Topic: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermall Charlo Super Middleweight (September 16) - page 2. (Read 663 times)

Lol, I don't want to said it, but yeah, seems to be that way or he doesn't know his boxing (no offense though).

But whatever he feels to put his money on Charlo then why not? it's his money by the way and we can't take that from him and risk it to Charlo. But if you have been following the sports, then as good as Charlo is at 160 during his reign and he still has the belt because organization refuse to strip him the belt despite being inactive, we doubt that he will have a higher chance of defeating Alvarez even if this version of Canelo have somewhat seen better days.

Yeah, he can do that by all means, bet on Charlo if he thinks that he is better than Canelo Alvarez, the current cash cow and in the pound for pound list.

We are just laying the grounds for what we think might be the factor why Charlo can't beat Canelo at this point. Charlo is away from the sports so his stamina and even his boxing skills might be in question. And then he is fighting Canelo's best weight. Charlo has seen 168 lbs inside the ring. Maybe in his off season he might be carrying a full 168 lbs+, but it's different if you are training with that a lot of weight that your body is not accustomed to.

He has his own perception about this fight, and it seems that only a few people believe that Charlo would win, as reflected in the betting odds for this particular fight. If he thinks Charlo will win, then that's his personal opinion. However, even if we strongly favor Canelo in this matchup, we cannot guarantee his victory.

Are you from this planet or just trolling us? If you think that Charlo has advantage in stamina and boxing skills, then what can you say about his 2 year pause, while Canelo boxed best of the best during these two years? Dont forget that Charlo will be in 168 for the first time in his career, while Canelo feels in 168 like fish in water. If you so sure in your prediction, will you place money on Charlo?

It's a disappointing strategy, as it seems purely business-driven, with no intention to risk losing again. He is taking advantage of his current popularity and the potential for high pay-per-view sales. I hope Bivol continues to work hard and gain more popularity, so that eventually there will be no excuse for Canelo to deny Bivol a fair split.

And that is why we said that Canelo is ducking Bivol in the rematch, as they deceptively offer a unrealistic amount to Bivol and his camp and they know that they are not going to accept it.

Once it finalized, Canelo sign with PBC leaving Bivol matchup in the table. No 50/50 split of Bivol and then Canelo moving on with a fight against a inactive Charlo for the super Middleweight, very effective move by somewhat deceiving if you are going to look at it. Maybe Charlo is offered 20% here in this fight or just as high as 30% I reckon.

That's a bad move. Although Canelo is an attraction, it's important to show respect for Bivol, who is the champion and has already defeated him once. A 50/50 split would be reasonable and fair, considering Bivol's current status. Bivol's camp is not asking for a lot; they simply want a fair sharing based on his accomplishments.

That's what Canelo also said against GGG, that he will not give GGG a rematch. But when GGG went to DAZN and sign a contract, Canelo has no choice but to fight him. Same in the case with Benavidez now, Canelo signs a 3 fight deal with PBC and Showtime, so it means that they are not under Al Haymon and PBC. So I wouldn't be surprised that Benavidez is next after Charlo. So he can't hide from his reasons of "not fighting another Mexican".


According to Bivol's camp, they offered too low for their rematch, that's why it didn't happen. So first reason is money. Second, as I have stated, Bivol is with Matchroom and Eddie Hearn, and now Canelo is with PBC and Al Haymon. So we all know that most of the time, boxing politics hinders us boxing fans from seeing great fight and so we might not see a rematch anytime soon.

Maybe you lack more assessment,

1. Charlo is 160 lbs as his best weight. They are going to fight at Canelo's best weight of 168 lbs. So think about it, Charlo needs to add additional 8 lbs in his frame.
2. Charlo has been inactive for more than 2 years because of mental issues.

I think it's important to factor this two if you are going to make your prediction in this fight.

     -  I think Charlo will win there, because from what I can see if he is only Canelo in terms of stamina and skills of punches, this is just my assessment. Although most of this is Canelo's advantage, but for me I don't think so. We'll find out when they're in the ring.

Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.

Bivol also wanted a legacy on his own, to be a unified champion someday and he can do that on an easy path if he fight Canelo on 168lbs division, where Canelo reigned as the unified champion but i don't think that it would happen as Team Canelo is carefully planning its move as he is not getting younger anymore and losing the belts might have a negative impact on his career money-wise. A rematch with Bivol if would happen will be on the Russian's weight class as he has nothing to loss on path rather than the Russian going down in weight.

David Benavidez is not on Canelo's option as he is hiding behind the reason that there's no benefit for him if he will fight David, which is true, but considering that he's also fond in cleaning his own division, I cannot see any reason why he will not give David the chance and this governing bodies is not doing their job and give a mandatory fight as David is a WBC interim boxer.

For Bivol, I think Canelo is not after what Bivol is holding right now as a rematch is just a plain fight to redeem his loss and so it doesn't really matter if Bivol will lost the belt to Beterbiev or not. But as per Bivol's words, there will be no rematch unless Canelo wanted to take a risk and host the fight at his own division.

Perhaps there is no such thing as a lucky punch, considering that both fighters are professionals who have trained extensively to handle various situations. Some people claimed during the Pacman vs Marquez fight that Marquez's win against Pacquiao was due to a lucky punch, but many disagreed, believing it was part of the game plan.

Same here. I actually haven't checked the result yet, and just now I voted for Canelo to win by KO. However, the fact that the majority of the voters believe that Charlo will win is significant. This indicates that the fight is not going to be one-sided; instead, it will be fun to watch as a real competitive bout.


Why would you rely on luck? Charlo is a great fighter, perhaps not as popular as Canelo, but he remains undefeated. In my opinion, there is a chance that he could win this fight.

i was amazed by the votes as it favored Jermall Charlo?with all of our prediction and belief yet the votes goes in Charlo   is there any chance from a lucky punch of knockout that Jermall Charlo can beat Canelo Alvares?

because I doubt it.

We can say it like that, and that's why they low ball Bivol during their second negotiation because they knew they are going to decline that offer. And with that he decided to move to PBC and so he cut ties with Eddie Hearn so obviously no more Bivol fight as Hearn said that it's hard to negotiate that fight.

And with that, Bivol is now hanging, although he will have a good chance to have Beterbiev fight happening. But with all the bad blood between their respective managers, I doubt that this fight is going to happen. So we will see who's next to Bivol, as his career might be in limbo when they turn down that Canelo rematch.

Is Morell included in the three-fight contract that Eddie Hearn offered to Canelo? I thought the third one was Bivo lol. Anyways, if Bivol is excluded then that was good planning for Team Canelo as he got no chance of winning against a prime and younger Bivol.

If Bivol vs Beterbiev would happen and the latter will win, there's a chance that Canelo would take the risk as Beterbiev would be 42 years by that time  , that's how they do it.

Canelo is scared to fight with prime Bivol, so he avoid it and choose to fight with the opponents he think he will win e.g. Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez, and David Morrell. If the undisputed light heavyweight will happen e.g. Bivol vs Beterbiev, if Bivol win, Canelo will wait until he move to heavyweight or retire. But if Beterbiev win, I think Canelo will dare to fight with Bivol since both of them don't have any belt and the judges will favor on Canelo.

David Benavidez is at 168 just like Canelo while Charlo is the WBC champion at 160.

When Canelo became 168's undisputed after disposing of PBC's Caleb Plant, PBC/Showtime and Matchroom/DAZN were in a tug-of-war to get Canelo. Prior to Plant and after leaving GBP, Canelo wanted a per-fight basis contract so literally, he was a free agent although his next fights were with Matchroom and DAZN. Things became different when Canelo collected all the belts at 168. Both Matchroom/DAZN and PBC/Showtime offered 2-fight deals ranging from $80-$100 million in total. Matchroom/DAZN offered Bivol and GGG while PBC/Showtime offered Benavidez and Charlo.

Jermall Charlo actually keeps on calling Canelo prior to PBC's 2-fight deal offer. Can't blame him though, who would not like a shot at the biggest cash cow in boxing? Even Spence keeps on saying he wanted Canelo too although Jermall has a more realistic shot. Charlo was the WBC interim when Canelo has the real WBC belt during his 160 days. And they're only 1 division apart. Jermall, later on, started cherry-picking and staying inactive to preserve his 0 in order for his chances to remain alive in the Canelo lottery. I can't even remember Charlo calling David for a fight.

David Benavides is not so confident by canceling Morrell. If we're only for the money though, WBA interim, Morrell is a huge risk for Benavidez because it is obvious that he gets a Canelo shot if Charlo losses.  

If I'm the camp of David, better fight Morrell, at least he will eliminated another name that Canelo has to face in the future. And he can brag about it if he can knockout Morrell for good before Canelo can get to Morrell. He is still young though, but we prefer him to get busy. Or they can just cherry pick another opponent at 168 lbs just to get him the activity that he needed.


That's how good Canelo's handler is, they stay with DAZN and have one of the biggest fight in GGG. Now that it's done, they switches to Showtime and PBC and he will have another fight in Benavidez and Charlo.

Maybe another fight that slip away is the rematch with Bivol.