[Boxing] Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - March 9 - page 11.

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Quote from: Sanitough on February 01, 2024, 11:46:06 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2024, 05:42:02 PM

I don't think there's any risk of Fury underestimating Usyk and neglecting preparations. That being said, he mentioned in one of the interviews that he'll only train for 4-5 weeks before the fight, as opposed to 12 weeks he spent on preparing for Ngannou or Wilder. Not sure if he was serious though.

It could be just an excuse though. But good for him because he was able to win the fight, so regardless, that doesn't make him a bad fighter since Ngannou trained hard and wants to win also. Now, against Usyk, he can't say that he will be undertrained because this is a serious matter, it's an undisputed fight and everything is at stake here, including his popularity.

He was just lucky that the judges was in his favor on that fight. Everyone is saying that he will dominate and it will not go to distance. But there are boxing pundits who says that he almost lost that fight and it almost cost him a big payday against Usyk.

And so Francis Ngannou will have, I will say a second chance, this time it's better for him as Joshua doesn't have the chin and if that raw power of Francis touches that glass chin of Anthony, so it won't be a easy fight for him.

For Francis, he could be more familiar with boxing right now, and will be full of confidence based on his last performance against Tyson Fury.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2024, 05:42:02 PM

I don't think there's any risk of Fury underestimating Usyk and neglecting preparations. That being said, he mentioned in one of the interviews that he'll only train for 4-5 weeks before the fight, as opposed to 12 weeks he spent on preparing for Ngannou or Wilder. Not sure if he was serious though.

It could be just an excuse though. But good for him because he was able to win the fight, so regardless, that doesn't make him a bad fighter since Ngannou trained hard and wants to win also. Now, against Usyk, he can't say that he will be undertrained because this is a serious matter, it's an undisputed fight and everything is at stake here, including his popularity.

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Quote from: bittraffic on February 01, 2024, 12:43:55 PM

Fury did train and it's been on the videos shown while he was sparring with someone. (...)

He was properly prepared for the fight according to himself and people who know him (including Tom Aspinall). He had a perfect excuse to explain his below-the-expectations performance of "I guess I underestimated him a bit and didn't train as hard as I should" - but he never went with it and was honest.

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Not preparing for Usyk fight will be Fury's end. Usyk is a much better fighter than Fury, everyone could see that on their records. Fury hasn't unified a belt.

I don't think there's any risk of Fury underestimating Usyk and neglecting preparations. That being said, he mentioned in one of the interviews that he'll only train for 4-5 weeks before the fight, as opposed to 12 weeks he spent on preparing for Ngannou or Wilder. Not sure if he was serious though.

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Quote from: Questat on February 01, 2024, 10:00:58 AM

Quote from: mirakal on February 01, 2024, 08:54:52 AM

Quote from: Getmon on February 01, 2024, 06:53:17 AM

Ngannou will also examine his previous match and learn from his mistakes. However, I simply do not think it is enough, in this next match, he is not taken lightly. Joshua improved after several wins and perhaps back to his old condition. Joshua will go out there and fire his bombs with the goal of annihilating Ngannou. Ngannou, in my opinion, is unable to keep up. But if it is a terrified Joshua, Ngannou gets an opportunity to break that chin once more.

The question is, did Fury trained hard on their fight? If Fury didn't took the fight seriously, then Ngannou could not make it as a basis for his adjustment as simply what he faced was not the real Tyson Fury. Here, this fight, his opponent AJ will trained as usual so Ngannou needs to have a big improvement as well. There's a reason why he loss on his last fight, people should stop hyping up his suppose victory because by record it didn't happen.

He now have a chance to proved to the world if he is really a legit star in boxing, so it's important to beat AJ, otherwise, people will think that he should go back to where he belonged, where he is good at.

That was just an assumption from random people, but since Fury didn't confirm that, we should assume that Fury did the right training before the fight although in the trailer he was just more on eating. Fury, always came prepared, that's why he is still undefeated until now, and honestly, in his recent fights, I haven't seen any fighter that he had a hard time beating. It's easy for him because he is smart, and I even doubt Usyk could give him a problem in their unification fight.

AJ vs Ngannou is definitely gonna attract the crowd, there's no question about that, the only question is if Ngannou can stand against AJ who has a high KO rate than Fury. 24 KO of 27 fights, that's high.

Fury did train and it's been on the videos shown while he was sparring with someone. He knows it's a real fight and he knows Ngannou has the hardest punch in MMA I don't think he will just disregard what Ngannou can do and will not prepare for it. Not preparing for Usyk fight will be Fury's end. Usyk is a much better fighter than Fury, everyone could see that on their records. Fury hasn't unified a belt.

If Mike Tyson is not on the side of Ngannou this time, probably because Mike Tyson had already taught him all he could.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 01, 2024, 08:54:52 AM

Quote from: Getmon on February 01, 2024, 06:53:17 AM

Ngannou will also examine his previous match and learn from his mistakes. However, I simply do not think it is enough, in this next match, he is not taken lightly. Joshua improved after several wins and perhaps back to his old condition. Joshua will go out there and fire his bombs with the goal of annihilating Ngannou. Ngannou, in my opinion, is unable to keep up. But if it is a terrified Joshua, Ngannou gets an opportunity to break that chin once more.

The question is, did Fury trained hard on their fight? If Fury didn't took the fight seriously, then Ngannou could not make it as a basis for his adjustment as simply what he faced was not the real Tyson Fury. Here, this fight, his opponent AJ will trained as usual so Ngannou needs to have a big improvement as well. There's a reason why he loss on his last fight, people should stop hyping up his suppose victory because by record it didn't happen.

He now have a chance to proved to the world if he is really a legit star in boxing, so it's important to beat AJ, otherwise, people will think that he should go back to where he belonged, where he is good at.

That was just an assumption from random people, but since Fury didn't confirm that, we should assume that Fury did the right training before the fight although in the trailer he was just more on eating. Fury, always came prepared, that's why he is still undefeated until now, and honestly, in his recent fights, I haven't seen any fighter that he had a hard time beating. It's easy for him because he is smart, and I even doubt Usyk could give him a problem in their unification fight.

AJ vs Ngannou is definitely gonna attract the crowd, there's no question about that, the only question is if Ngannou can stand against AJ who has a high KO rate than Fury. 24 KO of 27 fights, that's high.

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Quote from: Getmon on February 01, 2024, 06:53:17 AM

Ngannou will also examine his previous match and learn from his mistakes. However, I simply do not think it is enough, in this next match, he is not taken lightly. Joshua improved after several wins and perhaps back to his old condition. Joshua will go out there and fire his bombs with the goal of annihilating Ngannou. Ngannou, in my opinion, is unable to keep up. But if it is a terrified Joshua, Ngannou gets an opportunity to break that chin once more.

The question is, did Fury trained hard on their fight? If Fury didn't took the fight seriously, then Ngannou could not make it as a basis for his adjustment as simply what he faced was not the real Tyson Fury. Here, this fight, his opponent AJ will trained as usual so Ngannou needs to have a big improvement as well. There's a reason why he loss on his last fight, people should stop hyping up his suppose victory because by record it didn't happen.

He now have a chance to proved to the world if he is really a legit star in boxing, so it's important to beat AJ, otherwise, people will think that he should go back to where he belonged, where he is good at.

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Quote from: Getmon on January 30, 2024, 01:49:07 AM

Seriously? Are these individuals composed of mma fans and voters with little boxing knowledge? Anyhow, only wager small sums or do not wager at all in this match because you will see the absolute annihilation of Ngannou.

Ngannou is simply riding his fame in light of his contested loss to Fury. But in my opinion, he cannot win a boxing match even at the degree of Joshua which is inferior compared to Fury. Joshua will have great preparations because in his mentality he can demonstrate that he can be better than Fury.

Ngannou left a good impression against Fury, who is considered the best heavyweight in the world. Joshua isn't as good as Fury and has a glass chin so they are basing their predictions on simple logic. What isn't being considered is that going into his fight with Fury, Ngannou had never boxed before so we didn't know his strengths and weaknesses. Now that Ngannou has some experience, Joshua has some footage to study and he also knows what mistakes Fury made in his preparation, or lack thereof.

I am not so confident that Ngannou gets annihilated. Most people thought the same thing about Andy Ruiz. Ruiz shocked the world and AJ has never really been the same since. I think the odds are about where they should be. AJ is rightfully favored but at heavyweight nothing is guaranteed, especially when your opponent has the kind of power that Ngannou possesses.

We will soon find out who is the best heavyweight in the world. Ngannou stunned the world when he showed he could hold his ground and gave Fury a night to remember. However, results like that are uncommon and only occur a handful of times.

Ngannou will also examine his previous match and learn from his mistakes. However, I simply do not think it is enough, in this next match, he is not taken lightly. Joshua improved after several wins and perhaps back to his old condition. Joshua will go out there and fire his bombs with the goal of annihilating Ngannou. Ngannou, in my opinion, is unable to keep up. But if it is a terrified Joshua, Ngannou gets an opportunity to break that chin once more.

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Quote from: Getmon on January 30, 2024, 01:49:07 AM

Seriously? Are these individuals composed of mma fans and voters with little boxing knowledge? Anyhow, only wager small sums or do not wager at all in this match because you will see the absolute annihilation of Ngannou.

Ngannou is simply riding his fame in light of his contested loss to Fury. But in my opinion, he cannot win a boxing match even at the degree of Joshua which is inferior compared to Fury. Joshua will have great preparations because in his mentality he can demonstrate that he can be better than Fury.

Ngannou left a good impression against Fury, who is considered the best heavyweight in the world. Joshua isn't as good as Fury and has a glass chin so they are basing their predictions on simple logic. What isn't being considered is that going into his fight with Fury, Ngannou had never boxed before so we didn't know his strengths and weaknesses. Now that Ngannou has some experience, Joshua has some footage to study and he also knows what mistakes Fury made in his preparation, or lack thereof.

I am not so confident that Ngannou gets annihilated. Most people thought the same thing about Andy Ruiz. Ruiz shocked the world and AJ has never really been the same since. I think the odds are about where they should be. AJ is rightfully favored but at heavyweight nothing is guaranteed, especially when your opponent has the kind of power that Ngannou possesses.

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That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

I think it just carry his reputation from MMA/UFC and that's why he was able to skipped all the necessaries "path to the champion", as he is a champion on the other discipline. And boxing bodies approved of his fight to Tyson Fury, so he maybe unranked for now, but with his experienced on a similar sports, he was given that green life to be a professional boxer.

Besides, he was a star himself, could generated and put people to buy tickets and live gates and it was evident with this fight with Tyson Fury. And now he has been given this opportunity to fight Joshua and who knows, he could pull a upset here.

Anyway, if Ngannou wins, I would be disappointed with AJ. If after the fight Ngannou gets some privileges, all of a sudden becomes an obligatory title contender, I would be disappointed with boxing federation.

Well we have been disappointed with boxing federations for many years, and even to promoters who didn't bring the fight that we want as boxing fans, due to politics, corruption and other factors. So this is no exception, they have given Francis some privileges and it's obvious because of the money involved, and all this federation and promoters who will get those chunk of money. Saudi is now becoming the haven of boxing, with them having billions at their disposal. And promoters are drooling over it that rivals Frank Warren and Eddie Hearn has set aside their war and politics and have been staging huge money fight in the Middle East. Just like what we are going to witness, Saudi wanted to held this fight, Ngannou's name is now on top of the HW division and so this federation and promoters will have to deliver it.

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 30, 2024, 06:41:28 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2024, 11:24:35 AM

That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

I think it just carry his reputation from MMA/UFC and that's why he was able to skipped all the necessaries "path to the champion", as he is a champion on the other discipline. And boxing bodies approved of his fight to Tyson Fury, so he maybe unranked for now, but with his experienced on a similar sports, he was given that green life to be a professional boxer.

Besides, he was a star himself, could generated and put people to buy tickets and live gates and it was evident with this fight with Tyson Fury. And now he has been given this opportunity to fight Joshua and who knows, he could pull a upset here.

Lets imagine a situation. You are an employee in a large company. You have worked your career from "bring this, help there guy", through simple bookkeeper to head of department. Now you are about to become CFO. But, all of a sudden appears a guy, who has worked behind cashdesk at the shop and tell you to wait. Because "he has also worked with money". Would it be fair?

Anyway, if Ngannou wins, I would be disappointed with AJ. If after the fight Ngannou gets some privileges, all of a sudden becomes an obligatory title contender, I would be disappointed with boxing federation.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 30, 2024, 11:24:35 AM

That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

I think it just carry his reputation from MMA/UFC and that's why he was able to skipped all the necessaries "path to the champion", as he is a champion on the other discipline. And boxing bodies approved of his fight to Tyson Fury, so he maybe unranked for now, but with his experienced on a similar sports, he was given that green life to be a professional boxer.

Besides, he was a star himself, could generated and put people to buy tickets and live gates and it was evident with this fight with Tyson Fury. And now he has been given this opportunity to fight Joshua and who knows, he could pull a upset here.

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That is why boxing has rank system, ratings and etc. Otherwise any good unknown boxer would come, defeat everyone and sponsors gonna lose their “champion is promoting us” thing. It is not enough to simply be good. You must be good and be high in rank. So far Ngannou is unranked. Btw, Ngannou does not deserve to be a champion. Simply because he has skipped all that “path to face champion”. He did not fight other contenders. And it is to late for him to do that.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 29, 2024, 05:32:54 AM

Like you have said, it is not easy to become a champion, more hard to become an Olympic champion. But when a guy from other sports comes and beats you, then what kind of champion you are, or are boxing champions really that good?

I bet you can swim. If you beat Michael Phelps suddenly, wont it mean that the effort and time professional athletes spent on becoming a champion is worthless, or their records are fake? It is not about being able to afford to train like AJ instead of throwing sand and etc. It is about anyone can beat the best. If anyone can do it, wont it mean that that "best" if fake?

I completely disagree, if you are good enough to beat Michael Phelps, then you will definitely go and show what you can and they will take you to the team, and you will become a champion.

It’s the same in boxing, if you think that you are stronger than Joshua or Fury, then you will go to boxing, defeat everyone and reach these guys, if you defeat them too, then no one will be able to say that you are not a real champion. It doesn’t matter if you are an Olympic champion in the past, or if you are the current champion now, if you are stronger, then you have the right to be called a champion. But for this you must go through the path that Joshua, Fury or Ngannou went through, each had their own, but each of them deserves to be a champion.

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Quote from: Getmon on January 30, 2024, 01:49:07 AM

Seriously? Are these individuals composed of mma fans and voters with little boxing knowledge? Anyhow, only wager small sums or do not wager at all in this match because you will see the absolute annihilation of Ngannou.

Ngannou is simply riding his fame in light of his contested loss to Fury. But in my opinion, he cannot win a boxing match even at the degree of Joshua which is inferior compared to Fury. Joshua will have great preparations because in his mentality he can demonstrate that he can be better than Fury.

That's your opinion though, just like other opinion, it has to be respected. AJ has became a champion, loss and now trying to be back at the top again, he certainly is the favored to win here for that reason. Ngannou on the other and was popular due to his fight with Fury, he lose but people though he won, that's just it, he has never proven it yet so he is not likely to win, and bookies would agree with that, however, they are not right all the time, so they could also be wrong this time.

Bookies make him the underdog just like his fight with Fury. of course, they will do that as AJ is a pro and has been fighting in boxing for years and has won a championship while Ngannou just recently came on the picture after a stellar performance against Fury, but this time it's either he lose or win convincingly. His hype will be over as soon as he got 2 L in his boxing record and AJ's journey towards the championship fight will continue.

Quote from: Sanitough on January 30, 2024, 02:12:51 AM

What I'm waiting to see here is on how AJ would beat Ngannou who is a monster on the ring, he might not have the kind of quickness or IQ on boxing champions, but boy, he got some power that when he would able to knockout his opponent, I don't know if AJ would recover.

I'm pretty sure that AJ is well aware of Ngannou's power, and he's been down many times, he knew the feeling, so he'll sure learn from his mistakes and come out more mature and take it easy to beat Ngannou.

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That is the point. MMA has only part from boxing. Defence is different. Body position is different. Footwork is different. If in MMA they would try to walk behind opponents front leg like basics in boxing, then it would be an easy target for single leg take down. If they would lean and clinch in MMA like in boxing, then it will be more easier to take opponent down. It is like checkers and chess. Same board but two completely different games. That is why it is strange that the guy who played “checkers” all the time, would beat the guy who is worlds champ in “chess”.

Good points, but in this analogy, Ngannou would be more of a chess player and Fury would be a checkers guy (as MMA has more elements than boxing).
And, all of a sudden, a chess master beating a checkers master doesn't sound so incredible.

In other news, the betting payout rates for Ngannou are dropping, meaning bookies start giving him more chances of winning, or this is just a result of too many people betting on Francis (kind of in line with the results of the poll in this topic).

Nope, Ngannou is still a checkers guy, because all those skill he learn for MMA, not all of them are striking Cheesy

He is like a bit of a chess, a bit of a checkers, a bit of a backgammon, a bit of a scrabble guy Cheesy

Where AJ is a pure chess player. And his coach is the guy who has been doing F2-F4 most of his time. How you gonna beat a chess grandmaster with all that combo? Sound impossible on a paper. But IRL that guy manage to beat chess grandmasters. And that is why such games, victories and results cast shadow on chess in general.

I hope after such complicated discription, my vision of Ngannou in boxing and vs boxers is clear Cheesy

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Quote from: Getmon on January 30, 2024, 01:49:07 AM

Seriously? Are these individuals composed of mma fans and voters with little boxing knowledge? Anyhow, only wager small sums or do not wager at all in this match because you will see the absolute annihilation of Ngannou.

Ngannou is simply riding his fame in light of his contested loss to Fury. But in my opinion, he cannot win a boxing match even at the degree of Joshua which is inferior compared to Fury. Joshua will have great preparations because in his mentality he can demonstrate that he can be better than Fury.

That's your opinion though, just like other opinion, it has to be respected. AJ has became a champion, loss and now trying to be back at the top again, he certainly is the favored to win here for that reason. Ngannou on the other and was popular due to his fight with Fury, he lose but people though he won, that's just it, he has never proven it yet so he is not likely to win, and bookies would agree with that, however, they are not right all the time, so they could also be wrong this time.

What I'm waiting to see here is on how AJ would beat Ngannou who is a monster on the ring, he might not have the kind of quickness or IQ on boxing champions, but boy, he got some power that when he would able to knockout his opponent, I don't know if AJ would recover.

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Seriously? Are these individuals composed of mma fans and voters with little boxing knowledge? Anyhow, only wager small sums or do not wager at all in this match because you will see the absolute annihilation of Ngannou.

Ngannou is simply riding his fame in light of his contested loss to Fury. But in my opinion, he cannot win a boxing match even at the degree of Joshua which is inferior compared to Fury. Joshua will have great preparations because in his mentality he can demonstrate that he can be better than Fury.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 29, 2024, 08:17:50 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on January 29, 2024, 11:21:08 AM

That is the point. MMA has only part from boxing. Defence is different. Body position is different. Footwork is different. If in MMA they would try to walk behind opponents front leg like basics in boxing, then it would be an easy target for single leg take down. If they would lean and clinch in MMA like in boxing, then it will be more easier to take opponent down. It is like checkers and chess. Same board but two completely different games. That is why it is strange that the guy who played “checkers” all the time, would beat the guy who is worlds champ in “chess”.

Good points, but in this analogy, Ngannou would be more of a chess player and Fury would be a checkers guy (as MMA has more elements than boxing).
And, all of a sudden, a chess master beating a checkers master doesn't sound so incredible.

In MMA it is necessary to train in various aspects of combat that are not necessary in boxing. Because of this, an MMA fighter will focus on a variety of skills but is not necessarily concerned with having the best boxing, or muay thai, or jiu jitsu skillset. Focusing exclusively on one would neglect your other skillsets. Fury and Joshua have only trained in boxing their entire lives so therefore their skills are more refined for this discipline compared to Ngannou.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 29, 2024, 11:21:08 AM

That is the point. MMA has only part from boxing. Defence is different. Body position is different. Footwork is different. If in MMA they would try to walk behind opponents front leg like basics in boxing, then it would be an easy target for single leg take down. If they would lean and clinch in MMA like in boxing, then it will be more easier to take opponent down. It is like checkers and chess. Same board but two completely different games. That is why it is strange that the guy who played “checkers” all the time, would beat the guy who is worlds champ in “chess”.

Good points, but in this analogy, Ngannou would be more of a chess player and Fury would be a checkers guy (as MMA has more elements than boxing).
And, all of a sudden, a chess master beating a checkers master doesn't sound so incredible.

In other news, the betting payout rates for Ngannou are dropping, meaning bookies start giving him more chances of winning, or this is just a result of too many people betting on Francis (kind of in line with the results of the poll in this topic).

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Quote from: electronicash on January 29, 2024, 11:01:01 AM

MMA has it all from boxing

That is the point. MMA has only part from boxing. Defence is different. Body position is different. Footwork is different. If in MMA they would try to walk behind opponents front leg like basics in boxing, then it would be an easy target for single leg take down. If they would lean and clinch in MMA like in boxing, then it will be more easier to take opponent down. It is like checkers and chess. Same board but two completely different games. That is why it is strange that the guy who played “checkers” all the time, would beat the guy who is worlds champ in “chess”.

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