[Boxing]: Bivol vs Beterbiev rematch Feb 22 - page 2.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 12, 2024, 04:17:58 AM

^^ Lol, but we can't compare Rocky from real life boxing,

. I think Bivol trainer though did really a good job on him in this fight, it's that Bivol effort is not enough to the judges scorecard. And this are Russians, so they are loyal to their trainers which might have guided them when they are still starting or even in amateur days.

I think Bivol is not hurt by the power of Beterbiev as they could have trained or have sparring partners that are really heavy punchers. So there are a lot of variables that might be in the rematch and as majority says, it could be another close fight and the judges will have to score. One thing though with Beterbiev is that he is patience enough in this fight. Another adjustment and this is just my personal opinion, Bivol should trade more in the rematch so put a good impression on the judge.

However, we can compare. But not 100% similar to real life boxing. The argument is for Bivol to create an adjustment in his tactics and in his training. Is this not considered a good strategy if a boxer has lost against the same opponent? I very much will reply yes for this question.

If there will be no adjustment from Bivol, we can be quite certain that this will be a similar fight with a victory that might be again given to Beterbiev.

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Both boxers are flexible and thinking fighters. I'm sure they will study what went wrong and what went right in the fight. Since the fight is controversial and very close, its a new ballgame for both fighters. The fight could go either way in their first fight and that's what I look at in the second fight; this is one of the rare times that I did not favor the winner of the first fight because the fight is very close upon doing replays of the fight, but if Beterbiev finally shows up in this fight, then he is in big trouble.

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^^ Lol, but we can't compare Rocky from real life boxing,

. I think Bivol trainer though did really a good job on him in this fight, it's that Bivol effort is not enough to the judges scorecard. And this are Russians, so they are loyal to their trainers which might have guided them when they are still starting or even in amateur days.

I think Bivol is not hurt by the power of Beterbiev as they could have trained or have sparring partners that are really heavy punchers. So there are a lot of variables that might be in the rematch and as majority says, it could be another close fight and the judges will have to score. One thing though with Beterbiev is that he is patience enough in this fight. Another adjustment and this is just my personal opinion, Bivol should trade more in the rematch so put a good impression on the judge.

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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

Both will adjust obvious, but I do not think that there will be major adjustment, I mean you can't think old dogs new trick. Maybe Bivol will work more on the angles or the distance. Or maybe to increase his gas tank so that the judges will not see him as fading in the championship rounds.

And with that, Beterbiev will have to start early as well and not let Bivol take it over with his volume punching early. So still going to be very hard to predict although others might favor Bivol in the rematch because he could be more motivated to avenge his very close lost in the first fight.

If there will not be a major adjustment from the team of Bivol and their boxer's tactics, we can be quite certain that this fight might create another decision making where the judges might consider Beterbiev's punches to be more of these that are giving more impact similar to their fight before.

I will say again that Bivol should watch Rocky 3 where he has changed his trainer from Mikey to Apollo and his tactics from Marciano to Ali hehehehe. This will be very much inspiring for him.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 10, 2024, 11:35:27 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 10, 2024, 05:29:17 PM

Quote from: robelneo on December 10, 2024, 05:14:29 AM

After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

I think the winner is the one who will make the best adjustment during the fight itself. And we have seen in the first fight that it was Beterbiev. It could be that his corner says that he is behind and so he needs to do something.

While Bivol wasn't able to keep his volume punching and let Beterbiev takes over. So for boxing IQ, it will be Beterbiev and his body even at age 40 will have the same performance, I think he will still win in the rematch.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 10, 2024, 11:35:27 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 10, 2024, 05:29:17 PM

Quote from: robelneo on December 10, 2024, 05:14:29 AM

After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

Both will adjust obvious, but I do not think that there will be major adjustment, I mean you can't think old dogs new trick. Maybe Bivol will work more on the angles or the distance. Or maybe to increase his gas tank so that the judges will not see him as fading in the championship rounds.

And with that, Beterbiev will have to start early as well and not let Bivol take it over with his volume punching early. So still going to be very hard to predict although others might favor Bivol in the rematch because he could be more motivated to avenge his very close lost in the first fight.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 10, 2024, 05:29:17 PM

Quote from: robelneo on December 10, 2024, 05:14:29 AM

After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

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Quote from: robelneo on December 10, 2024, 05:14:29 AM

After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

On this fight, it seems that Bivol is being the favourite to win on this match. One factor maybe is the age, 33 vs 39. Younger blood can indeed have a factor if they will use the stamina accordingly. However, it is the preparation that can differentiate them once inside the ring. Experience is also one factor. So both boxers have their own advantages and they need to use it once they get inside.

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Quote from: robelneo on December 10, 2024, 05:14:29 AM

After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

And talking about that distractions, the wife of Bivol went to social media as she is watching the fight live and when she see Bivol losing, she said that it was karma. I never thought that Bivol is affected though, it was really a 50/50 fight and everything was in the judges hand and unfortunately, they think that Beterbiev did it but one can argue that the numbers compu data says that Bivol might have done enough to win.

So the pressure on Bivol's shoulder to make that necessary adjustment to win the fight in their rematch. Maybe not allow him to be in to pocket or just fight in the center of the ring just like when he defeated Canelo.

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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it will happen right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy. This time I favor Bivol to win the fight. There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight. I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs; I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly in this fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on December 10, 2024, 01:03:14 AM

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For those who want to see the numbers in the first fight and how close it is,

https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol--186425

So in the first six rounds, Bivol numbers is very high and as expected, he is more of the volume puncher.

But in the second half, Beterbiev switch to beast mode and so he increased his attack and power punches to hurt Bivol and that might be enough for the judges to score the fight for him.

Still very close though, that's why a rematch is needed in February 22.

There is not much to separate them. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counter each other perfectly. Beterbiev has the power advantage but Bivol makes up for it with volume and landing cleaner punches. If they go the distance, the decision will once again be very debatable, but it cannot be considered a robbery when the final stats are so close.

And it's hard to interpret the numbers, although it might not lie, but I have read the it might not be as accurate as it sounds. And I thought that Beterbiev really did good in the championship rounds but base on the numbers still very close to me.

For sure, I will tend to believed that this fight is going to distance again. Bivol hasn't been knockout before and it shows in the last fight although he lost and admit to it post fight interview. But on the other hand, Beterbiev also admitted that he is not satisfied with this win.

But if we want to see a clear winning, it's either Beterbiev by KO, and Bivol having the performance that he displayed against Canelo Alvarez.

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If anyone is going to defeat Artur Beterbiev, it has to be Dmitry Bivol. At the age of 40, Beterbiev has scored 20 knockouts from 21 fights so far. The only time he didn't got the KO, Bivol was at he other end. That said, the loss to Beterbiev should be disappointing for Bivol. It was his first defeat in 24 matches. Anyway the good thing for Bivol is that the fight is happening in Saudi Arabia. After he defeated Canelo Álvarez in 2022, Bivol didn't received any money, as he is a Russian citizen and the American authorities blocked the money transfer. In Saudi, I don't think that he will face any similar issues.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 09, 2024, 08:38:19 PM

For those who want to see the numbers in the first fight and how close it is,

https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol--186425

So in the first six rounds, Bivol numbers is very high and as expected, he is more of the volume puncher.

But in the second half, Beterbiev switch to beast mode and so he increased his attack and power punches to hurt Bivol and that might be enough for the judges to score the fight for him.

Still very close though, that's why a rematch is needed in February 22.

There is not much to separate them. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counter each other perfectly. Beterbiev has the power advantage but Bivol makes up for it with volume and landing cleaner punches. If they go the distance, the decision will once again be very debatable, but it cannot be considered a robbery when the final stats are so close.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 09, 2024, 05:33:54 AM

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This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.

AFAIK, the first fight was very close. so if Beterbiev had discovered Bivol’s weakness, he could have knocked him out, but that didn’t happen. On the other hand, we can also say that Bivol might have discovered Beterbiev’s weakness, which could give him a chance to win this time.

Judging by the first fight, I still believe this will be another close contest if it goes to the judges’ scorecards again. At this point, if we’re betting, it’s best to go with who we think has the edge. Besides, the odds for both fighters are quite attractive.

Is that your argument? If Beterbiev did not discover Bivol's weakness on being pressured if Beterbiev did not knockout the head of Bivol? This is very headshaking.

Bivol is very much weak when his opponent can keep the very close distance and pressuring him to move backward. This was something similar to Canelo's tactics, however, Bivol was very much strong for Canelo. He is not strong against Beterbiev.

This has been my argument for this rematch. If Bivol cannot float like butterfly and fly from Beterbiev, he will be in panic on the rope and his jaw might be exposed if he will fight Beterbiev in the pocket.

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For those who want to see the numbers in the first fight and how close it is,

https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol--186425

So in the first six rounds, Bivol numbers is very high and as expected, he is more of the volume puncher.

But in the second half, Beterbiev switch to beast mode and so he increased his attack and power punches to hurt Bivol and that might be enough for the judges to score the fight for him.

Still very close though, that's why a rematch is needed in February 22.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 09, 2024, 05:33:54 AM

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This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.

AFAIK, the first fight was very close. so if Beterbiev had discovered Bivol’s weakness, he could have knocked him out, but that didn’t happen. On the other hand, we can also say that Bivol might have discovered Beterbiev’s weakness, which could give him a chance to win this time.

Yes, it will be interesting as to what weaknesses Beterbiev have discovered? Bivol was dominating him in the first couple of rounds. So again, did he see that Bivol doesn't have a good defense, or simply that he see Bivol getting tired late?

Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 09, 2024, 05:33:54 AM

Judging by the first fight, I still believe this will be another close contest if it goes to the judges’ scorecards again. At this point, if we’re betting, it’s best to go with who we think has the edge. Besides, the odds for both fighters are quite attractive.

Right, the odds says it all, although this time is is Beterbiev that is the slight favorite. But still this rematch could be very close just like the last one and it's going to be very hard to judge again as the pattern might be same, Bivol started early and then Beterbiev catching in the last couple of rounds.

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Quote from: Darker45 on December 08, 2024, 06:42:05 AM

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The rematch would be in favor of Bivol somehow. Beterbiev would be 40 by then. Just like in their first match, many would say age is a huge factor. Beterbiev might prove them wrong once more. This man is terrific. He looks sturdy and solid despite the age.

Odds now favor Beterbiev. But let's see how Bivol will do in the rematch, again his volume in the first 6 rounds as outstanding. Maybe he will just have to sustained it throughout so that he can outscored Beterbiev this time.

Odds in this rematch favor Beterbiev only because of the result of their first fight. It was the other way around in their first match. The stats somehow favored Bivol and so he turned out the favorite. Things have changed now. It was clear Beterbiev could actually fight toe to toe against Bivol. It was clear the much older man can actually compete with the younger opponent. Bivol had a smaller gas tank compared to his 39-year old opponent.

But, yeah, if Bivol sustained his performance in the opening rounds, that fight was his.

That bolded statement, if Bivol could have sustained his numbers in the first 6 rounds, Beterbiev might not steal this one for him. The problem is that after the 6 rounds, his performance or at least his volume punching goes down and then Beterbiev asserting himself and that what could be judge seeing.

We all know that he has a tremendous stamina, but we don't know what happened to him, specially in the championship rounds that his punches started to decline and the Beterbiev doubling his power punching output.

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