[Boxing]: Bivol vs Beterbiev rematch Feb 22 - page 2.

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Quote from: crwth on December 28, 2024, 02:33:46 AM

This will be a good rematch, and it is understandable that many people expect it to be a good match. I know that Bivol mentioned that he would be more aggressive now, knowing that he has been able to be in a match with him. Maybe it could be true, and this would be a continuous saga between the two. If Bivol has momentum, he can capitalize on the early advantage, but Beterbiev is resilient. I do think that Bivol can come out on top this time.

FR. This is the most exciting match since both of them is completely on same level. Their match result is more entertaining and suspenseful to watch compared to the hype match of Crawford vs Spence and Usyk vs Fury.

I wonder if Bivol can finally break Beterbiev resiliency. I’m expecting more blow by blow match on this rematch but I’m still considering Beterbiev winning since he might prove that the first match is not wrong decision win for him.

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Are the fans of Bivol using this wifey news as the reason on why Bivol has lost? This is headshaking because they will only cause themselves more forceful pressure if Bivol does not adjust similar to Rocky Balboa and float like a butterfly similar to Rocky's trainer Apollo Creed.

Those are just excuses from the losers, acting like Bivol was the heavy favorite in that fight. It was close, but the judges clearly saw Beterbiev as the better fighter. In this rematch, I hope they'll not use the same excuses about his wife or other distractions pop up again if he loses.

Honestly, I’m not expecting a 2-0, since the first fight was so tight. I’d actually like to see it go 1-1 so we can get a trilogy.
That would be something exciting to look forward to!

I have similar expectations, however, this expectation is because I speculate that being Russian, Bivol might not make the changes and adjustments that are needed to get the victory against Bivol. This is also similar to the movie Rocky 4 where the big Russian steroids user Ivan Drago can only fight in 1 style. I reckon if had a rematch against Rocky, he will certainly not make any changes and he will continue to fight using his old style.

In any case, I wish this will be 1-1 after rematch and the fans will be given another very good trilogy between very good champions!

Right, adjustments should be in Bivol's corner, Beterbiev strategy is very effective in wearing Bivol and his power was the main reason why Bivol slow down in the last couple of rounds. It's just a question on what Bivol need to change, and as you have said it could be his foot work so that he can avoid the power punches of Beterbiev.

Or look for angles and not so overly aggressive and think that he can just walk down a superior boxer. Not sure how strong Beterbiev's body, as Bivol can target it as well to take the air out of Beterbiev and so his punches might not be as powerful as he is feeling the effect on the body shots.

Yes, there is still a good chance for Bivol to win and make it 1-1 and then we wait for a trilogy.

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This will be a good rematch, and it is understandable that many people expect it to be a good match. I know that Bivol mentioned that he would be more aggressive now, knowing that he has been able to be in a match with him. Maybe it could be true, and this would be a continuous saga between the two. If Bivol has momentum, he can capitalize on the early advantage, but Beterbiev is resilient. I do think that Bivol can come out on top this time.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 27, 2024, 11:53:45 PM

I have similar expectations, however, this expectation is because I speculate that being Russian, Bivol might not make the changes and adjustments that are needed to get the victory against Bivol. This is also similar to the movie Rocky 4 where the big Russian steroids user Ivan Drago can only fight in 1 style. I reckon if had a rematch against Rocky, he will certainly not make any changes and he will continue to fight using his old style.

In any case, I wish this will be 1-1 after rematch and the fans will be given another very good trilogy between very good champions!

Since Beterbiev won the last fight with the majority decision and their fight statistic on the last fight is not far. There might be a chance that this will end to different result and turn to 1:1.
However, predicting the outcome remains difficult because Beterbiev is older than Bivol and is known for his power, whereas Bivol is known for his technical skills.
So, in my opinion, it will not end 1-1. Beterbiev will win again against Bivol, but overall, this is a 50/50 fight that no one can predict who will win.

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Quote from: Natalim on December 27, 2024, 01:34:53 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 27, 2024, 01:07:35 AM

Are the fans of Bivol using this wifey news as the reason on why Bivol has lost? This is headshaking because they will only cause themselves more forceful pressure if Bivol does not adjust similar to Rocky Balboa and float like a butterfly similar to Rocky's trainer Apollo Creed.

Those are just excuses from the losers, acting like Bivol was the heavy favorite in that fight. It was close, but the judges clearly saw Beterbiev as the better fighter. In this rematch, I hope they'll not use the same excuses about his wife or other distractions pop up again if he loses.

Honestly, I’m not expecting a 2-0, since the first fight was so tight. I’d actually like to see it go 1-1 so we can get a trilogy.
That would be something exciting to look forward to!

I have similar expectations, however, this expectation is because I speculate that being Russian, Bivol might not make the changes and adjustments that are needed to get the victory against Bivol. This is also similar to the movie Rocky 4 where the big Russian steroids user Ivan Drago can only fight in 1 style. I reckon if had a rematch against Rocky, he will certainly not make any changes and he will continue to fight using his old style.

In any case, I wish this will be 1-1 after rematch and the fans will be given another very good trilogy between very good champions!

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Quote from: Natalim on December 27, 2024, 01:34:53 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 27, 2024, 01:07:35 AM

Are the fans of Bivol using this wifey news as the reason on why Bivol has lost? This is headshaking because they will only cause themselves more forceful pressure if Bivol does not adjust similar to Rocky Balboa and float like a butterfly similar to Rocky's trainer Apollo Creed.

Those are just excuses from the losers, acting like Bivol was the heavy favorite in that fight. It was close, but the judges clearly saw Beterbiev as the better fighter. In this rematch, I hope they'll not use the same excuses about his wife or other distractions pop up again if he loses.

It was actually Beterbiev as the favorite in the beginning, but when the fight was cancelled because of Beterbiev's injury, the odds shift to Bivol because odd makers think that it might affect Beterbiev's performance.

But in the end, Beterbiev proved that he had recovered from that injury and there are no signs that it made his slow down in this fight. On the other hand, Bivol was not able to sustain, while the power of Beterbiev might have caught up with him and wear him down.

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Quote from: Natalim on December 27, 2024, 01:34:53 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 27, 2024, 01:07:35 AM

Are the fans of Bivol using this wifey news as the reason on why Bivol has lost? This is headshaking because they will only cause themselves more forceful pressure if Bivol does not adjust similar to Rocky Balboa and float like a butterfly similar to Rocky's trainer Apollo Creed.

Those are just excuses from the losers, acting like Bivol was the heavy favorite in that fight. It was close, but the judges clearly saw Beterbiev as the better fighter. In this rematch, I hope they'll not use the same excuses about his wife or other distractions pop up again if he loses.

Honestly, I’m not expecting a 2-0, since the first fight was so tight. I’d actually like to see it go 1-1 so we can get a trilogy.
That would be something exciting to look forward to!

I think Bivol didn't mentioned any of that, no excuses for him as he says that Beterbiev could be the better fighter. But yeah, maybe it has some mental effect on him, but nevertheless, we've seen that he did try to win the fight, unfortunately, Beterbiev has the finishing touches.

Of course, this two headed Russians are good for the boxing so we want 1-1 and wanted a trilogy. And they did have a big support from Saudi and so with that, hopefully Bivol can make it even in this fight but it's going to be very hard as Beterbiev does want to cement his legacy in this division, although his is getting older.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 27, 2024, 01:07:35 AM

Are the fans of Bivol using this wifey news as the reason on why Bivol has lost? This is headshaking because they will only cause themselves more forceful pressure if Bivol does not adjust similar to Rocky Balboa and float like a butterfly similar to Rocky's trainer Apollo Creed.

Those are just excuses from the losers, acting like Bivol was the heavy favorite in that fight. It was close, but the judges clearly saw Beterbiev as the better fighter. In this rematch, I hope they'll not use the same excuses about his wife or other distractions pop up again if he loses.

Honestly, I’m not expecting a 2-0, since the first fight was so tight. I’d actually like to see it go 1-1 so we can get a trilogy.
That would be something exciting to look forward to!

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So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

Agreed! This would also be very much the most interesting if the fight will be very competitive similar to their fight before, however, the judges will declare Bivol the winner with a split decision. Similar to my argument from the beginning there is only 1 tactic for this to occur, I reckon. This is if Bivol will improve footwork and use a tactic similar to Muhammad Ali. If he cannot be this boxer who can create these big adjustments similar to Rocky Balboa, I am quite certain we will witness something similar to Beterbiev vs. Bivol 1.

Yes, I wanted Bivol to win the rematch and make it 1-1 hopefully there will be no distractions this time so that he can fully focus 100% on the fight. I don't want to believed that the divorced might have something to do with Bivol performance.

But strangely, it could have been a effect on him while preparing for this fight as his wife is going to social media and like trying to destroy his image. And now that it looks like everything has been settled down and divorce finalized, Bivol can now trained without any noises in the background.

I have also speculated this before, however, the fight that we have witnessed did not give this type of reaction for me where I say that Bivol was weakened by his wife's negative declarations against him in social media.

Are the fans of Bivol using this wifey news as the reason on why Bivol has lost? This is headshaking because they will only cause themselves more forceful pressure if Bivol does not adjust similar to Rocky Balboa and float like a butterfly similar to Rocky's trainer Apollo Creed.

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So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

Agreed! This would also be very much the most interesting if the fight will be very competitive similar to their fight before, however, the judges will declare Bivol the winner with a split decision. Similar to my argument from the beginning there is only 1 tactic for this to occur, I reckon. This is if Bivol will improve footwork and use a tactic similar to Muhammad Ali. If he cannot be this boxer who can create these big adjustments similar to Rocky Balboa, I am quite certain we will witness something similar to Beterbiev vs. Bivol 1.

Yes, I wanted Bivol to win the rematch and make it 1-1 hopefully there will be no distractions this time so that he can fully focus 100% on the fight. I don't want to believed that the divorced might have something to do with Bivol performance.

But strangely, it could have been a effect on him while preparing for this fight as his wife is going to social media and like trying to destroy his image. And now that it looks like everything has been settled down and divorce finalized, Bivol can now trained without any noises in the background.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 18, 2024, 06:10:04 PM

So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

Agreed! This would also be very much the most interesting if the fight will be very competitive similar to their fight before, however, the judges will declare Bivol the winner with a split decision. Similar to my argument from the beginning there is only 1 tactic for this to occur, I reckon. This is if Bivol will improve footwork and use a tactic similar to Muhammad Ali. If he cannot be this boxer who can create these big adjustments similar to Rocky Balboa, I am quite certain we will witness something similar to Beterbiev vs. Bivol 1.

I like the improvement of footwork for Bivol if he wants to win. He doesn't need to be almost square on Beterbiev and get's hit and damage. At least use angle and lots of feints to go Beterbiev off balance and guessing on what he will do.

He is capable of that movement, whether his head or his feet as he has good stamina as well, although it seems that he faded in the championship round. But it could be that he took a lot of hurt and damage. So still on the shoulder of Bivol if he can make the right adjustments and strategies in the rematch.

Yes, I was waiting for a reply from the boxing experts in this forum like you and bisdak because I am very much aware that only you bisdak and a few others might understand the problem that it is not if Beterbiev's punches are really hurtful for Bivol. The problem is what will the judges see on ringside and what might appears to be the more hurtful punches that might appear cause more damage. These are the punches of Beterbiev in their fight before. The very simple adjustment is improve footwork and the stamina to maintain footwork after round 6.

Everyone might be speculating that I am only joking because I have made a comparison with the movie Rocky 3 hehehehe. I am vey much serious. Bivol should float like butterfly.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 20, 2024, 12:43:32 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on December 19, 2024, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 18, 2024, 06:10:04 PM

So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

Agreed! This would also be very much the most interesting if the fight will be very competitive similar to their fight before, however, the judges will declare Bivol the winner with a split decision. Similar to my argument from the beginning there is only 1 tactic for this to occur, I reckon. This is if Bivol will improve footwork and use a tactic similar to Muhammad Ali. If he cannot be this boxer who can create these big adjustments similar to Rocky Balboa, I am quite certain we will witness something similar to Beterbiev vs. Bivol 1.

I like the improvement of footwork for Bivol if he wants to win. He doesn't need to be almost square on Beterbiev and get's hit and damage. At least use angle and lots of feints to go Beterbiev off balance and guessing on what he will do.

He is capable of that movement, whether his head or his feet as he has good stamina as well, although it seems that he faded in the championship round. But it could be that he took a lot of hurt and damage. So still on the shoulder of Bivol if he can make the right adjustments and strategies in the rematch.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on December 19, 2024, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 18, 2024, 06:10:04 PM

So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

Agreed! This would also be very much the most interesting if the fight will be very competitive similar to their fight before, however, the judges will declare Bivol the winner with a split decision. Similar to my argument from the beginning there is only 1 tactic for this to occur, I reckon. This is if Bivol will improve footwork and use a tactic similar to Muhammad Ali. If he cannot be this boxer who can create these big adjustments similar to Rocky Balboa, I am quite certain we will witness something similar to Beterbiev vs. Bivol 1.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on December 19, 2024, 08:38:37 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 18, 2024, 06:10:04 PM

So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

Yes, the Morrell vs Benavidez fight is really interesting as well, two young boxers who go on the next weight class and obviously wanted to make a name. But in the horizon, it is still Beterbiev and Bivol's playground as they are the top 1 and 2 boxers in the division and they will have their rematch.

So if Bivol makes the right adjustment and win the fight, then I wouldn't be surprised to see a trilogy. And so either Morrell or Benavidez also have their rematch or just wait for the result and see how everything will play on at 175 lbs. But for sure this names are going to fight each other out and they could be the new fab 4 in boxer.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 18, 2024, 06:10:04 PM

So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

It would be very interesting if it really happened with 1 - 1 draw and both of them have win over each other, this could be good competition for the next challenger and whoever wins might face new challenger, Benavidez he has very good career and history as one of the undefeated boxers.
But for the light heavyweight division Benavidez will also meet Morrell first, next year we are presented with pretty great fight for sure for the light heavyweight division because it is filled with some great fighters who will beat each other to get the title and become the undisputed champion.

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Quote from: Maslate on December 19, 2024, 08:24:37 AM

Both are great boxers, but they fought in different eras. If you look at GGG’s record, he had 42 fights, while Beterbiev only had 21. That’s a big difference, and GGG has proven himself in more bouts compared to Beterbiev.

Of course, I wouldn’t say who’s better between the two since they’re from different times, and they never faced each other. Without a direct comparison, it’s hard to determine who the better boxer is.

Well.. that is definitely a factor. Beterbiev has participated in half the number of fights as Golovkin. Also, Golovkin had to face higher quality opponents. I am talking about guys such as Canelo Álvarez (3 times), Ryōta Murata and Daniel Jacobs. On the other hand, Bivol was perhaps the toughest opponent for Beterbiev. And that also partially explains his unbelievable record of 20 knockouts from 21 matches. Anyway, let's not make a comparison between Golovkin and Beterbiev. It's not going to be Apple vs Apple.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 19, 2024, 05:43:00 AM

But with Beterbiev, we haven't seen him getting close to knockdown or even hit by power during his career. And that's why even at age 40, he still fights at a high level and there was no sign of slowdown and we can say that he is still at his prime even at this age wherein majority of boxers are no longer fighting.

Both are great boxers, but they fought in different eras. If you look at GGG’s record, he had 42 fights, while Beterbiev only had 21. That’s a big difference, and GGG has proven himself in more bouts compared to Beterbiev.

Of course, I wouldn’t say who’s better between the two since they’re from different times, and they never faced each other. Without a direct comparison, it’s hard to determine who the better boxer is.

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If he beats Bivol, he will be one of the most durable champions in the new generation. I don't know if he can beat Bernard Hopkin's record of being a champion at 49 years old, but he sets a milestone of knocking almost all his opponents, and he is still strong at 40. Boxers usually show signs of aging at the age of 40, and if this is true, we'll see this on his rematch against Bivol, or is an exception to this belief.

In case of Gennady Golovkin, when he fought against Canelo Álvarez for the third time, age was definitely an issue. And he was 40 at that time. But Beterbiev is of the same age and he hasn't yet shown any signs of ageing. And remember here that GGG was someone who worked really hard on his fitness. He completely avoided alcohol and worked out for hours every day. Artur Beterbiev is even more disciplined. As a Muslim, he is prohibited from consuming alcohol, and his training regimen has been termed as "extreme".

I guess it's also on how he took damage throughout his career, and as durable as GGG's chin, he was hit many times in his career, and as you get's older, maybe it will also shows sign of wear and tear. Again, he wasn't knockout or experienced going into the canvass, but if you took a lot of shots it might slow you down and that might happen to GGG. But with Beterbiev, we haven't seen him getting close to knockdown or even hit by power during his career. And that's why even at age 40, he still fights at a high level and there was no sign of slowdown and we can say that he is still at his prime even at this age wherein majority of boxers are no longer fighting.

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Quote from: coin-investor on December 18, 2024, 11:02:45 AM

If he beats Bivol, he will be one of the most durable champions in the new generation. I don't know if he can beat Bernard Hopkin's record of being a champion at 49 years old, but he sets a milestone of knocking almost all his opponents, and he is still strong at 40. Boxers usually show signs of aging at the age of 40, and if this is true, we'll see this on his rematch against Bivol, or is an exception to this belief.

In case of Gennady Golovkin, when he fought against Canelo Álvarez for the third time, age was definitely an issue. And he was 40 at that time. But Beterbiev is of the same age and he hasn't yet shown any signs of ageing. And remember here that GGG was someone who worked really hard on his fitness. He completely avoided alcohol and worked out for hours every day. Artur Beterbiev is even more disciplined. As a Muslim, he is prohibited from consuming alcohol, and his training regimen has been termed as "extreme".

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It is amazing to see that Artur Beterbiev even at this age (he'll be 40 next month) is maintaining his fitness and being in his peak form. Anyway he is a Daghestani and in that part of Russia people in general maintain their fitness. It is one of the regions with highest life expectancy in Russia. And also, this match signifies a lot of things - Saudi Arabia becoming a global sports hub, Russia cementing it's place as one of the largest source regions for boxers and finally it also signifies that a majority of the sports fans want absolute separation of sports from politics.

If he beats Bivol, he will be one of the most durable champions in the new generation. I don't know if he can beat Bernard Hopkin's record of being a champion at 49 years old, but he sets a milestone of knocking almost all his opponents, and he is still strong at 40. Boxers usually show signs of aging at the age of 40, and if this is true, we'll see this on his rematch against Bivol, or Beterbiev is an exception to this belief.

Yeah, Beterbiev could be one of generation talent as he has been dominating the light heavy weight and now the undisputed by beating his fellow Russians. And we though that he might be affected by his age, however, he proved us wrong by winning the first fight.

So for me, everything is on Bivol, as we are talking about what adjustments he should made in this fight in order to make it 1-1 between the two. And then we hope for a trilogy, it's good as well that they will have a new challenger in the horizon as both Benavidez and Morrell has move up to this division.

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