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^^ I think you can expect that from Fury, I mean Ngannou give Fury one hell of a fight and others says that Francis did enough to win. And even in the press conference, Fury is there and trying to play mind games with Ngannou and I think we all heard what Francis said.

Yes, he can go back to PFL as this is what the contract is,

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Ngannou inked an unprecedented contract with PFL this past week after making history by departing the UFC as its reigning heavyweight champion. The disclosed terms of the deal include concessions that give Ngannou equity in the company plus a role on the PFL board of directors, make him the chairman of PFL’s expansion into Africa, give him the freedom to box and pursue his own sponsors, as well as a provide guaranteed $2 million purses for each of Ngannou’s PFL opponents. Ngannou is expected to make his promotional debut for PFL in 2024 after pursuing his pro boxing debut in the second half of 2023.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/5/21/23731580/dana-white-rips-into-francis-ngannou-pfl-over-historic-deal-it-makes-no-sense-to-me
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Never in a second thought Ngannou was going to be defeated in such a kindergarten manner by Anthony Joshua, even though i never really gave it to Joshua I had the conviction that peradventure he won he was going to feel it like he hit a rock for sure after the fight but the show was the opposite.

I had to repeated watch that Joshua's punch that knocked Ngannou off his feet as I was shock myself for someone that never expected things to go this way. I think Joshua seized the day and proved a better boxer dispelling all misgiving comparison  among fans. At least for now congrats champ...


Am not that surprised, because before the fight, I have already stated it here, that both fighters are from the same root, almost all the attributes of Ngannou, Anthony Joshua also possess it, so in as much as Ngannou have the power to give a knock out punch, Anthony Joshua also possess the power also.

Another thing about Ngannou is that the match against wilder, I just felt like he was underated, so wilder took him lightly compared to Anthony Joshua, so congratulations to Anthony Joshua for showing him that has a lot to learn.

Right from before this event I was thinking it would be a very tough fight for Joshua but after watching it my view changed, Anthony had power punched this milf with some hard-core knock down punches that he needed oxygen to survive.

Well I expected this from Joshua, it's not the first time he is showing this much strength and having a flawless win like this one.
That was a total humiliation on which even on that Round 1 knock out on which i do really have that kind of question in my mind on how the heck Ngannou wont be able to judge that one?
He had put up his guard up with both hands but that straight jab did really push through into his face and knock him out. You could really see the power is there on which that
was really that flawless from AJ. On the next one on which he had made out that dominating KO which Ngannou flips out.  Cheesy

This is some side comment from Fury.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZYJk05OtMg
'YOU GOT COCKY & GOT KNOCKED OUT' - TYSON FURY REACTS TO ANTHONY JOSHUA DESTROYING FRANCIS NGANNOU
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Never in a second thought Ngannou was going to be defeated in such a kindergarten manner by Anthony Joshua, even though i never really gave it to Joshua I had the conviction that peradventure he won he was going to feel it like he hit a rock for sure after the fight but the show was the opposite.

I had to repeated watch that Joshua's punch that knocked Ngannou off his feet as I was shock myself for someone that never expected things to go this way. I think Joshua seized the day and proved a better boxer dispelling all misgiving comparison  among fans. At least for now congrats champ...


Am not that surprised, because before the fight, I have already stated it here, that both fighters are from the same root, almost all the attributes of Ngannou, Anthony Joshua also possess it, so in as much as Ngannou have the power to give a knock out punch, Anthony Joshua also possess the power also.

Another thing about Ngannou is that the match against wilder, I just felt like he was underated, so wilder took him lightly compared to Anthony Joshua, so congratulations to Anthony Joshua for showing him that has a lot to learn.

Right from before this event I was thinking it would be a very tough fight for Joshua but after watching it my view changed, Anthony had power punched this milf with some hard-core knock down punches that he needed oxygen to survive.

Well I expected this from Joshua, it's not the first time he is showing this much strength and having a flawless win like this one.
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I do agree that Ngannou has been destroyed, but as per AJ advise he could continue to box. He can go back to PFL after this win and then chase who over is available for him. Would love to see him test Usyk or even Zhang or Parker.

I think Ngannou's boxing adventure is most likely over. there's no way he would get contracted to fight any top boxers, a rematch with Fury is off the table now that he lost to AJ. Fury initially expressed his interest in fighting Francis again, but now it would be a horrible choice, and we'll probably see Tyson fighting AJ instead.
I think Francis is already aware of that and that's why he has a PFL fight scheduled for later in the year. But if he was serious about staying in boxing, he would need to defeat some slightly lower ranked opponent before getting a chance to fight the top guys again.

I don’t see how he could go back to MMA after securing a $20,000,000 payday. I also don’t see how he could command that payday again after his last showing. The best thing for him to do is get some endorsements and live his life to the fullest without stepping foot back in a ring. I’m guessing he wants to keep fighting though.

He has to. He signed a deal with the PFL and also has equity in them so it's in his interests to promote them, but he's said his gameplan was always to do both. He might not have much motivation to fight in MMA given I believe his PFL guarantee is 2 million per fight, but I also think the price he commands will have fallen significantly after the bad AJ loss. Personally, I think his best option is to go blitz someone in the PFL and then fight another decent boxer, but maybe not one of the current top 5. I think a good boxing match for both parties would be Ngannou V Wilder. Wilder had a bad performance last against Jospeh Parker so will be wanting to get some of his mojo back and he's been pretty much cast-aside right now and doesn't really have anything to fight for so he might as well take the money whilst he can. I'd also like to see him rematch Fury but Fury will be tied up most of this year with the two Usyk fights and then I'm sure he will go for the AJ fight unless something stops that like AJ going for the third Usyk fight if Usyk still has the belts.
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I do agree that Ngannou has been destroyed, but as per AJ advise he could continue to box. He can go back to PFL after this win and then chase who over is available for him. Would love to see him test Usyk or even Zhang or Parker.

I think Ngannou's boxing adventure is most likely over. there's no way he would get contracted to fight any top boxers, a rematch with Fury is off the table now that he lost to AJ. Fury initially expressed his interest in fighting Francis again, but now it would be a horrible choice, and we'll probably see Tyson fighting AJ instead.
I think Francis is already aware of that and that's why he has a PFL fight scheduled for later in the year. But if he was serious about staying in boxing, he would need to defeat some slightly lower ranked opponent before getting a chance to fight the top guys again.

I don’t see how he could go back to MMA after securing a $20,000,000 payday. I also don’t see how he could command that payday again after his last showing. The best thing for him to do is get some endorsements and live his life to the fullest without stepping foot back in a ring. I’m guessing he wants to keep fighting though.
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I do agree that Ngannou has been destroyed, but as per AJ advise he could continue to box. He can go back to PFL after this win and then chase who over is available for him. Would love to see him test Usyk or even Zhang or Parker.

I think Ngannou's boxing adventure is most likely over. there's no way he would get contracted to fight any top boxers, a rematch with Fury is off the table now that he lost to AJ. Fury initially expressed his interest in fighting Francis again, but now it would be a horrible choice, and we'll probably see Tyson fighting AJ instead.
I think Francis is already aware of that and that's why he has a PFL fight scheduled for later in the year. But if he was serious about staying in boxing, he would need to defeat some slightly lower ranked opponent before getting a chance to fight the top guys again.
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After such a fight, AJ may not agree to a rematch, and probably no one sees the point in it now, not even Ngannou. Although it was initially a matter of money, and Ngannou would rather have tried to negotiate a rematch with Fury, he had more chances in that fight.


Well, if they still gonna give him another chance to fight Fury, then he is the lucky guy right now because it's another huge opportunity for him to earn big money and also he will have a chance to regain back his honor if ever he gives Fury the best beating of his life while at the same time winning that fight. But we all know, that seems impossible right now especially since he already exposed his weakness to the world and surely Fury will use it against him if ever they fight once again in the future.

Yeah, perhaps they will still milk Francis to the max here, in any case that Fury losses to Usyk, then maybe Ngannou vs Fury again, to make more money for both of this fighter. And as long as Francis is still well love by the boxing community, he can still look for another big paycheck here.

I do agree that Ngannou has been destroyed, but as per AJ advise he could continue to box. He can go back to PFL after this win and then chase who over is available for him. Would love to see him test Usyk or even Zhang or Parker.
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After such a fight, AJ may not agree to a rematch, and probably no one sees the point in it now, not even Ngannou. Although it was initially a matter of money, and Ngannou would rather have tried to negotiate a rematch with Fury, he had more chances in that fight.


Well, if they still gonna give him another chance to fight Fury, then he is the lucky guy right now because it's another huge opportunity for him to earn big money and also he will have a chance to regain back his honor if ever he gives Fury the best beating of his life while at the same time winning that fight. But we all know, that seems impossible right now especially since he already exposed his weakness to the world and surely Fury will use it against him if ever they fight once again in the future.

As long as both can make a decent money, they could agree for a rematch. Especially for AJ, this should not be a problem as he already beat Ngannou once, easily.... So it is now depending on the promoter if they are willing to risk promoting a rematch without an assurance that they could still get the support of the fans like on their first meeting.

If I were to evaluate, I don't find it necessary anymore as surely the fans will not watch this knowing Ngannou will still lose again in KO.

Maybe give Ngannou a fight first, wait if he wins, then they can create this rematch as the hype is alive again.
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After such a fight, AJ may not agree to a rematch, and probably no one sees the point in it now, not even Ngannou. Although it was initially a matter of money, and Ngannou would rather have tried to negotiate a rematch with Fury, he had more chances in that fight.


Well, if they still gonna give him another chance to fight Fury, then he is the lucky guy right now because it's another huge opportunity for him to earn big money and also he will have a chance to regain back his honor if ever he gives Fury the best beating of his life while at the same time winning that fight. But we all know, that seems impossible right now especially since he already exposed his weakness to the world and surely Fury will use it against him if ever they fight once again in the future.
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It won't stop this kind of fights though, know we have Tyson vs Jake Paul. And we have seen the Suga Sean O’Malley calling out Ryan Garcia. So there is this blue print for UFC fighters calling out professional boxers to make a lot of money, money that they can't earn under Dana White even if they are the best fighters in their organizations. Conor proved it already and now seems to be semi-retired because of the biggest paycheck he received from Floyd. Same with Francis, he can go back to PFL, but he might fight another HW for this retirement, could be rematch with anyone of the HW as I think Francis could still have some hype even if he loses to AJ this way.
After such a fight, AJ may not agree to a rematch, and probably no one sees the point in it now, not even Ngannou. Although it was initially a matter of money, and Ngannou would rather have tried to negotiate a rematch with Fury, he had more chances in that fight.

Ngannou needs a little time to recover from such a defeat, and then I have no doubt that he will look for a fight for big money, although if you look at his fees for the last fight, Ngannou received $20 million. I think this fee alone is enough to stop thinking about rematches. Of course, no one wants to end their career with such a fight.
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Joshua vs Fury has never happened yet, if Fury lost to Usyk, it's reasonable to see Joshua and Fury fight.
I have the feeling Fury will lose against Usyk by KO. It will be sad for Fury fans to see his record have 1 loss and perhaps 2 if he fights AJ too.
You have your own opinion on that but I don't actually see it's gonna happen. Fury is good in making adjustment and he will not allow to lose by KO. He might not be a KO artist like AJ and Wilder, at least on their level but we saw how smart he is on his championship fights. I can't blame people not trusting him because of his physical appearance, I mean he doesn' have much muscles but this guy has a solid chin and has a power to KO his opponent.

There's truth to what they say that it's the punch you don't see coming that knocks you out. Francis didn't see the fist coming. The poll result is Francis Ngannou by KO, so many users must have bet for Francis to win.


I hope they're able to accept the defeat, LOL.. they ride the hype, can't blame them.
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I doubt that he underestimated Anthony Joshua. I believe what really happen is we overestimated him thinking he has a shot on beating a real pro boxer AJ. He was there because of the hype, we bought it and we believe he can win, when actually he is not a championship caliber fighter, he is just a newbie in boxing. I know he is good back in UFC, but that does not automatically make him great in boxing as well.
  People thought Francis will be able to hold off Aj, same way he did Fury. Boxing can be an  unpredictable game, a game where title holders can lose to the underdogs in the case of Anthony Joshua and Francis, I feel like Aj was underestimated in the fight, they didn’t expect the match to take that quick turn of Aj winning by knockout. Now people will know that the UFC is way different from Boxing. Its training is more intensive compared to UFC game. Francis Ngannou  need to consider switching Into boxing. Aj even encouraged he doesn’t give up on his boxing aspiration.  Despite his lost he still  cashout in his ends.
   Personally I think Francis will excel in boxing if he focus on the game, he has the physique  and of course the strength, at least we can’t deny that he has those qualities, he his an amazing athlete and if he keep his mind right and ready he can face any opponent thrown at him.

AJ was underestimated? Only a casual fan in the sport with zero to little knowledge will underestimate AJ's chances against Ngannou. I want Ngannou to win against AJ but I did not bet. For the knowledgeable fans, it is very hard to imagine a well-trained high ranked losing to Ngannou. These pros spent years since they were kids enhancing their skills and gaining experience.

But in the first place, Francis is just into boxing to cash out that can set his financial freedom. Surviving, scoring a knock down and losing close to Fury was a bonus. I am glad Ngannou earned around $30 million in just 2 fights. He deserved it. He can retire for good and help grow PFL.

It won't stop this kind of fights though, know we have Tyson vs Jake Paul. And we have seen the Suga Sean O’Malley calling out Ryan Garcia. So there is this blue print for UFC fighters calling out professional boxers to make a lot of money, money that they can't earn under Dana White even if they are the best fighters in their organizations. Conor proved it already and now seems to be semi-retired because of the biggest paycheck he received from Floyd. Same with Francis, he can go back to PFL, but he might fight another HW for this retirement, could be rematch with anyone of the HW as I think Francis could still have some hype even if he loses to AJ this way.
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“You know how I feel about crossovers into boxing,” White told reporters following UFC 299 in Miami. “That’s how they end. Just like that.”

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@inthelongrun - I do agree, I think if you are really a boxing fan, we all know that at some point, the skills of AJ as boxer will take over.

However, I don't think that this will stop though, those MMA fighters crossing over and making a ton of money like what Francis got in only 2 fights as a pro boxer. And we have the classic example of Floyd vs Conor as the first cross over fights that generated tons of money to a MMA fighter.
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AJ was underestimated? Only a casual fan in the sport with zero to little knowledge will underestimate AJ's chances against Ngannou. I want Ngannou to win against AJ but I did not bet. For the knowledgeable fans, it is very hard to imagine a well-trained high ranked losing to Ngannou. These pros spent years since they were kids enhancing their skills and gaining experience.

But in the first place, Francis is just into boxing to cash out that can set his financial freedom. Surviving, scoring a knock down and losing close to Fury was a bonus. I am glad Ngannou earned around $30 million in just 2 fights. He deserved it. He can retire for good and help grow PFL.

Yes, AJ was underestimated. Look at vote results. 18 out of 29 were in Ngannou favor. People have voted not based with their record, but by eyes (Ngannou highlights on youtube are much better than AJs Cheesy). In addition previous unimpressive performances by AJ confused many. I was the one who did not believe that AJ will be exactly the one who would put a solid dot on Ngannou boxing skill/career. Actually Fury must have done it Cheesy I like one comment from youtube "AJ has cleaned the mess Fury created" Cheesy
It's more of the feeling that boxing fans here thought that Francis has enough skills to bet a professional boxer (as Francis background is MMA). But it's not going to happen though, at least AJ proved everyone wrong again that Ngannou because of his power is enough to beat him. And we see the skill difference, AJ shows that technique is better that raw power. Did not give Ngannou any chance to settle with him, but instead AJ took it easy and uses his strategy and what they have plan with his trainer. It's simply actually, he attack the body early and Francis fall for it. He tried to block it and then AJ goes to the head when Francis read that AJ will go to the body again. So it's a misdirection and boxer knows for that kind of simply but effective technique.
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AJ was underestimated? Only a casual fan in the sport with zero to little knowledge will underestimate AJ's chances against Ngannou. I want Ngannou to win against AJ but I did not bet. For the knowledgeable fans, it is very hard to imagine a well-trained high ranked losing to Ngannou. These pros spent years since they were kids enhancing their skills and gaining experience.

But in the first place, Francis is just into boxing to cash out that can set his financial freedom. Surviving, scoring a knock down and losing close to Fury was a bonus. I am glad Ngannou earned around $30 million in just 2 fights. He deserved it. He can retire for good and help grow PFL.

Yes, AJ was underestimated. Look at vote results. 18 out of 29 were in Ngannou favor. People have voted not based with their record, but by eyes (Ngannou highlights on youtube are much better than AJs Cheesy). In addition previous unimpressive performances by AJ confused many. I was the one who did not believe that AJ will be exactly the one who would put a solid dot on Ngannou boxing skill/career. Actually Fury must have done it Cheesy I like one comment from youtube "AJ has cleaned the mess Fury created" Cheesy
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I doubt that he underestimated Anthony Joshua. I believe what really happen is we overestimated him thinking he has a shot on beating a real pro boxer AJ. He was there because of the hype, we bought it and we believe he can win, when actually he is not a championship caliber fighter, he is just a newbie in boxing. I know he is good back in UFC, but that does not automatically make him great in boxing as well.
  People thought Francis will be able to hold off Aj, same way he did Fury. Boxing can be an  unpredictable game, a game where title holders can lose to the underdogs in the case of Anthony Joshua and Francis, I feel like Aj was underestimated in the fight, they didn’t expect the match to take that quick turn of Aj winning by knockout. Now people will know that the UFC is way different from Boxing. Its training is more intensive compared to UFC game. Francis Ngannou  need to consider switching Into boxing. Aj even encouraged he doesn’t give up on his boxing aspiration.  Despite his lost he still  cashout in his ends.
   Personally I think Francis will excel in boxing if he focus on the game, he has the physique  and of course the strength, at least we can’t deny that he has those qualities, he his an amazing athlete and if he keep his mind right and ready he can face any opponent thrown at him.

AJ was underestimated? Only a casual fan in the sport with zero to little knowledge will underestimate AJ's chances against Ngannou. I want Ngannou to win against AJ but I did not bet. For the knowledgeable fans, it is very hard to imagine a well-trained high ranked losing to Ngannou. These pros spent years since they were kids enhancing their skills and gaining experience.

But in the first place, Francis is just into boxing to cash out that can set his financial freedom. Surviving, scoring a knock down and losing close to Fury was a bonus. I am glad Ngannou earned around $30 million in just 2 fights. He deserved it. He can retire for good and help grow PFL.
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Joshua vs Fury has never happened yet, if Fury lost to Usyk, it's reasonable to see Joshua and Fury fight.
I have the feeling Fury will lose against Usyk by KO. It will be sad for Fury fans to see his record have 1 loss and perhaps 2 if he fights AJ too.

There's truth to what they say that it's the punch you don't see coming that knocks you out. Francis didn't see the fist coming. The poll result is Francis Ngannou by KO, so many users must have bet for Francis to win.
Tyson Fury recorded a video where he stated that he will surely fight both of them with rematches if they want (and also stating that he will accept it after he batters them). After he beats Usyk and Joshua for two times, then he will fight and beat Ngannou again (as he stated in the video).

Anthony Joshua had the most to lose between him and Ngannou. The knockout punch was a terrible one, I hope Francis Ngannou is okay. Francis Ngannou may have lost the fight but financially I think he did okay. He has made more money in his two boxing matches than he’s made throughout his MMA career. I hope he doesn’t close the door to boxing. There is a lesson to learn from every loss. I bet the next person Francis Ngannou faces in a boxing ring will meet a savage beast.
I think, he became too confident after beating (I would call it beating) Tyson Fury and anticipated Antony Joshua, he made a huge mistake and got knocked out for that. I think he isn't going to close door to boxing, instead, he has now to prove again that that was just a bad day in the office and that's all. We will definitely see him in boxing again. I would say, it's guaranteed to see Tyson Fury VS Ngannou 2.
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  People thought Francis will be able to hold off Aj, same way he did Fury. Boxing can be an  unpredictable game, a game where title holders can lose to the underdogs in the case of Anthony Joshua and Francis, I feel like Aj was underestimated in the fight, they didn’t expect the match to take that quick turn of Aj winning by knockout. Now people will know that the UFC is way different from Boxing. Its training is more intensive compared to UFC game. Francis Ngannou  need to consider switching Into boxing. Aj even encouraged he doesn’t give up on his boxing aspiration.  Despite his lost he still  cashout in his ends.
   Personally I think Francis will excel in boxing if he focus on the game, he has the physique  and of course the strength, at least we can’t deny that he has those qualities, he his an amazing athlete and if he keep his mind right and ready he can face any opponent thrown at him.
Anthony Joshua had the most to lose between him and Ngannou. The knockout punch was a terrible one, I hope Francis Ngannou is okay. Francis Ngannou may have lost the fight but financially I think he did okay. He has made more money in his two boxing matches than he’s made throughout his MMA career. I hope he doesn’t close the door to boxing. There is a lesson to learn from every loss. I bet the next person Francis Ngannou faces in a boxing ring will meet a savage beast.
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Today I was watching some tiktok videos and one video showed up and I think everyone has to watch this video: www.tiktok.com/@fightmma.hype/video/7344412706214038816
To spoil you, this video shows how Tyson Fury was struggling against Ngannou and then comes the video of how Joshua was playing with Ngannou like the cat plays with a mouse. I still can't believe what I watched. At first I watched the fight where Ngannou won against Tyson Fury and then, months later, I watch a fight where Joshua simply destroys Ngannou.
Now Tyson Fury is making excuses and says that he was shit when he was fighting Ngannou and if he and Jushua fights, Joshue will face absolutely different Fury.
Lots of money will be made if they fight and it will be a hella interesting.

In boxing they always say that styles make fights. Fury doesn’t have the power that Joshua has and Joshua doesn’t have the chin or stamina that Fury has. They are drastically different fighters and that’s why we saw drastically different outcomes. It doesn’t necessarily tell us who would win in a fight between them because the circumstances are entirely different. Joshua is used to overwhelming his opponents early on but when they are able to withstand his power is when he gets in trouble.

Because Fury is a smart boxer, he doesn't go toe to toe against a known KO artist, he will slowly destroy it with his good head movements and jabs. But if you look at his previous fights, you can say that he really has the power because the last 4 fights before Ngannou, it was all won via KO/TKO.

So if Fury will face AJ, I doubt AJ will win as Fury is hard to beat, he will not allow himself to be careless and try to go for a KO, AJ would love to go for a KO, so probably AJ will catch a powerful counter from Fury, I might be wrong but right now this is my take if they'll ever face.

Now that the hype is on AJ, it would be a great championship fight between the two. However, Fury is into a big fight against Usyk if he loss that would make Usyk to be the best in the heavyweight division since he already beat AJ twice, Wilder is off, and he beat Fury.

Maybe what's intesting after the Fury vs Usyk fight if Fury loss is that they will fight again in a rematch. Maybe a trilogy if Fury wins the 2nd.

Joshua vs Fury has never happened yet, if Fury lost to Usyk, it's reasonable to see Joshua and Fury fight.
I have the feeling Fury will lose against Usyk by KO. It will be sad for Fury fans to see his record have 1 loss and perhaps 2 if he fights AJ too.

There's truth to what they say that it's the punch you don't see coming that knocks you out. Francis didn't see the fist coming. The poll result is Francis Ngannou by KO, so many users must have bet for Francis to win.
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In boxing they always say that styles make fights. Fury doesn’t have the power that Joshua has and Joshua doesn’t have the chin or stamina that Fury has. They are drastically different fighters and that’s why we saw drastically different outcomes. It doesn’t necessarily tell us who would win in a fight between them because the circumstances are entirely different. Joshua is used to overwhelming his opponents early on but when they are able to withstand his power is when he gets in trouble.
ThIs is the exact fact about Joshua, a fighter going against Joshua should make sure he's got the stamina and he can be sure to at some point be able to get an advantage with which he could use against Joshua and that will be exactly after his exhaustion which will come after a long period of fight and that ha been the tactics fury has employed in most of their games which has made it slightly difficult for Joshua most of the times to be able to get a very good tackle against Joshua and that's been the fury advantage over Joshua.

If you are not fit enough to keep up with such stamina it's then seen like you will not find possible victory around Joshua but may only literally struggle around him because he will rush you from the beginning into exhaustion and take advantage of it from there exact what he did to ngannou
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