New thread for Canelo vs Jermell Charlo
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Topic: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Super Middleweight (September 16) (Read 663 times)
July 01, 2023, 03:24:00 PM
July 01, 2023, 02:46:32 PM
Hmm, it's getting weird though, but there are reports that it will not be Jermall Charlo the 160 lbs champion and who is inactive, but his twin brother, Jermell Charlo, the reigning undisputed 154 lbs who is supposed to fight Tim Tszyu who is now going to face Canelo Alvarez at 168 lbs Sept 30th.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
At first, yes, it is really weird because we have already discussed and thought that it will be Jermall Charlo who will fight Canelo. But as per reading this quote, I looked it up immediately to see what's real and what's not, and to avoid confusion as well. So, yes, it will be Jermell and not Jermall. I honestly did not see this coming.
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Canelo Alvarez will be facing a Charlo brother next, but it will be Jermell, not Jermall, who is opposite the Mexican superstar on Saturday, Sept. 30, live on pay-per-view.
Instead, it will be Jermell, the reigning and undisputed 154 lb champion, jumping up two divisions to face the reigning and undisputed 168 lb champion. As you can imagine, “Undisputed vs Undisputed” will be the major piece of marketing here.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/6/30/23780548/canelo-next-fight-vs-jermell-not-jermall-charlo-official-september-30-boxing-news-2023 Instead, it will be Jermell, the reigning and undisputed 154 lb champion, jumping up two divisions to face the reigning and undisputed 168 lb champion. As you can imagine, “Undisputed vs Undisputed” will be the major piece of marketing here.
July 01, 2023, 02:32:51 PM
Hmm, it's getting weird though, but there are reports that it will not be Jermall Charlo the 160 lbs champion and who is inactive, but his twin brother, Jermell Charlo, the reigning undisputed 154 lbs who is supposed to fight Tim Tszyu who is now going to face Canelo Alvarez at 168 lbs Sept 30th.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
I also saw a post of an undisputed vs undisputed from PBC itself so this is true. 2 years inactive Jermall Charlo will be substituted by his twin brother, the undisputed 154 champion Jermell Charlo.
I don't think the odds will change with the shift of opponents. Jermell is also inactive although a year only but he needs to climb 2 divisions to fight Canelo. Canelo will be very aggressive in this fight being confident that Mell cannot hurt him.
Partly ducking in the part of Jermell but honestly, the champion took a more difficult mission and of course, he will also earn the biggest money of his pro career.
Tim as the interim WBO will be elevated as its new champion. Jermell vacating the belts also denies Crawford's huge ambition of becoming the first-ever 3-division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era. I don't think Bud has time on his side unless he continues to fight in his late 30s which will be very difficult.
July 01, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
Hmm, it's getting weird though, but there are reports that it will not be Jermall Charlo the 160 lbs champion and who is inactive, but his twin brother, Jermell Charlo, the reigning undisputed 154 lbs who is supposed to fight Tim Tszyu who is now going to face Canelo Alvarez at 168 lbs Sept 30th.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
Canelo himself confirmed it on his social media. It will be the smaller Charlo brother who will be moving up two weight classes to face Canelo.
https://twitter.com/Canelo/status/1674888423650492417
I don't think Charlo is ducking Tszyu. He is obviously going to make a lot more money against Canelo so it would be stupid to turn down that opportunity. I do however see this as more evidence that Canelo is ducking Benavidez. If Jermall wasn't ready then there was no reason to bring up a fighter from two weight classes below. If Canelo wins then he will move on to the other Charlo so we will probably have to wait at least a year for a possible fight with Benavidez and that's only if Canelo doesn't end up cherry picking another smaller, older, or inactive fighter to further avoid that fight.
July 01, 2023, 01:03:44 PM
So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.
What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?
What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?
I never thought I would see a statement saying that a certain fight will be risky for Canelo after being the king of the super middleweight division hehehhee. I reckon Bivol is showing the Irish looking Mexican that he cannot be dictated into a rematch in light heavyweight hehe.
For this fight, I am shaking my head that only 3 people voted for Canelo by decision. This is a very clear outcome. If Canelo cannot knockout Ryder, it might also be difficult for him to knockout Charlo.
In any case, where is David Benavidez? Canelo is avoiding the future king?
In any case, where is David Benavidez? Canelo is avoiding the future king
I honestly thought that David Benavidez will have his chance after Canelo's tune-up fight against Ryder but sadly, it was not the case because even if we say that Charlo is durable, I reckon it is still counted as cherry picking instead of fighting a rising star that is looking to replace him on his throne.If only WBC is not a money licking organization, I guess Benavidez already had his chance because he got the interim belt.
July 01, 2023, 12:30:08 PM
Hmm, it's getting weird though, but there are reports that it will not be Jermall Charlo the 160 lbs champion and who is inactive, but his twin brother, Jermell Charlo, the reigning undisputed 154 lbs who is supposed to fight Tim Tszyu who is now going to face Canelo Alvarez at 168 lbs Sept 30th.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.
July 01, 2023, 07:03:30 AM
It's because they think that Canelo can knockout a overweight and not natural 168 lbs who is inactive for 2 years in Jermall Charlo. Ryder is a bigger guy and maybe weight around lightweight during their fight. I doubt that Charlo can be at 175 once he is rehydration. And we don't know, maybe Canelo has put a rehydration clause as well in this fight.
Charlo's inactivity is a major disadvantage for him. Canelo hasn't been knocking out boxers recently, perhaps because his confidence was somewhat shaken after his loss to Bivol. However, he is an overall smart fighter who knows how to conserve his energy and ensure victory.
What will be the betting odds for Canelo to win by KO and Canelo to win by decision? I believe bookies know better. If the odds for Canelo winning by KO are lower, it likely indicates a higher probability of that outcome.
July 01, 2023, 06:54:03 AM
So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.
What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?
What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?
I never thought I would see a statement saying that a certain fight will be risky for Canelo after being the king of the super middleweight division hehehhee. I reckon Bivol is showing the Irish looking Mexican that he cannot be dictated into a rematch in light heavyweight hehe.
Thats' what the point of Bivol and his team, they doesn't want Canelo to dictate the terms on their rematch Bivol beat him. Lol, don't call him like that, just "cinnamon", that's why he got his nickname "Canelo".
For this fight, I am shaking my head that only 3 people voted for Canelo by decision. This is a very clear outcome. If Canelo cannot knockout Ryder, it might also be difficult for him to knockout Charlo.
In any case, where is David Benavidez? Canelo is avoiding the future king?
In any case, where is David Benavidez? Canelo is avoiding the future king?
It's because they think that Canelo can knockout a overweight and not natural 168 lbs who is inactive for 2 years in Jermall Charlo. Ryder is a bigger guy and maybe weight around lightweight during their fight. I doubt that Charlo can be at 175 once he is rehydration. And we don't know, maybe Canelo has put a rehydration clause as well in this fight.
July 01, 2023, 12:43:03 AM
So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.
What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?
What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?
I never thought I would see a statement saying that a certain fight will be risky for Canelo after being the king of the super middleweight division hehehhee. I reckon Bivol is showing the Irish looking Mexican that he cannot be dictated into a rematch in light heavyweight hehe.
For this fight, I am shaking my head that only 3 people voted for Canelo by decision. This is a very clear outcome. If Canelo cannot knockout Ryder, it might also be difficult for him to knockout Charlo.
In any case, where is David Benavidez? Canelo is avoiding the future king?
June 30, 2023, 09:06:37 PM
- I think Charlo will win there, because from what I can see if he is only Canelo in terms of stamina and skills of punches, this is just my assessment. Although most of this is Canelo's advantage, but for me I don't think so. We'll find out when they're in the ring.
Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.
Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.
Maybe you lack more assessment,
1. Charlo is 160 lbs as his best weight. They are going to fight at Canelo's best weight of 168 lbs. So think about it, Charlo needs to add additional 8 lbs in his frame.
2. Charlo has been inactive for more than 2 years because of mental issues.
I think it's important to factor this two if you are going to make your prediction in this fight.
Sometimes it's just easy to say things especially when there is nothing at stake. But maybe the guy already made a bet on Pussymall. No offense though, I just don't like how Jermall is calling up Canelo for years now yet he never even entertained a fight against Boo Boo and Benavidez which are easier to make.
Maybe he was calling Canelo back then for the money, just wrong timing though for Charlo, as GGG is still at the height of his popularity at 160 lbs and that's why Canelo and his camp chooses GGG at that time and then Charlo disappearing in the shadows.
The assessment of a Charlo victory is just too hard to imagine now that he has become inactive. Jermall would have had a better chance a few years ago when he was active. I did not mind his so-called personal reasons that made him inactive. Who cares, he was given VIP treatment by the WBC anyways.
I think everyone is in the majority here that it's hard to see Charlo after a long hiatus suddenly becomes the stronger fighter at a weight class that Canelo has been dominating for years and beat Canelo at his own game. Corrupt WBC, what else?
June 30, 2023, 09:02:45 PM
So yeah, pretty much at 168 lbs Canelo Alvarez is unbeatable, the closest fighter to beat him is GGG on their first fight. Charlo might be good at 160 lbs, but this is a new territory for him and we have to question his power if he still has at super middleweight.
Not only his power but also his quickness. You are right, Canelo has been dominating in this weight class, so it's hard to expect him to lose here. Maybe after this fight, we will witness another knockout win from Canelo, further boosting his reputation. This makes me wonder what's next for him. Will he stay in his current weight class or move up to finally challenge Bivol again?If we look at his contract, it's a 3 fight deal with PBC, so as the news has reported it, it will be Charlo and then Benavidez or Morrell because that is the stable of PBC has as far as 168 lbs goes.
Bivol is on the other side with Eddie Hearn, so I'm not seeing Canelo fighting him, unless he has served that 3 fight with PBC and then sign back with Eddie Hearn and Matchroom just for Canelo to get avenge his defeat to Bivol.
June 30, 2023, 08:45:19 AM
I did not mind his so-called personal reasons that made him inactive. Who cares, he was given VIP treatment by the WBC anyways.
The VIP treatment will likely be gone once he experiences a defeat against one of the greatest boxers in the world. Canelo will make sure to secure an impressive win in this match. With his advantage of being the more active boxer and having established himself comfortably in this weight class, the chances of Jermall Charlo winning are slim. However, we can acknowledge that he does possess the skills of a boxer.There are many questions surrounding his inactivity, but if he manages to defeat Canelo, he can prove us wrong.
June 30, 2023, 08:33:05 AM
- I think Charlo will win there, because from what I can see if he is only Canelo in terms of stamina and skills of punches, this is just my assessment. Although most of this is Canelo's advantage, but for me I don't think so. We'll find out when they're in the ring.
Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.
Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.
Maybe you lack more assessment,
1. Charlo is 160 lbs as his best weight. They are going to fight at Canelo's best weight of 168 lbs. So think about it, Charlo needs to add additional 8 lbs in his frame.
2. Charlo has been inactive for more than 2 years because of mental issues.
I think it's important to factor this two if you are going to make your prediction in this fight.
Sometimes it's just easy to say things especially when there is nothing at stake. But maybe the guy already made a bet on Pussymall. No offense though, I just don't like how Jermall is calling up Canelo for years now yet he never even entertained a fight against Boo Boo and Benavidez which are easier to make.
The assessment of a Charlo victory is just too hard to imagine now that he has become inactive. Jermall would have had a better chance a few years ago when he was active. I did not mind his so-called personal reasons that made him inactive. Who cares, he was given VIP treatment by the WBC anyways.
June 30, 2023, 06:35:03 AM
So yeah, pretty much at 168 lbs Canelo Alvarez is unbeatable, the closest fighter to beat him is GGG on their first fight. Charlo might be good at 160 lbs, but this is a new territory for him and we have to question his power if he still has at super middleweight.
Not only his power but also his quickness. You are right, Canelo has been dominating in this weight class, so it's hard to expect him to lose here. Maybe after this fight, we will witness another knockout win from Canelo, further boosting his reputation. This makes me wonder what's next for him. Will he stay in his current weight class or move up to finally challenge Bivol again? June 30, 2023, 06:30:15 AM
I can assume he is a huge Charlo fan and blindly believe in his victory, but I see nobody who can beat Canelo in middleweight or super middleweight divisions today. His opponent can only rely on a lucky punch, which they would get if Canelo would be to much into playing with his opponent. But, as Canelo stays concentrated all the time, the only chance his opponents have is to catch him on counter punching.
It's obvious that this is the best weight for Canelo, he once go up to 175 lbs and beat an old champion, but when he tried to fight a young and fresh legs in Bivol, he lost. So he goes down to 168 lbs and finished the trilogy with GGG in which he won soundly. And then John Ryder a couple of months ago, a tune up fight coming from injuries and still he won despite the valiant effort of Ryder.
So yeah, pretty much at 168 lbs Canelo Alvarez is unbeatable, the closest fighter to beat him is GGG on their first fight. Charlo might be good at 160 lbs, but this is a new territory for him and we have to question his power if he still has at super middleweight.
June 30, 2023, 06:28:36 AM
I have never seen in my entire MMA and boxing observation life, that a fighter, who isnt much unique, came from such a pause and had a victory over the best boxer of division.
That's really true. Maybe the chance of Charlo winning this fight is very slim. He took this big fight because it's an opportunity for him to earn more money. But hopefully, he will not be punished by his decision, because instead of having a tune-up fight in his comeback, he directly challenged Canelo, who is in his dominant division.
June 30, 2023, 03:21:53 AM
I can assume he is a huge Charlo fan and blindly believe in his victory, ...
LOL! That's too much, man. Just because Canelo is very popular and everyone believes he is going to win doesn't mean a bettor who bets on Charlo is blindly betting on him. What would you say if it turns out Jermall Charlo wins the fight? What I'm trying to say is that in boxing or any form of sports, upsets do happen, so we cannot jump to conclusions.If Jermall Charlo wins, I am gonna take my words back and apologize to Mr. Magkaisa for making fun of him. Would gladly hear from him why he thinks that Charlo has more stamina and skills. I just dont get how he come to conclusion that Charlo is better if he wasnt inactive, and boxing does not stand on one place. I have never seen in my entire MMA and boxing observation life, that a fighter, who isnt much unique, came from such a pause and had a victory over the best boxer of division.
June 30, 2023, 03:04:54 AM
I can assume he is a huge Charlo fan and blindly believe in his victory, ...
LOL! That's too much, man. Just because Canelo is very popular and everyone believes he is going to win doesn't mean a bettor who bets on Charlo is blindly betting on him. What would you say if it turns out Jermall Charlo wins the fight? What I'm trying to say is that in boxing or any form of sports, upsets do happen, so we cannot jump to conclusions. 
June 30, 2023, 02:47:49 AM
- I think Charlo will win there, because from what I can see if he is only Canelo in terms of stamina and skills of punches, this is just my assessment. Although most of this is Canelo's advantage, but for me I don't think so. We'll find out when they're in the ring.
Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.
Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.
Are you from this planet or just trolling us? If you think that Charlo has advantage in stamina and boxing skills, then what can you say about his 2 year pause, while Canelo boxed best of the best during these two years? Dont forget that Charlo will be in 168 for the first time in his career, while Canelo feels in 168 like fish in water. If you so sure in your prediction, will you place money on Charlo?
He has his own perception about this fight, and it seems that only a few people believe that Charlo would win, as reflected in the betting odds for this particular fight. If he thinks Charlo will win, then that's his personal opinion. However, even if we strongly favor Canelo in this matchup, we cannot guarantee his victory.
We never know
quite a lot of upsets happened this year and I will not be surprised if there is any of that in this fight.But as per speculations are concerned, it's hard to deny that Canelo got the advantages and let's not forget as well that the fight will contested in Canelo's comfortable division plus there is this huge factor where Charlo didn't had any fights in the last two years which could likely result in a ring rust. In simple terms, it will be hard to bet against the undisputed champion who owns the division.
June 30, 2023, 02:32:08 AM
I can assume he is a huge Charlo fan and blindly believe in his victory, but I see nobody who can beat Canelo in middleweight or super middleweight divisions today. His opponent can only rely on a lucky punch, which they would get if Canelo would be to much into playing with his opponent. But, as Canelo stays concentrated all the time, the only chance his opponents have is to catch him on counter punching.
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