance as he did against Joyce he will win by knockout, so its all about implementation and who wants the to win the most.
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