[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Edgar Berlanga - September 14

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 26, 2024, 06:10:57 AM

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What about going one division down instead of going up?

It doesn't look good when champions, after pushing their limits, start going down because they can't carry their power to be a champion in a higher division. It’s better for Canelo to stay in the current division where he's comfortable or retire if there are no more interesting challengers.

It would be more exciting if boxers from lower divisions went up to challenge Canelo, like the rumored Terrence Crawford fight. Whatever happened to that? Seems like it just faded away...

But it does not look good either when there are almost no opponents left in his division. He has already won against almost every decent guy in supper middleweight. Who is left to beat? If not going to other division, what should he do next? Beat same guys second and third time? With time, the audience would start to skip his fights. Like for example people loved Fast and Furious first parts, but the longer franchise goes, the silly plot becomes. Imho people love to see new challenges, but when they see someone fight someone for the third and fourth time, it becomes boring.

I agree the division loses their reputation if one fighter has all the titles but does not want to defend it on fighters that can give him a real fight, This Berlanga fight did not define Canelo as the best boxer of this generation because Berlanga although young, is not really an A level fighter, I guess Canelo just wants to fight young fighters, not really A level fighters.

Canelo at least should be thankful that Berlanga is trying to sell the fight by creating the impression that he has what it takes to beat Canelo, If Canelo is not fighting the winner of the Bivol-Beterbiev fight or a Benavidez fight and instead fights other fighters, I will prefer to watch the highlights than the actual fight.

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Quote from: Questat on September 26, 2024, 05:38:18 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 26, 2024, 04:12:24 AM

What about going one division down instead of going up?

It doesn't look good when champions, after pushing their limits, start going down because they can't carry their power to be a champion in a higher division. It’s better for Canelo to stay in the current division where he's comfortable or retire if there are no more interesting challengers.

It would be more exciting if boxers from lower divisions went up to challenge Canelo, like the rumored Terrence Crawford fight. Whatever happened to that? Seems like it just faded away...

But it does not look good either when there are almost no opponents left in his division. He has already won against almost every decent guy in supper middleweight. Who is left to beat? If not going to other division, what should he do next? Beat same guys second and third time? With time, the audience would start to skip his fights. Like for example people loved Fast and Furious first parts, but the longer franchise goes, the silly plot becomes. Imho people love to see new challenges, but when they see someone fight someone for the third and fourth time, it becomes boring.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 26, 2024, 04:12:24 AM

What about going one division down instead of going up?

It doesn't look good when champions, after pushing their limits, start going down because they can't carry their power to be a champion in a higher division. It’s better for Canelo to stay in the current division where he's comfortable or retire if there are no more interesting challengers.

It would be more exciting if boxers from lower divisions went up to challenge Canelo, like the rumored Terrence Crawford fight. Whatever happened to that? Seems like it just faded away...

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 26, 2024, 04:12:24 AM

Sounds like a curse for him Grin

Wont find much success in other division; everyone bored to see him fighting in his devision. What about going one division down instead of going up? Any chances to get any success there?

I do not think that Canelo can still make 160 lbs, he is already huge and probably walking around 170 lbs off-season. That's why the best weight for him is between 168 lbs, super middleweight which is his bread and butter. And then did try to go up to 175 lbs, become a champion when he bet a old and wash up Kovalev. But when he did go against a young and true lightweight in Bivol, he lost the fight.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 26, 2024, 04:12:24 AM

Btw what do you guys think about his retirement? He has already built record and name, earned money. Any good reason to continue?

He still has like a good 2-3 fights in him, he might have that wear and tear effect, but as we can see, he is cherry picking his opponents starting John Ryder so it delayed his retirement for about a year or two. No reasons except for the money I guess, he still wanted to have some while he is still the cash-cow of boxing now. A cool $35m guaranteed, so in about a year he is making $70m++ in 2 fights.

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Sounds like a curse for him Grin

Wont find much success in other division; everyone bored to see him fighting in his devision. What about going one division down instead of going up? Any chances to get any success there?

Btw what do you guys think about his retirement? He has already built record and name, earned money. Any good reason to continue?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 25, 2024, 06:56:44 AM

I cant see what new or what difference would Canelo show if he fights Bivol again. A total change of a tactics, which has been taught and polished for years? That really hard to do. If Canelo really wants to go up in division, and still hunts for new belts, then I wish Beterbiev to win and Canelo to face him Cheesy

That is going to be a whole new boxing experience for him. I havent seen Canelo fighting anyone with such a perfect record of 20 wins all by KO.

The Super Middleweight is how far Canelo can go, I don't think he can beat, Bivol, Beterbiev or even Benavidez. These fighters are natural light heavyweights who can even go as big as Cruiserweight on the night of the fight, Canelo is trying to extend himself,, but he has his limit and he will just shame himself if he fight any one of the three.
He should stay in the division until Father creeps up or does a Mayweather, and that is, retire and just enjoy his money.

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I cant see what new or what difference would Canelo show if he fights Bivol again. A total change of a tactics, which has been taught and polished for years? That really hard to do. If Canelo really wants to go up in division, and still hunts for new belts, then I wish Beterbiev to win and Canelo to face him Cheesy

That is going to be a whole new boxing experience for him. I havent seen Canelo fighting anyone with such a perfect record of 20 wins all by KO.

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He is also very much silent on David Benavidez heheheh. I reckon Canelo should accept the challenge from Bud Crawford. This is a superfight that he certainly can win.

He remains silent on Benavidez and Bivol, likely because they are tough opponents to beat. I agree with you, mate, that a superfight with Bud Crawford is probably his next move. Crawford is older and smaller, and this fight doesn’t need much promotion since both are already big names in boxing.

However, Canelo is never silent on a rematch against Bivol is this is in the light heavyweight division where he will not risk anything and let Bivol risk his light heavyweight championship hhehee. He becomes very silent if Bivol replies to him to do it in super middleweight where Canelo will be risking his championships. This Canelo is not anymore similar to the boxer that we have witnessed before. This old Canelo only wants no risk and more money for retirement. This is not headshaking, however. He should collect more money if the fans continue to pay watch hehehe.

Canelo is just making excuses not to fight Bivol, as we all know that Beterbiev and Bivol are going to fight and for sure Canelo is very much interested on the results. However, there is still Benavidez. And so that is the two best fighters that Canelo should have been facing next, not someone in the middle weight division as he pretty much fought all of them and beat them.

But as you have said, he has chance a lot from that Bivol lost, now he is trying to go for fighters with less risk and that he can beat. He could have learn this through his old promoters like Oscar, and then since he is a A-side, he could be getting the bigger share and easy $35 million as guaranteed money for him every fight.

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He is also very much silent on David Benavidez heheheh. I reckon Canelo should accept the challenge from Bud Crawford. This is a superfight that he certainly can win.

He remains silent on Benavidez and Bivol, likely because they are tough opponents to beat. I agree with you, mate, that a superfight with Bud Crawford is probably his next move. Crawford is older and smaller, and this fight doesn’t need much promotion since both are already big names in boxing.

However, Canelo is never silent on a rematch against Bivol is this is in the light heavyweight division where he will not risk anything and let Bivol risk his light heavyweight championship hhehee. He becomes very silent if Bivol replies to him to do it in super middleweight where Canelo will be risking his championships. This Canelo is not anymore similar to the boxer that we have witnessed before. This old Canelo only wants no risk and more money for retirement. This is not headshaking, however. He should collect more money if the fans continue to pay watch hehehe.

Interesting scenario will be Bivol beating Beterbiev to become a unified LHW champion. And then him and Canelo go for the undisputed in two weight classes, Canelo's SMW (although he has been stripped by IBF already), against Bivol LHW belt.

Not sure if this is the first time that we will hear this kind of fight. However, everything is on Canelo know, his mind keeps on changing against Bivol, he said that he rematch him, but he wanted at 168 lbs. Now after his win against Berlanga, he wanted the fight at 175 lbs. He has running out of opponents at 168 lbs and perhaps this is the reason why he wanted it now at LHW.

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Quote from: TravelMug on September 19, 2024, 03:59:46 AM

It's doable but Canelo wanted more money, and I do not think that Turki is willing as we have remember that they have been at odds lately as HE is criticizing Canelo as he doesn't want Canelo doing his business or something like that. So there is a verbal tussle, that's why in the post fight interview, Canelo says "no comment" on the Crawford fight.

And I reckon that Canelo will reason out that he doesn't need Crawford as he had his legacy already.

Canelo is in a difficult position, someone that has won all the belts on the division has as a natural move to leave it and fight a new series of opponents, but the fight with Bivol in which he was completely dominated showed he does not have the tools to succeed there, so he can only remain on his division and fight other boxers that are not a threat to him and get the most cash he can as the time of his retirement is getting closer.

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He is also very much silent on David Benavidez heheheh. I reckon Canelo should accept the challenge from Bud Crawford. This is a superfight that he certainly can win.

He remains silent on Benavidez and Bivol, likely because they are tough opponents to beat. I agree with you, mate, that a superfight with Bud Crawford is probably his next move. Crawford is older and smaller, and this fight doesn’t need much promotion since both are already big names in boxing.

However, Canelo is never silent on a rematch against Bivol is this is in the light heavyweight division where he will not risk anything and let Bivol risk his light heavyweight championship hhehee. He becomes very silent if Bivol replies to him to do it in super middleweight where Canelo will be risking his championships. This Canelo is not anymore similar to the boxer that we have witnessed before. This old Canelo only wants no risk and more money for retirement. This is not headshaking, however. He should collect more money if the fans continue to pay watch hehehe.

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^^ Great numbers in my opinion, and I do agree, Canelo is still the cash cow and if he can have this consistent numbers moving forward, it will justify his $35 million guaranteed price for his every fight. And this numbers is similar to what he did against Munguia, 550,00-560,000 PPV and 21 million live gate sales.

Although Canelo is running out of dance partners to have this kind of numbers in the future. He had clean up the division, he doesn't want to fight Benavidez, and if he is going to fight Bivol, he wanted it at 168 lbs, and then Crawford, I don't think that he will be paid at least $100 million or up as this is what is being reported as his asking price.

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And according to reports, this are the numbers on this fight,

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Sports Business journal reports Canelo vs Berlanga did:

$17 Million live gate

650,000 PPV sales.

Thoughts?

If all accurate great numbers for boxing considering the competition on the same night.

https://x.com/BOXINGnBBQ/status/1836502475869970543

And what do you think of the numbers? If this is accurate then I must say that it's a good numbers as it also against a UFC 306. And again, it just shows that Canelo is still the cash cow of boxing no matter what his critics did say about this fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 19, 2024, 02:26:53 AM

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He is also very much silent on David Benavidez heheheh. I reckon Canelo should accept the challenge from Bud Crawford. This is a superfight that he certainly can win.

He remains silent on Benavidez and Bivol, likely because they are tough opponents to beat. I agree with you, mate, that a superfight with Bud Crawford is probably his next move. Crawford is older and smaller, and this fight doesn’t need much promotion since both are already big names in boxing.

It's doable but Canelo wanted more money, and I do not think that Turki is willing as we have remember that they have been at odds lately as HE is criticizing Canelo as he doesn't want Canelo doing his business or something like that. So there is a verbal tussle, that's why in the post fight interview, Canelo says "no comment" on the Crawford fight.

And I reckon that Canelo will reason out that he doesn't need Crawford as he had his legacy already.

@TopTort777 - maybe his next fight will be like a exhibition match, it is going to be a title fight, but Canelo will obviously choose a fighter that he can beat easily, so no more risk for him moving forward. Cheesy

. No Bivol, no Crawford, and no Benavidez.

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Or, Canelo could have an exhibition fight Cheesy

Or a non-title fight but in his division. I know it sounds crazy, but while waiting for convenient opponent (Bivol to become weaker for example Cheesy

) he could have a joke fight against someone more media than him. After all, Tyson Fury had that non-title fight against Ngannou while both being heavyweights Cheesy

Or a fight like Mayweather had against McGregor.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 19, 2024, 01:18:12 AM

He is also very much silent on David Benavidez heheheh. I reckon Canelo should accept the challenge from Bud Crawford. This is a superfight that he certainly can win.

He remains silent on Benavidez and Bivol, likely because they are tough opponents to beat. I agree with you, mate, that a superfight with Bud Crawford is probably his next move. Crawford is older and smaller, and this fight doesn’t need much promotion since both are already big names in boxing.

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Think that Canelo is going easy way again? I was thinking, that after a declass against Bivol, Canelo needed to rebuild reputation, maybe get some confidence. He had some easy opponents after Bivol, and I suppose it is time for him to get a real deal. On the other hand, look on his division. He has fought nearly everyone decent. Who should he face next if he wants to improve? Fighting guys like Berlanga is just building win record and fulfilming contract duties. He urgently needs to face top opponents of other divisions. Or it will be boring to watch him winning another young blood.

Canelo has become very much boring similar to much of the boxers after they have become older. I reckon there are 2 fighters who has created excitement in their older age, this is Floyd Mayweather and the Philipine Pacman.

You are correct, Canelo should stop avoiding David Benavidez heheheh. This is a very big risk, however. Another boxer who wants to fight him in super middleweight division is also Bivol but Canelo is also scared of this because very risky heheheeh.

Bivol is about to fight Beterbiev. Bivol is now running divorce process and his wife is raging in social media, so it going to be tough, painful and long for him. With all that, it might be that Bivol will be available for a next fight in half a year or a year. Would Canelo wait for so long for a rematch? Or would rather get someone ranked top#11-20 to fight against in his division? Cheesy

Canelo talked so much about his legacy, but keep on collecting above average quality skulls Cheesy

Definitely he is going against someone who he will definitely beat easily by points.

On Bivol and Canelo rematch, it was Canelo who mentioned this after his loss in light heavyweight division against Bivol. After Canelo's mention, Bivol replied that he will agree on a rematch if the rematch is in super middleweight division and Canelo should risk his championships if he demands this rematch. Canelo was very much in silence after this heehehehe.

He is also very much silent on David Benavidez heheheh. I reckon Canelo should accept the challenge from Bud Crawford. This is a superfight that he certainly can win.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on September 16, 2024, 08:52:12 PM

Both of them definitely wanted to win by KO but nothing happened in that match, I saw Berlanga who had fallen but he was still able to express that he still had high spirits by fighting both of his hands and I had time to laugh seeing this. Although Berlanga failed to win the match but I salute him because when the final bell rang he shouted as if he was satisfied with the match even though the result was a loss.
Cancelo who was indeed superior in experience made it difficult for Berlanga to be able to hit his KO. But I think in this match Berlanga gained additional experience for himself. And honestly I previously thought that Berlanga could beat Cancelo but indeed experience cannot lie.

Fight from the start has shown that Canelo is far superior and indeed Canelo managed to make Berlanga fall but it was not blow that made Berlanga really unable to continue the fight, it is clear that Berlanga is not worthy opponent for Canelo but yes we know about the negative hype about the Canelo fight that chose Berlanga.
This victory also makes Canelo still retain the title as well as the WBC, WBA and WBO super middleweight championship belts so that in the future we can see Canelo fight again for the championship title, I wonder who will be the next fighter whether the mandatory challenger or the fighter chosen to make it easier for Canelo to retain the title.
But you are right that this fight provides lessons and experience for Berlanga, he can learn and start preparing himself again if in the future he gets the opportunity to fight for the title again, experience is everything and with experience boxer will be able to measure his ability to fight better.

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With this win? I don't think that he will retire, but we don't know who Canelo is going to fight next as others have said, he pretty much clean up the division and there's nothing to proved unless his next fight is either Bivol or Benavidez.

He will wait for the next new kid on the block, because he wants to teach these new kids on the block lessons about boxing just like what Mayweather did to him when he was just a new kid on the block in the Welterweight division.

It's only David Benavidez that is the new kid on the block in my opinion. He already beaten the likes of Berlanga and Munguia already, who I think is the future of the super middle weight division. It's a different case though against Floyd, he was fed against Mayweather early in his career, while this guys want to fight him and unfortunately, he doesn't want to give that fight to Benavidez.

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And he will continue to avoid fighting future Hall of Famers like him because it could ruin his potential, This cherry picking was started by Mayweather to protect his legacy.

But whatever Canelo do next, people will watch and support him, especially the Mexicans, I don't know how Canelo will end his career I hope something that will define his career like a rematch against Bivol.

Yes, he might be avoiding some future Hall of Famers like Bivol, as he already thought that he has his legacy cemented already and he is after the money before he retires. For sure fans are going to still support Canelo whoever next boxer he will face.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 18, 2024, 07:02:54 AM

With this win? I don't think that he will retire, but we don't know who Canelo is going to fight next as others have said, he pretty much clean up the division and there's nothing to proved unless his next fight is either Bivol or Benavidez.

He will wait for the next new kid on the block, because he wants to teach these new kids on the block lessons about boxing just like what Mayweather did to him when he was just a new kid on the block in the Welterweight division.

And he will continue to avoid fighting future Hall of Famers like him because it could ruin his potential, This cherry picking was started by Mayweather to protect his legacy.

But whatever Canelo do next, people will watch and support him, especially the Mexicans, I don't know how Canelo will end his career I hope something that will define his career like a rematch against Bivol.

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