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So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.

What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?

https://www.insidesport.in/canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-boxing-clash-confirmed-for-september-16-ppv-service-and-more-info-revealed/
Alvarez is for this fight , he will certainly win against  Charlo that has a long period of no going up in the ring , yeah given that he consistently training even without a fight yet ? the momentum will always go for those boxers that continuously fighting yearly or more .
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All that talks about Canelo ducking Benavidez and Charlo for years by preferring to stay with DAZN. Canelo did mention before that instead of waiting for him to fight Benavidez and Charlo, why not both fighters fight each other while he is consuming his contract with Matchroom? Both Charlo and Benavidez did not face each other even if they are in the same promotion and network. So it seems like everybody becomes a duck when they become the A-side or when they have something to milk like a championship belt.

That's the sad reality, though. Accusations are being thrown around between fighters, but in truth, they are just playing the game to generate money. Nowadays, there are no genuine boxers who fight for pride. The boxing world has become less exciting, and although we complain, we still end up watching because we feel we have no other choice.
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...And I thought that Morrell vs Benavidez is done deal, perhaps Benavidez waiting for the result of this fight and he could be next in line for Canelo next year in Cinco de Mayo, two Mexicans on their holiday week, gonna be huge.

Yes, it really looked like Morrell vs Benavidez is a done deal as even PBC or Showtime IIRC posted it. In the past, I believe that Benavidez is the only one that is willing to face anybody. It's funny though, Benavidez literally ducked Morrell upon knowing Canelo is signed with PBC. So what is Benavidez doing in nearly a year? His nearest date for Canelo is Cinco De Mayo weekend. He needs 1 or 2 fights prior to that. So is Benavidez going to stay inactive or cherry-pick weaker oppositions to preserve his big-money fight with Canelo?

All that talks about Canelo ducking Benavidez and Charlo for years by preferring to stay with DAZN. Canelo did mention before that instead of waiting for him to fight Benavidez and Charlo, why not both fighters fight each other while he is consuming his contract with Matchroom? Both Charlo and Benavidez did not face each other even if they are in the same promotion and network. So it seems like everybody becomes a duck when they become the A-side or when they have something to milk like a championship belt.

I don't know if Charlo did have the chance to fight Benavidez as David might be campaigning at 160 lbs and we all know that he has some issues with drugs and lost his belt that way. And then Charlo becoming inactive and then Benavidez get his shit together and now becoming one of the best fighter that might challenge Canelo in the future.

But if the fight against Morell is not going to materialized then I guess his career will be frozen waiting for the Canelo vs Charlo outcome.

So him and his father better be accepting the fight with Morrell to keep them busy instead of going inactive as this could be a excuse if they lost to a not so prime Canelo.
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...And I thought that Morrell vs Benavidez is done deal, perhaps Benavidez waiting for the result of this fight and he could be next in line for Canelo next year in Cinco de Mayo, two Mexicans on their holiday week, gonna be huge.

Yes, it really looked like Morrell vs Benavidez is a done deal as even PBC or Showtime IIRC posted it. In the past, I believe that Benavidez is the only one that is willing to face anybody. It's funny though, Benavidez literally ducked Morrell upon knowing Canelo is signed with PBC. So what is Benavidez doing in nearly a year? His nearest date for Canelo is Cinco De Mayo weekend. He needs 1 or 2 fights prior to that. So is Benavidez going to stay inactive or cherry-pick weaker oppositions to preserve his big-money fight with Canelo?

All that talks about Canelo ducking Benavidez and Charlo for years by preferring to stay with DAZN. Canelo did mention before that instead of waiting for him to fight Benavidez and Charlo, why not both fighters fight each other while he is consuming his contract with Matchroom? Both Charlo and Benavidez did not face each other even if they are in the same promotion and network. So it seems like everybody becomes a duck when they become the A-side or when they have something to milk like a championship belt.
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Finally, the dream fight of pussymall Charlo comes into reality. Bad timing though as Canelo caught him inactive. But this fight is the main reason why Mall is either cherry-picking or just staying inactive to preserve his 0 which is as always attractive to Canelo.

It's crazy how Moneyricio Sulaiman is not stripping the WBC belt but most likely that his organization is being paid by PBC to treat them beyond its rules.

Anyways, I would love to see Cownelo butchering Charlo into oblivion. But maybe Canelo is not the same anymore so I just voted for him to win by decision. Rumors by the way that Canelo signed a 3-fight deal with PBC are circulating. So most likely 2 more fights in 2024's Cinco De Mayo weekend and Mexico's independence day weekend in September. So this deal is probably the reason why Benavidez opted not to face the undefeated Cuban David Morrell as it might be too risky.

Sad but true mate, corrupt Sulaiman under the WBC for decades now, and perhaps they really ruin this organization when father and son takes over.

Yeah, most likely May and Sept are reserved again for the Mexican cash cow, so Sept for Charlo, big fight for him, money is going on his side despite him not being stripped by the WBC of his belt.

And I thought that Morrell vs Benavidez is done deal, perhaps Benavidez waiting for the result of this fight and he could be next in line for Canelo next year in Cinco de Mayo, two Mexicans on their holiday week, gonna be huge.
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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.


If you are aiming to make a huge win, Charlo would be a good choice. The likelihood of him winning however is less 50%. Risk is a risk.
If you have to bet for Canelo for a bigger win, choosing which round where the fight might be stopped or Charlo gets KOed is an option. It's possible on the 5th. It would surprise me if Charlo lasts 5th round. 

A long wait for Bivol's rematch since he has to finish that PBC contract til Benavidez. Benavidez is still a good match for him.

The Bivol rematch might happen next year or maybe we will not see that happening at all as Canelo is with PBC now. Bivol is with Eddie Hearn and Match room so I doubt that they are going to work out as Canelo's contract with PBC is exclusive for a 3 fight deal.

I wouldn't go and bet for Charlo to win though, as discussed, long lay-offs and then he going up in weight.

Might be interesting if he can last the full 12 rounds as that could be a good odds.

That was an unexpected news because I thought that Canelo Alvarez was already good under Eddie Hearn's banner, but it seems to me that it wasn't the case because he is now with PBC. Quite interesting, honestly, because I'm seriously thinking that Canelo and his team is aiming something that only PBC can do and achieve that for him, and not Eddie Hearn. We know that PBC got a good relationship with the judge's and sanctioning bodies, so that might be the reason or something that is more interesting.

For sure, that is what we know because that is what they want for us to know but somehow, I like to think that it is safe to say that they are cooking something behind the curtain hence the sudden climb made by Canelo himself.

Too soon to think about that because we now have something on our plate, so it's best to focus on what we have as it is likely that Canelo will still pursue Bivol after his fight with Charlo, regardless of the result.
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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.


Yes it is a good chance to win this fight I think it is a good number for us to bet in this match.
This match will definitely be fierce, I'm starting to think about trying to enter the stakes in the duel this time.
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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.


If you are aiming to make a huge win, Charlo would be a good choice. The likelihood of him winning however is less 50%. Risk is a risk.
If you have to bet for Canelo for a bigger win, choosing which round where the fight might be stopped or Charlo gets KOed is an option. It's possible on the 5th. It would surprise me if Charlo lasts 5th round. 

A long wait for Bivol's rematch since he has to finish that PBC contract til Benavidez. Benavidez is still a good match for him.

The Bivol rematch might happen next year or maybe we will not see that happening at all as Canelo is with PBC now. Bivol is with Eddie Hearn and Match room so I doubt that they are going to work out as Canelo's contract with PBC is exclusive for a 3 fight deal.

I wouldn't go and bet for Charlo to win though, as discussed, long lay-offs and then he going up in weight.

Might be interesting if he can last the full 12 rounds as that could be a good odds.

That was an unexpected news because I thought that Canelo Alvarez was already good under Eddie Hearn's banner, but it seems to me that it wasn't the case because he is now with PBC. Quite interesting, honestly, because I'm seriously thinking that Canelo and his team is aiming something that only PBC can do and achieve that for him, and not Eddie Hearn. We know that PBC got a good relationship with the judge's and sanctioning bodies, so that might be the reason or something that is more interesting.
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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.


If you are aiming to make a huge win, Charlo would be a good choice. The likelihood of him winning however is less 50%. Risk is a risk.
If you have to bet for Canelo for a bigger win, choosing which round where the fight might be stopped or Charlo gets KOed is an option. It's possible on the 5th. It would surprise me if Charlo lasts 5th round. 

A long wait for Bivol's rematch since he has to finish that PBC contract til Benavidez. Benavidez is still a good match for him.

The Bivol rematch might happen next year or maybe we will not see that happening at all as Canelo is with PBC now. Bivol is with Eddie Hearn and Match room so I doubt that they are going to work out as Canelo's contract with PBC is exclusive for a 3 fight deal.

I wouldn't go and bet for Charlo to win though, as discussed, long lay-offs and then he going up in weight.

Might be interesting if he can last the full 12 rounds as that could be a good odds.
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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.


If you are aiming to make a huge win, Charlo would be a good choice. The likelihood of him winning however is less 50%. Risk is a risk.
If you have to bet for Canelo for a bigger win, choosing which round where the fight might be stopped or Charlo gets KOed is an option. It's possible on the 5th. It would surprise me if Charlo lasts 5th round. 

A long wait for Bivol's rematch since he has to finish that PBC contract til Benavidez. Benavidez is still a good match for him.
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There's no official betting odds but we can see some odds from https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/boxing/opening-odds-canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-fight-september-16th-2023/

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Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Odds
Fighter   Odds
Canelo Alvarez   -240
Jermall Charlo   +182

As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.

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Finally, the dream fight of pussymall Charlo comes into reality. Bad timing though as Canelo caught him inactive. But this fight is the main reason why Mall is either cherry-picking or just staying inactive to preserve his 0 which is as always attractive to Canelo.

It's crazy how Moneyricio Sulaiman is not stripping the WBC belt but most likely that his organization is being paid by PBC to treat them beyond its rules.

Anyways, I would love to see Cownelo butchering Charlo into oblivion. But maybe Canelo is not the same anymore so I just voted for him to win by decision. Rumors by the way that Canelo signed a 3-fight deal with PBC are circulating. So most likely 2 more fights in 2024's Cinco De Mayo weekend and Mexico's independence day weekend in September. So this deal is probably the reason why Benavidez opted not to face the undefeated Cuban David Morrell as it might be too risky.
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It just got me thinking though, perhaps this case can't be applied to Jermall Charlo as he is inactive and not a natural Super Middleweight contender. But if John Ryder can last 12 full rounds against Canelo, what will happen if Alvarez faces a young fighter in Benavidez? Is this the reason why they didn't choose him in the first place and take a easy fight in Charlo?

But the thing is, he signs with PBC and sooner or later Canelo will have to dance with Benavidez, but it might be too late for Canelo as he might not be in the same shape as he is years ago.

It's only Benavidez that is worth noting in that 3 fight deal with PBC. And just like in the GGG fight wherein GGG have to sign with DAZN and chase Canelo, this might be the case here as Canelo has no more excuse not to fight the young Mexican.

So maybe David will be the last of the 3 fight deal. At least it is good for Canelo and we don't know if he is going to continue with his legacy and fight other big names or rematch Bivol later after his PBC stint.
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It just got me thinking though, perhaps this case can't be applied to Jermall Charlo as he is inactive and not a natural Super Middleweight contender. But if John Ryder can last 12 full rounds against Canelo, what will happen if Alvarez faces a young fighter in Benavidez? Is this the reason why they didn't choose him in the first place and take a easy fight in Charlo?
Most probably because Charlo is inactive, yet he has a popular name, so Canelo would still be able to ensure that the fight will sell. It will be an easy route for him to win and earn a lot of money. Slowly, Canelo has become less exciting to watch due to the fighters he chooses, unlike before when he would willingly take risks against champions.

But the thing is, he signs with PBC and sooner or later Canelo will have to dance with Benavidez, but it might be too late for Canelo as he might not be in the same shape as he is years ago.
I don't care about the outcome of the fight, but I would truly admire Canelo if he were to fight Benavidez and give the fans what they deserve.
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It just got me thinking though, perhaps this case can't be applied to Jermall Charlo as he is inactive and not a natural Super Middleweight contender. But if John Ryder can last 12 full rounds against Canelo, what will happen if Alvarez faces a young fighter in Benavidez? Is this the reason why they didn't choose him in the first place and take a easy fight in Charlo?

But the thing is, he signs with PBC and sooner or later Canelo will have to dance with Benavidez, but it might be too late for Canelo as he might not be in the same shape as he is years ago.
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There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.

This fight will present another challenge to Canelo's wrist but I'm thinking that he will carry this disadvantage throughout the end of his career because somehow, we can assume that he's already at sundown plus there's a wear and tear that will be a factor in the healing process of Canelo's wrist as he's also aging already.

It could be a big factor as you have said, his wrist might not have been fully healed or they rushed things up so that they can set up a fight with Ryder. Unfortunately, the result is not good for the boxing fans, although Canelo wins.

We all know that Charlo is not a pushover either even if he was inactive for almost two years because during his good years, he was a very impressive boxer in his division.

Yes, but the ring rust though, it's two years plus it is reported that Charlo has a mental problem and that's why he was laying off for a long time. I think it will definitely affect him and then he should also need to get back in shape and add 8 lbs on his frame.

Needless to say, both boxers have their own disadvantages and problems that makes the win quite blurry as of the moment, and I can say that it is going to be a tough fight for both boxers because of that. Moreover, I see no advantage about this fight either except for Canelo's evident factor that he will get some help once the fight goes to the judge's hand mainly if the fight seems too tight.
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So if I were to take into consideration that Jermall is inactive for more than 2 years before fighting Canelo, that he has just faced mental health problems, that he's moving up in weight class probably because of all those years of inactivity, I'd totally understand that this early Canelo is 1.42 favorite while Charlo is 2.82 underdog.

He was inactive for a while, and that was a weakness he had in this fight. Now, he has suddenly come back, but instead of choosing a tune-up fight, he is directly fighting Canelo, whom the latter loves because it's an easy fight for him. The odds are clear, and fans believe he will lose. However, hopefully, he won't just lose without putting up a fight. After all, he has an undefeated record and this is the biggest fight of his career, so he should not waste this opportunity.

He will definitely put up a fight here, but I doubt that it will be enough to even beat a version of Canelo who might be in the sunset of his career. If Charlo is active though it might be a different story. But we have seen boxers who hasn't been in the square arena fighting after many years of layoff just losing even though they are great before. He is just lucky that he was given this fight by PBC and for Canelo this is going to be easy for them. He might be good for at least 4 rounds before Canelo stepping up and giving a hard time for Charlo.
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So if I were to take into consideration that Jermall is inactive for more than 2 years before fighting Canelo, that he has just faced mental health problems, that he's moving up in weight class probably because of all those years of inactivity, I'd totally understand that this early Canelo is 1.42 favorite while Charlo is 2.82 underdog.

He was inactive for a while, and that was a weakness he had in this fight. Now, he has suddenly come back, but instead of choosing a tune-up fight, he is directly fighting Canelo, whom the latter loves because it's an easy fight for him. The odds are clear, and fans believe he will lose. However, hopefully, he won't just lose without putting up a fight. After all, he has an undefeated record and this is the biggest fight of his career, so he should not waste this opportunity.
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Jermall Charlo may be a good and powerful boxer, but I think Canelo will easily dismantle him in this fight. Like other matches such as the Davis-Garcia fight, this match may only be exciting if we look at the plain numbers or their records and accomplishments. But if we take a closer look at each one of them, it may not be a good match.

When Charlo defended his title against a nobody in Montiel and only got a UD, it spoke a lot. That was way back June of 2021. From that time on, Jermall was nowhere to be found. He wasn't fighting in the ring anymore. We learned that he was fighting another battle: mental health.

So if I were to take into consideration that Jermall is inactive for more than 2 years before fighting Canelo, that he has just faced mental health problems, that he's moving up in weight class probably because of all those years of inactivity, I'd totally understand that this early Canelo is 1.42 favorite while Charlo is 2.82 underdog.
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There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.

This fight will present another challenge to Canelo's wrist but I'm thinking that he will carry this disadvantage throughout the end of his career because somehow, we can assume that he's already at sundown plus there's a wear and tear that will be a factor in the healing process of Canelo's wrist as he's also aging already.

It could be a big factor as you have said, his wrist might not have been fully healed or they rushed things up so that they can set up a fight with Ryder. Unfortunately, the result is not good for the boxing fans, although Canelo wins.

We all know that Charlo is not a pushover either even if he was inactive for almost two years because during his good years, he was a very impressive boxer in his division.

Yes, but the ring rust though, it's two years plus it is reported that Charlo has a mental problem and that's why he was laying off for a long time. I think it will definitely affect him and then he should also need to get back in shape and add 8 lbs on his frame.

It's not common for African-American to have mental problems, it's not their thing. They'd rather beat someone on the street than deal with mental stuff.  Getting crazy is not their thing.
It is true however that Charlo has less chance of winning against Alvarez. A bad combination that he is adding weight and has not fought for years.

It's interesting for Canelo to sign on Premier Boxing deal for 3 fights yet no Bivol is included in it.  Giving up or he will just wait til Bivol loses against Beiv fight which negotiation for a rematch will be easier.

I can't remember though, maybe it was Alvarez who has started signing just 3 fight deals moving forward. Maybe he learned it the hard way when he wanted to get out of the GBP contract, it was ugly on either side. Then he goes to Eddie Hearn, now with PBC.

As for the mental problems, if will hit anyone, specially sports athlete as they are always in the lime light, both men and women.

It's just the question on how you will overcome it. Like Ryan Garcia has several tune up fights to bring back his confidence. But in Charlo's case, it's different, his comeback is against Canelo Alvarez and that's why majority of the boxing fans are not giving him chance to win in this fight.
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