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There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.

This fight will present another challenge to Canelo's wrist but I'm thinking that he will carry this disadvantage throughout the end of his career because somehow, we can assume that he's already at sundown plus there's a wear and tear that will be a factor in the healing process of Canelo's wrist as he's also aging already.

It could be a big factor as you have said, his wrist might not have been fully healed or they rushed things up so that they can set up a fight with Ryder. Unfortunately, the result is not good for the boxing fans, although Canelo wins.

We all know that Charlo is not a pushover either even if he was inactive for almost two years because during his good years, he was a very impressive boxer in his division.

Yes, but the ring rust though, it's two years plus it is reported that Charlo has a mental problem and that's why he was laying off for a long time. I think it will definitely affect him and then he should also need to get back in shape and add 8 lbs on his frame.

It's not common for African-American to have mental problems, it's not their thing. They'd rather beat someone on the street than deal with mental stuff.  Getting crazy is not their thing.
It is true however that Charlo has less chance of winning against Alvarez. A bad combination that he is adding weight and has not fought for years.

It's interesting for Canelo to sign on Premier Boxing deal for 3 fights yet no Bivol is included in it.  Giving up or he will just wait til Bivol loses against Beiv fight which negotiation for a rematch will be easier.

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There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.

This fight will present another challenge to Canelo's wrist but I'm thinking that he will carry this disadvantage throughout the end of his career because somehow, we can assume that he's already at sundown plus there's a wear and tear that will be a factor in the healing process of Canelo's wrist as he's also aging already.

It could be a big factor as you have said, his wrist might not have been fully healed or they rushed things up so that they can set up a fight with Ryder. Unfortunately, the result is not good for the boxing fans, although Canelo wins.

We all know that Charlo is not a pushover either even if he was inactive for almost two years because during his good years, he was a very impressive boxer in his division.

Yes, but the ring rust though, it's two years plus it is reported that Charlo has a mental problem and that's why he was laying off for a long time. I think it will definitely affect him and then he should also need to get back in shape and add 8 lbs on his frame.
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There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.

This fight will present another challenge to Canelo's wrist but I'm thinking that he will carry this disadvantage throughout the end of his career because somehow, we can assume that he's already at sundown plus there's a wear and tear that will be a factor in the healing process of Canelo's wrist as he's also aging already.

We all know that Charlo is not a pushover either even if he was inactive for almost two years because during his good years, he was a very impressive boxer in his division.
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There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.
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No odds yet since the fight is rumored to be scheduled on September, nevertheless, Canelo is the favorite here and ML might not be attractive. And so if we want to bet then we should look for other options, at least a good return to us and worth the money.

There's no official betting odds but we can see some odds from https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/boxing/opening-odds-canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-fight-september-16th-2023/

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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

That's a reasonable assessment. Canelo is currently the favorite due to his established status, so it's not surprising. It presents another test for bettors who must decide whether to place their trust in Canelo's continued dominance and bet on his odds or consider his opponent, a rising star in boxing.

Personally, I have a feeling that this fight won't go the distance of 12 rounds. Given the aggressive nature of both boxers, an early knockout is quite possible.
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That is not the fight boxing fans expect, that is the fight Canelo fans expect. They dont care who his opponent is, all they care is another +1 in his record. I highly doubt that Charlo has been training secretly for last two years and invented a new hidden punch. Canelo needs this fight to have a dominating win after a loss to Bivol. He tried to recover reputation with Ryder, but he gave him a proper fight.

If this fight happens like 3 years ago, then maybe Charlo have a chance, but it's slim with his version though. He might be doing some light trainings during the time that he is out, but I guess it's not enough to beat a version of Canelo, although we have seen Canelo declining like in the Ryder right.

Charlo though is the real winner because Canelo chooses PBC now, imagine being inactive but then again, since he was maybe a favorite of Al Haymon, he was given a chance to fight the cash cow, so money for him is on the table and maybe if he lost here, then go back to his semi retirement.

I guess both boxers don't have anything to lose especially Canelo as it will be not his first time to lose in a fight but it's kind of questionable if it will happen because the fight will be contested at super-middle where he practically owns the division. While Charlo here, don't know what's up with him for choosing Canelo in his return, but just like Canelo, he doesn't have anything to lose because his days are considered over already as two years is quite a long time.
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No odds yet since the fight is rumored to be scheduled on September, nevertheless, Canelo is the favorite here and ML might not be attractive. And so if we want to bet then we should look for other options, at least a good return to us and worth the money.

There's no official betting odds but we can see some odds from https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/boxing/opening-odds-canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-fight-september-16th-2023/

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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.
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It should've been David Benavidez.
Well, Canelo Alvarez's camp wins. I don't think they want their boxer to be on the brink of losing so they will go for a smaller guy who will try and increase his weight and then go slower. Which I think will be a match for Canelo.
I was waiting for them to say it will be up against Benavidez because I thought Canelo's camp will be forced to do it after they knew that they could not get a rematch from Bivol and before the WBC title is stripped from him.

On the other hand, it was also reported that Benavidez has sign a 3 fight contract with PBC, so eventually I think they are in a collision course later. For sure this is the target of Benavidez as well so Canelo can't go and hide on his excuses anymore. Unless he doesnt' want to fight David and chooses other fighters in the stable of PBC.

Here it goes, I just wish this will be an exciting fight. I guess I will be forced to bet for Canelo here as Jermall Charlo will need to gain weight while he is training which I think will be a hard task. If it's Benavidez, then I might bet for him.

No odds yet since the fight is rumored to be scheduled on September, nevertheless, Canelo is the favorite here and ML might not be attractive. And so if we want to bet then we should look for other options, at least a good return to us and worth the money.
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That is not the fight boxing fans expect, that is the fight Canelo fans expect. They dont care who his opponent is, all they care is another +1 in his record. I highly doubt that Charlo has been training secretly for last two years and invented a new hidden punch. Canelo needs this fight to have a dominating win after a loss to Bivol. He tried to recover reputation with Ryder, but he gave him a proper fight.

If this fight happens like 3 years ago, then maybe Charlo have a chance, but it's slim with his version though. He might be doing some light trainings during the time that he is out, but I guess it's not enough to beat a version of Canelo, although we have seen Canelo declining like in the Ryder right.

Charlo though is the real winner because Canelo chooses PBC now, imagine being inactive but then again, since he was maybe a favorite of Al Haymon, he was given a chance to fight the cash cow, so money for him is on the table and maybe if he lost here, then go back to his semi retirement.
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That is not the fight boxing fans expect, that is the fight Canelo fans expect. They dont care who his opponent is, all they care is another +1 in his record. I highly doubt that Charlo has been training secretly for last two years and invented a new hidden punch. Canelo needs this fight to have a dominating win after a loss to Bivol. He tried to recover reputation with Ryder, but he gave him a proper fight.
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It should've been David Benavidez.
Well, Canelo Alvarez's camp wins. I don't think they want their boxer to be on the brink of losing so they will go for a smaller guy who will try and increase his weight and then go slower. Which I think will be a match for Canelo.
I was waiting for them to say it will be up against Benavidez because I thought Canelo's camp will be forced to do it after they knew that they could not get a rematch from Bivol and before the WBC title is stripped from him.

Here it goes, I just wish this will be an exciting fight. I guess I will be forced to bet for Canelo here as Jermall Charlo will need to gain weight while he is training which I think will be a hard task. If it's Benavidez, then I might bet for him.
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The biggest question right now and I'm sure will be asked in the press conference is why a fighter like Canelo is in his comeback fight, I know Jermall is good but even a great fighter will have a hard time dealing with ring rust, two years is enough to consider it like retirement, unless he is not stopping his training and does sparring at least 2 weeks in a month.

As per the news, Canelo's fight against Charlo is part of the three-fight deal with Premier Boxing Champions:

- against Jermall Charlo
- against David Benavidez*
- against David Morrel Jr.*

After Charlo, Canelo is supposed to fight again in May and September 2024. For some analysts, Canelo might have been offered a big paycheck for accepting this deal as it's risky for the "cash cow" to just accept fights, and generally, the usually followed timeline for Canelo is at least 1 fight per year.

*still undetermined

Ok, make sense, I thought that Canelo is going to re-sign with MatchRoom, so it seems that he moves to PBC and Al Haymon and have this 3 fights. So it also means that there will be no rematch to Bivol as he is with Eddie Hearn and MR, although if I'm not mistaken, PBC has also a deal with DAZN?

And so it was Charlo who will get the first crack at Canelo as a debut for him being in the PBC. But again, he has been criticized for choosing Charlo but it's a business move as he is now under Al Haymon. And now Bivol has no dance partner and could be just waiting for the mandatory fighter for his belt, or choose to go after Beterviev.
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Canelo is not undefeated, so it's likely that Charlo's camp is already studying and experimenting to identify Canelo's weaknesses. However, it's important to note that it's easier said than done. While Canelo has experienced two losses in his career, it does suggest that defeating him is not impossible.

By the way, have the betting odds for this fight been released already?
I doubt Charlo has a good chance to beat Canelo, Charlo only fought once in the last 2 years and he need to fight Canelo, one of biggest boxers in this era.

I checked several sportsbooks and I don't find they included this fight, but I'm pretty sure Canelo will be heavy favorite. I think this fight isn't final yet as the venue and judges are still not announced.

I'm already expecting to read some statements like this whenever there are some who are questioning Canelo's current situation and chances after he had that surgery. The thing is, I'd be more glad if Canelo will be listed as the favorite or even a heavy-favorite because that means that betting on Charlo's favor will come with a high odds, which I think will happen because this is Canelo's division.
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So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.

What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?

https://www.insidesport.in/canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-boxing-clash-confirmed-for-september-16-ppv-service-and-more-info-revealed/

I do consider it a cherry pick. Charlo was a good fighter in his prime but never really reached the elite level. He's been inactive for 2 years now and will be fighting in a new weight class against Canelo.

David Benavidez is the opponent fans were hoping would face Canelo. He already earned the opportunity by becoming the interim champion but it seems that he is too much of a threat and wasn't even considered when Bivol and Badou Jack turned down offers from Canelo. There is no logical reason to choose a semi-retired fighter over Benavidez, but we've already become accustomed to Canelo picking and choosing the most beatable opponents.

Right, and the only fighter that went wrong with them is against Bivol, when they thought that they can beat the Russian. But Bivol was a different breed and was not affected by Canelo's skills or what not. He simply goes out there and fight his game and it could be the start of Canelo going downhill.

So Bivol declined their offer, they don't talk about the next Mexican warrior in Benadivez.

And then we are surprised to see them picking a inactive fighter and not a natural super middleweight.
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So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.

What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?

https://www.insidesport.in/canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-boxing-clash-confirmed-for-september-16-ppv-service-and-more-info-revealed/

I do consider it a cherry pick. Charlo was a good fighter in his prime but never really reached the elite level. He's been inactive for 2 years now and will be fighting in a new weight class against Canelo.

David Benavidez is the opponent fans were hoping would face Canelo. He already earned the opportunity by becoming the interim champion but it seems that he is too much of a threat and wasn't even considered when Bivol and Badou Jack turned down offers from Canelo. There is no logical reason to choose a semi-retired fighter over Benavidez, but we've already become accustomed to Canelo picking and choosing the most beatable opponents.
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The biggest question right now and I'm sure will be asked in the press conference is why a fighter like Canelo is in his comeback fight, I know Jermall is good but even a great fighter will have a hard time dealing with ring rust, two years is enough to consider it like retirement, unless he is not stopping his training and does sparring at least 2 weeks in a month.

As per the news, Canelo's fight against Charlo is part of the three-fight deal with Premier Boxing Champions:

- against Jermall Charlo
- against David Benavidez*
- against David Morrel Jr.*

After Charlo, Canelo is supposed to fight again in May and September 2024. For some analysts, Canelo might have been offered a big paycheck for accepting this deal as it's risky for the "cash cow" to just accept fights, and generally, the usually followed timeline for Canelo is at least 1 fight per year.

*still undetermined
I thought that Morrell is going to fight Benavidez next, but we haven't heard any news yet and if I'm not mistaken, I read that the fight is not going to happen. It could be a sort of eliminator as they are all looking to fight Canelo.

Nevertheless, if this is the 3 fight deal then only David Benavidez is a good fight for Canelo in my opinion. As you can see in the comments here, fighting Charlo who is inactive, and then Morrell who might be good in paper, but the fight might not be a good one for Canelo's legacy. So it's either Bivol or David Benavidez could really cemented Canelo as the one of the best in this generation.
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This is a good fight for Canelo as he seeks to face well-known boxers. Jermall Charlo, being a popular middleweight boxer, makes for an exciting opponent. While Canelo may not be considering moving up in weight, he consistently provides entertaining fights by not choosing lesser-known boxers.

Jermall Charlo currently maintains an undefeated record with 22 knockout wins in 32 fights, showcasing a strong track record. I believe he will present a tough challenge for Canelo.

@bisdak40, if there's a poll it would be better.

He is still a lesser known opponents in my opinion, so I disagree with you. You can go to social media and there are fans not approving this fight. I do hope that you understand that Charlo is a 168 lbs fighter? and he has been inactive for the last 2 years because of personal reasons?

Records could be deceiving as well yeah 22 knockouts, but he is going to add up additional 8 lbs just to make the weight. And as he is inactive, he might have gain more already and needed to lose that pounds again. So it will be a big issue for Charlo here.
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The biggest question right now and I'm sure will be asked in the press conference is why a fighter like Canelo is in his comeback fight, I know Jermall is good but even a great fighter will have a hard time dealing with ring rust, two years is enough to consider it like retirement, unless he is not stopping his training and does sparring at least 2 weeks in a month.

As per the news, Canelo's fight against Charlo is part of the three-fight deal with Premier Boxing Champions:

- against Jermall Charlo
- against David Benavidez*
- against David Morrel Jr.*

After Charlo, Canelo is supposed to fight again in May and September 2024. For some analysts, Canelo might have been offered a big paycheck for accepting this deal as it's risky for the "cash cow" to just accept fights, and generally, the usually followed timeline for Canelo is at least 1 fight per year.

*still undetermined
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Canelo is not undefeated, so it's likely that Charlo's camp is already studying and experimenting to identify Canelo's weaknesses. However, it's important to note that it's easier said than done. While Canelo has experienced two losses in his career, it does suggest that defeating him is not impossible.

By the way, have the betting odds for this fight been released already?
I doubt Charlo has a good chance to beat Canelo, Charlo only fought once in the last 2 years and he need to fight Canelo, one of biggest boxers in this era.

I checked several sportsbooks and I don't find they included this fight, but I'm pretty sure Canelo will be heavy favorite. I think this fight isn't final yet as the venue and judges are still not announced.
This could be a big challenge for Carlo after being active for the past years, and fighting a big boxer on his return is not an easy one because Canelo are still fresh and hot from a big win on his previous fight. Canelo will be the favorite here and personally will look for a better odds to place a bet with him, this can still be an interesting match though.
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There's no odd yet if I'm not mistaken. But I do agree that Canelo will be a huge favorite again in this fight. Could be like the Ryder fight as per odds. But in any case, I don't see this fight as hype though, I mean Canelo could be still be the cash cow, but fighting a boxer who has been on almost retiring and very inactive for many years? what gives?

Why Canelo camp chooses Jermall Charlo when they can have Bivol or Benavidez? Is this just one of those cherry pick fight for Alvarez? Or this is going to be the norm for him as he is now on a decline?

Canelo was something like 1.04 to beat Ryder. The odds won’t be anywhere close to that for this fight with Charlo.
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