[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Edgar Berlanga - September 14 - page 4.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2024, 09:23:14 PM

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

Well, this the common mistake of the young fighters when going against the veteran and top caliber fighters. They tend to think being old could be a disadvantage against them, completely ignoring the fact that veterans knew every corner of the ring.
The odds is actually huge as Canelo being the heavy favourite. I'm not so familiar with Berlanga, but one thing is for sure, he's yet to fight a fighter in the top caliber like Canelo. So, being undefeated doesn't really mean that much in this match.

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I'm done betting on Canelo by KO. I'm losing money on this bet for 3 consecutive times already, if my memory serves me right. Since his rematch against Golovkin, I thought Canelo's most recent fights would end up with a KO in his favor. This time around, I guess I would be betting on over 9.5.

I'm not expecting so much from Berlanga, but given his youth and his height and reach advantage, it's my belief that he can avoid a massacre. Some jabs, some clinches, and a huge gas tank for a lot of running will make him last.

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

This might be the same argument I used when I bet on a Canelo win via KO against Jaime Munguia. Munguia was young, powerful, hungry, confident, and a strong boxer who knocked out 4 of his last 5 opponents. He seemed to be the kind of boxer that is experienced enough to trade blows against the older Canelo. I lost, the fight went the distance.

3.75 is beyond attractive but, yeah, risky. That's why I got a safer one. I got my Over 9.5 Asian total at 2.13. Good enough. But I think your bet has a higher probability of winning than what's suggested by the odds.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2024, 09:23:14 PM

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

Yeah, that version of Canelo is still very prime when he knockouts Caleb Plant. I mean he methodically put up a clinic that fight as he slowly destroys him physically and mentally and then take him out middle or late rounds if I'm not mistaken.

I do like the decision as well, seems to be great odds. And if Canelo losses his punching power and Berlanga is strong because he is the younger here, he could stay and stood for the rest of the 12 rounds. But it will still be Canelo defending all this belts at MW.

Seems like a good idea. With odds like 3.75, no one would say no to that, especially knowing that Canelo isn't a knockout artist anymore but can still dominate the fight. Good bet, @bisdak40, makes me want to try it out too. Just hope Berlanga doesn’t get too careless and end up getting caught by Canelo’s counter.

I do not see that Berlanga will be careless though, this is his time and he will be careful engaging Canelo is the early rounds. And there could be no actions as he will just try to feel the power of Canelo and maybe we will see him on the bicycle for the first 3 rounds.

But as the round goes by, Canelo will initiate everything but Berlanga will stay very tough and survived and I think a over 8.5 is also a good bet. It's a risky bet on the decision win by Canelo, but as we have said, he hasn't knockout someone since the Caleb Plant knockout, so it's a risk that is worth taking. And also the fight going into distance is a good bet as well.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 13, 2024, 05:30:12 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2024, 09:23:14 PM

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

Yeah, that version of Canelo is still very prime when he knockouts Caleb Plant. I mean he methodically put up a clinic that fight as he slowly destroys him physically and mentally and then take him out middle or late rounds if I'm not mistaken.

I do like the decision as well, seems to be great odds. And if Canelo losses his punching power and Berlanga is strong because he is the younger here, he could stay and stood for the rest of the 12 rounds. But it will still be Canelo defending all this belts at MW.

Seems like a good idea. With odds like 3.75, no one would say no to that, especially knowing that Canelo isn't a knockout artist anymore but can still dominate the fight. Good bet, @bisdak40, makes me want to try it out too. Just hope Berlanga doesn’t get too careless and end up getting caught by Canelo’s counter.

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That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

Berlanga has never really faced anybody who would be considered a serious threat so we don’t know how good his chin is. He has been dropped before by Marcelo Coceres, who had a low knockout percentage. Without better opponents we don’t know if it was a fluke or if his punch resistance is poor. I don’t have confidence in Berlanga. He will either get battered and eventually broken or he will get battered and manage to survive. I am leaning towards Canelo getting his first KO win in years.

I'm done betting on Canelo by KO. I'm losing money on this bet for 3 consecutive times already, if my memory serves me right. Since his rematch against Golovkin, I thought Canelo's most recent fights would end up with a KO in his favor. This time around, I guess I would be betting on over 9.5.

I'm not expecting so much from Berlanga, but given his youth and his height and reach advantage, it's my belief that he can avoid a massacre. Some jabs, some clinches, and a huge gas tank for a lot of running will make him last.

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

Yeah, that version of Canelo is still very prime when he knockouts Caleb Plant. I mean he methodically put up a clinic that fight as he slowly destroys him physically and mentally and then take him out middle or late rounds if I'm not mistaken.

I do like the decision as well, seems to be great odds. And if Canelo losses his punching power and Berlanga is strong because he is the younger here, he could stay and stood for the rest of the 12 rounds. But it will still be Canelo defending all this belts at MW.

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So there is an upcoming boxing fight between Canelo and Berlanga. While Berlanga is quite youthful, more than Canelo, and he has won quite impressive victories, but not with the big shots in boxing, he stands a good chance in this fight because I think he earned his win to this fight. He's probably somewhere really practising for this fight, so he has a fair shot at beating Canelo.

But Canelo with his experience, having dealt with a lot of big shots in boxing over the years, will equally know how to deal with younger boxers. Even though he is older and his prime time was like four years ago, he still has experience and knows how to balance his feet in the ring and throw a good punch.

So, I'm fifty-fifty on both of them, I really love to see like young people gain victories, like Berlanga gaining victory, but I doubt if Canelo will come on ring and allow a younger boxer to just get him, so even though the match is clashing, it's still a potential good match to watch.

50/50 ? Dude, go to any casino that has sports betting and check odds. Its 1.05 that Canelo would win, and 13 for Berlanga to win Cheesy

(or something similar). It is going to be a total beating. No matter the age and how hard Berlanga trains, everyone already understand who will win, and we just try to guess in which round Berlanga will feel the ring with his face. You say that Berlanga had impressive victories, but none of his last 5 opponents were even in world top #20. And now he is about to face a top #1

Or if Berlanga can last the distance because that odds is still good to place a bet, or the over and under rounds at 8.5. Berlanga might have the youth in him, but he doesn't have that experience and as others said, who's his opponent in the last 5? Those boxers are not even close to the level of Canelo.

But there could be fans who can still fall for this trick, I mean Canelo gets a fighter that is good in paper and so he trick some of us in thinking that this is a good fight for him and that this could be a close fight. But not for hardcore boxing fans like us. This is not a 50/50 fight.

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Quote from: Natalim on September 12, 2024, 11:32:34 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2024, 09:23:14 PM

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

I don't think his age has much to do with it. Maybe he's just being more cautious after losing to Bivol, which is why he's avoiding big-name fighters—maybe he's afraid of losing again. Actually, Canelo's fights aren't as exciting to talk about anymore. He's just one of those great boxers who seems to be aging in reverse, not like his idol Manny, who, despite his age, still doesn’t shy away from tough opponents.

This one’s a no-brainer, easy win for sure.

It's the risk that Canelo is now taking, the less riskier his opponent the better for him, he will stay get the money that he wanted, and then his young and upcoming boxers like Munguia and Berlanga is being grateful that Canelo has given them the chance, that once in a lifetime opportunity to test themselves against the best.

So plus his age, his fight is not that exciting anymore, although Canelo still manages to win. The John Ryder fight is the more significant fight as I think this is the start of somewhat Canelo wasn't able to knockout his opponent when almost everyone thought that he would. And now his fight has been extending to full 12 rounds.

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Quote from: Yucky on September 13, 2024, 02:12:08 AM

So there is an upcoming boxing fight between Canelo and Berlanga. While Berlanga is quite youthful, more than Canelo, and he has won quite impressive victories, but not with the big shots in boxing, he stands a good chance in this fight because I think he earned his win to this fight. He's probably somewhere really practising for this fight, so he has a fair shot at beating Canelo.

But Canelo with his experience, having dealt with a lot of big shots in boxing over the years, will equally know how to deal with younger boxers. Even though he is older and his prime time was like four years ago, he still has experience and knows how to balance his feet in the ring and throw a good punch.

So, I'm fifty-fifty on both of them, I really love to see like young people gain victories, like Berlanga gaining victory, but I doubt if Canelo will come on ring and allow a younger boxer to just get him, so even though the match is clashing, it's still a potential good match to watch.

50/50 ? Dude, go to any casino that has sports betting and check odds. Its 1.05 that Canelo would win, and 13 for Berlanga to win Cheesy

(or something similar). It is going to be a total beating. No matter the age and how hard Berlanga trains, everyone already understand who will win, and we just try to guess in which round Berlanga will feel the ring with his face. You say that Berlanga had impressive victories, but none of his last 5 opponents were even in world top #20. And now he is about to face a top #1

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So there is an upcoming boxing fight between Canelo and Berlanga. While Berlanga is quite youthful, more than Canelo, and he has won quite impressive victories, but not with the big shots in boxing, he stands a good chance in this fight because I think he earned his win to this fight. He's probably somewhere really practising for this fight, so he has a fair shot at beating Canelo.

But Canelo with his experience, having dealt with a lot of big shots in boxing over the years, will equally know how to deal with younger boxers. Even though he is older and his prime time was like four years ago, he still has experience and knows how to balance his feet in the ring and throw a good punch.

So, I'm fifty-fifty on both of them, I really love to see like young people gain victories, like Berlanga gaining victory, but I doubt if Canelo will come on ring and allow a younger boxer to just get him, so even though the match is clashing, it's still a potential good match to watch.

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I wont stop repeating, that Canelo must go to other division if he wants to keep showing improvement and proving that he is the best. What is the point of beating Berlanga and spoiling his record? What is the point of beating other boxers either for second time, or beating guys like Berlanga? Even if they go full distance and Berlanga did not get KOed, judges will never give him a win, even if that would be a close fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 12, 2024, 09:23:14 PM

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

I don't think his age has much to do with it. Maybe he's just being more cautious after losing to Bivol, which is why he's avoiding big-name fighters—maybe he's afraid of losing again. Actually, Canelo's fights aren't as exciting to talk about anymore. He's just one of those great boxers who seems to be aging in reverse, not like his idol Manny, who, despite his age, still doesn’t shy away from tough opponents.

This one’s a no-brainer, easy win for sure.

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That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

Berlanga has never really faced anybody who would be considered a serious threat so we don’t know how good his chin is. He has been dropped before by Marcelo Coceres, who had a low knockout percentage. Without better opponents we don’t know if it was a fluke or if his punch resistance is poor. I don’t have confidence in Berlanga. He will either get battered and eventually broken or he will get battered and manage to survive. I am leaning towards Canelo getting his first KO win in years.

I'm done betting on Canelo by KO. I'm losing money on this bet for 3 consecutive times already, if my memory serves me right. Since his rematch against Golovkin, I thought Canelo's most recent fights would end up with a KO in his favor. This time around, I guess I would be betting on over 9.5.

I'm not expecting so much from Berlanga, but given his youth and his height and reach advantage, it's my belief that he can avoid a massacre. Some jabs, some clinches, and a huge gas tank for a lot of running will make him last.

Canelo's last KO win was in 2021 against Caleb Plant and it seems that the older he gets, he can't anymore KO his opponent but considering the immaturity of Berlanga where he have not fought a boxer like Canelo's caliber i think a bet for Canelo via decision @3.75 is a very risky bet but still i would go on that one as for me that is the only attractive odds of the fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 12, 2024, 02:01:43 AM

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That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

Berlanga has never really faced anybody who would be considered a serious threat so we don’t know how good his chin is. He has been dropped before by Marcelo Coceres, who had a low knockout percentage. Without better opponents we don’t know if it was a fluke or if his punch resistance is poor. I don’t have confidence in Berlanga. He will either get battered and eventually broken or he will get battered and manage to survive. I am leaning towards Canelo getting his first KO win in years.

I'm done betting on Canelo by KO. I'm losing money on this bet for 3 consecutive times already, if my memory serves me right. Since his rematch against Golovkin, I thought Canelo's most recent fights would end up with a KO in his favor. This time around, I guess I would be betting on over 9.5.

I'm not expecting so much from Berlanga, but given his youth and his height and reach advantage, it's my belief that he can avoid a massacre. Some jabs, some clinches, and a huge gas tank for a lot of running will make him last.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 12, 2024, 02:01:43 AM

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That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

Berlanga has never really faced anybody who would be considered a serious threat so we don’t know how good his chin is. He has been dropped before by Marcelo Coceres, who had a low knockout percentage. Without better opponents we don’t know if it was a fluke or if his punch resistance is poor. I don’t have confidence in Berlanga. He will either get battered and eventually broken or he will get battered and manage to survive. I am leaning towards Canelo getting his first KO win in years.

Yes, and we can say that on Munguia as well. But Canelo drop him although it could be just a flash knock down. But just imagine if Berlanga is coming forward and Canelo caught him good, he could stay in the canvass. Or if he survives, how can he react with that. Will he go turtle up and change plans? Or still very hungry because he tasted blood already. So we will see, for sure Canelo is going to check that chin.

And I do agree that Berlanga doesn't have any opponents in his resume that is close to Canelo. He is still up and coming fighter. He and his team should be very happy that Canelo chooses him to be his dance partner, and they try to make it in a storyline of PR vs Mexico rivalry.

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No doubt that the odds are really for Canelo Alvarez, the experience is really for him, total fights are more than two from Edgar Berlanga.
The only advantage I can see for Edgar Berlanga is the height, reach, and his being undefeated, he needs to win to protect his being undefeated. I am waiting for this kind of fight because a boxer is undefeated.

Actually, I don't see that as an advantage for him against Canelo because he has faced many tall opponents and still won. I think this is a mismatch; it's a shame for Berlanga’s undefeated record that he faces Canelo. However, this fight provides good exposure for Berlanga, especially if he performs well or even pulls off an upset. But I think it's likely another easy win for Canelo, probably by unanimous decision.

Advantage is only in paper, for this guys specially on the experience of Canelo, no doubt that he can take away that height advantage of Berlanga. And if Berlanga doesn't know how to used his job and height, he will be eaten alive by Canelo here. But I do agree that what he will got here, despite taking a lost, could still be beneficial for him in the future as he will gain a big exposure and experience fighting this version of Canelo Alvarez.

Although he doesn't want to lose and believed in himself and very confident that he will win, it is going to be very difficult once he is inside the ring. Munguia said that after that fight that the experience is very different and so one advise that he give for Berlanga is just step his game if he wanted to win.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on September 11, 2024, 09:11:03 PM

No doubt that the odds are really for Canelo Alvarez, the experience is really for him, total fights are more than two from Edgar Berlanga.
The only advantage I can see for Edgar Berlanga is the height, reach, and his being undefeated, he needs to win to protect his being undefeated. I am waiting for this kind of fight because a boxer is undefeated.

Actually, I don't see that as an advantage for him against Canelo because he has faced many tall opponents and still won. I think this is a mismatch; it's a shame for Berlanga’s undefeated record that he faces Canelo. However, this fight provides good exposure for Berlanga, especially if he performs well or even pulls off an upset. But I think it's likely another easy win for Canelo, probably by unanimous decision.

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That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

Berlanga has never really faced anybody who would be considered a serious threat so we don’t know how good his chin is. He has been dropped before by Marcelo Coceres, who had a low knockout percentage. Without better opponents we don’t know if it was a fluke or if his punch resistance is poor. I don’t have confidence in Berlanga. He will either get battered and eventually broken or he will get battered and manage to survive. I am leaning towards Canelo getting his first KO win in years.

Height is the only advantage that Berlanga has. Age? I don't think the 7-year gap could be another factor, and I could also say that Canelo still has a high chance of winning. The fight experience that Canelo has is such a big factor that even fighting a younger boxer couldn't easily beat him unless he had health problems.

Moreover, to angle and all the given stats we see, maybe our prediction is wrong, but we couldn't deny that Canelo will dominate the fight. Besides, he is not so old that anyone like Berlanga would easily beat him, as I believe that Canelo still has a solid punch that can put him down if he gets perfect timing.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 11, 2024, 04:14:45 AM

That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

Berlanga has never really faced anybody who would be considered a serious threat so we don’t know how good his chin is. He has been dropped before by Marcelo Coceres, who had a low knockout percentage. Without better opponents we don’t know if it was a fluke or if his punch resistance is poor. I don’t have confidence in Berlanga. He will either get battered and eventually broken or he will get battered and manage to survive. I am leaning towards Canelo getting his first KO win in years.

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Here are Alvarez and Berlanga's quick records and stats.

No doubt that the odds are really for Canelo Alvarez, the experience is really for him, total fights are more than two from Edgar Berlanga.
The only advantage I can see for Edgar Berlanga is the height, reach, and his being undefeated, he needs to win to protect his being undefeated. I am waiting for this kind of fight because a boxer is undefeated.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 11, 2024, 04:14:45 AM

Sometimes height will be a disadvantage, watch the fight between Fundora and Brian Mendoza, Sebastian Fundora is tall at 1.98 m and Mendoza at 1.78. And because of that difference, Mendoza's main target is Fundora's chin and he was able to knockout Fundora. Or Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito. Munguia did pretty well against Canelo, but as I have said, Canelo has a lot of experience under his belt and even score a knock down for the win.

That's why sport bookies favors Canelo here as they point him as a huge favorite because of that. The thing with Berlanga is that he is very confident, but it will be a rude awakening for him once his inside the ring with Canelo. I have Canelo here to win by decision, juicy odds, 3.x.

That's right, Canelo does have a lot of experience, and Canelo threatens to KO him in Round 8, while Edgar Berlanga himself said "I'll KO him in Round 6", besides that Berlanga admitted that he was not afraid of Canelo's threat to KO him in round 8. In my opinion, this match is quite hot because they are fighting for Canelo's WBA, WBC, and WBO super middleweight titles.

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Even though Canelo has shared the ring with tough boxers, it seems that Berlanga is not afraid at all, he remains confident that he can win, but it is certainly not easy to defeat Canelo who already has a lot of experience. If you say the chances of winning are probably greater for Canelo. It is not surprising that bookies like Canelo because it is already clear that he is a tough fighter in his class.

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