Topic: [Boxing] Casimero vs Oguni - October 12 - page 7. (Read 1947 times)

Whether we like it or not, there is bullshit politics in boxing  . Casimero is the number fighter out of the Philippines to this date that may be the reason why MP Promotions is interested in having him back, he could sell a fight by just talking b_s. With regards to connections of Sean Gibbons just look at Marlon Tapales, Jerwin Ancajas and Mark Magsayo, they all have fought for the championship belt because of Sean Gibbons efforts and even Casimero when he was with him. He got his WBO 118lbs title under MP Promotions.

I also heard this but there are conditions asked before Johnreil Casimero gets admitted again. I forgot the exact demands but I remember that Casimero needs to make a public apology to Sean Gibbons, etc., and fire his brother Jayson Casimero as his coach. Manny Pacquiao should fire Gibbons and his gang out of MP IMO.

I do not know if Casimero responded to this or if he already threw the offer into the trash can where it should belong. Casimero already mentioned before how important Jayson is to him, especially during fights. And Casimero is already WBO #3 by only fighting mediocre opponents twice so he is doing good without MP.

I'm not really sure what you meant, why is going back to MP suddenly WBO will give him the chance to become the mandatory? I don't think that Sean has so much influence though, we really even don't know how he become Manny's manager, he wasn't even by his side when Manny was in his prime?

Anyhow, I think if ever he will be given the chance by the WBO, it's because he is the former champion at 118 lbs. So we all know that some governing bodies prioritized their champions when moving up.

The above scenario will most likely to happen if he comes back to MP Promotions because rumors had it that Manny or Sean Gibbons have sent notice to Quadro Alas if he is interested in being back in their wings as they will accept him back with open arms hehe. Sean Gibbons has so many connections with those sanctioning bodies especially the WBO so this may be the short for an Inoue fight that we have been longing for.

I also believe that next year is the deciding year if Johnreil Casimero can really take on Naoya Inoue. This year it is most likely that Inoue will have his chance to unify his belts with another unified champion Marlon Tapales. But we haven't got the final deal yet on Inoue-Tapales. There's also the chance that both fighters will ask for a rematch clause but maybe it is not needed as long as they are getting paid well.

From what I know, these are the situations of the 4 sanctioning bodies:
WBA- Former champion Murodjon Akhmadaliev needs to fight for an eliminator. Former champion Tomoki Kameda refused the mandatory so there will be a delay on the WBA mandatory which gives Inoue/Tapales a window of a voluntary defense which could be Casimero.
WBC- Former champion Luis Nery already won an eliminator earlier but it was not stated as final so it is likely that there will also be a final eliminator which also means another window of opportunity for Inoue/Tapales to make a voluntary defense.
IBF- Sam Goodman already won an eliminator so the IBF can call Inoue/Tapales for a mandatory anytime. This is the biggest obstacle of Casimero because if Goodman gets the winner of Inoue/Tapales then it is also likely that the WBA and WBC mandatories will follow next.
WBO- No mandatory and eliminator yet. #1 Goodman, #2 Nery and #3 Casimero. Goodman is already an IBF mandatory. Maybe Nery and Casimero can fight for the WBC (final) and WBO eliminator early next year if both can't get Inoue/Tapales. But there's also the chance that Casimero will right away become mandatory for the WBO or he will fight for an eliminator against #4 or anyone that is available.

That's a good comparison. Both are slayers, so they should meet soon to determine who is the best. Well, on paper, obviously the best is Inoue, as he is at the top of the pound-for-pound list, while Casimero wasn't even a champion and does not have a good rank in the division he is competing in now.

However, I think we should be realistic. We should know when it could potentially happen. It's not happening this year for sure, and if this fight does not happen next year, then I guess it will never happen.

Let's not be quick to judge; there's another chance that the anticipated fight is going to happen. Just take the words from Inoue; they will stay for a while, so it could possibly imply that he is willing to fight Casimero. The thing is, Inoue has been defeating Filipino boxers while Casimero has been defeating Japanese boxers. So let's be optimistic that eventually, they will face each other.

It's not good for Inoue, though. He has some baggage left as he moves up in weight. As long as Casimero is still active in boxing, people will continue to link him to Inoue. I also think that if Inoue were to move up, Casimero might follow, especially if his goal is to prove to the world that he can beat Inoue, whom he called a turtle.

On paper, yes, but among the fans, Inoue dodging Casimero will have a negative impact on his legacy. Just like Mayweather, who is undeniably a great fighter and was undefeated when he retired, but people still talk more about Pacman and believe that he had a better career than Mayweather. I think in boxing, it's the fans who should be followed, and since they want to see Inoue fight Casimero, I think the champion should make that happen.

I do agree, it seems if we compare it before, from Floyd or Manny, after they win, people starts to ask when they are going to fight, as if their names are intertwined. So unless we see them fight in the future, John Riel and Naoya names will always pop up even if they have different opponents.

However, the burden is for Casimero to come up with big wins before he could fight Inoue, or at least Top Rank and his Japanese counterpart will be interested. So with the Oguni fight and the video resurfacing that Casimero is trying hard because he wants to fight Inoue next, it should be interesting on how Casimero will dispatch Oguni in their fight.

Yes, it seems that Casimero is in great shape right now, and it is really sparring?

I mean the two are throwing bombs against each other and there's no one to stop them. I guess I'm used to watch sparring that they didn't put 100% in training, and it the trainer sees enough or at least the sparring partner is hurt, they will blow their whistle and stop the fight.

So there's no underestimating from the camp of Casimero against Oguni, and leaving no stones unturn.

I also saw a video on Facebook about his trainer, who is Japanese, feeling the power of Casimero even while wearing protective equipment for his body. Casimero and Inoue have different styles of boxing, but both are effective in their own way, so it's really interesting to see which method will prevail.

I apologize for diverting the discussion, but it seems that despite Inoue and Casimero having their respective fights, we keep steering the conversation towards Inoue vs. Casimero because it's more interesting to watch now.

Thanks for sharing his training video. There's no doubt about Casimero's power, and I'm sure he keeps improving every day. His timing is really good; he doesn't throw a lot of punches, but his counterpunches are very dangerous. It's great to see him training hard for this fight. Despite Oguni not being as popular as him, he still didn't underestimate him. I think he really wants to prove the doubters wrong and win this by KO.

Casimero training update:

Casimero's promoter have sent to Ormoc City where the latter lives two high level sparring partner as the training has intensified since the fight will be in less than a month from now. Gauging on the video, Casimero is almost there, he hits very hard and that hook if touches Oguni;s chin, i think he would fall to the canvas.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eEtMFMt210&ab_channel=QuadroAlasit%E2%80%99smyboy

You are right, even there are also Japanese fans who show an interest in a possible matchup between Inoue and Casimero
there are still factors that prevent it to happen, either promoters of handlers don't see it as worthy or whatever the reason behind.

In the case of Tapales, we never know what fate he has as no one expects him to win his belts, an unknown challenger to many who upset the
current champ.

Maybe by chance he might upset Inoue as well. No one can conclude the outcome of this upcoming fight till we hear the announcer dictate the
name of the winner.

That wasn't the exact statement made by Inoue's camp. If I recall correctly, they mentioned that Inoue intends to stay in the super bantamweight division for a while after securing all the belts. This statement opens up opportunities for challengers to face Inoue, and we hope that Casimero can be one of those challengers. Unfortunately, when I checked the rankings, Casimero was only in the top 3. To increase his chances, he needs to win more fights and make a more impressive showing. Who knows, Inoue might consider giving him a chance in the future.

Even the japanese fans ask the fight to happen since they are also been hype for the possible match up but the camp of Inoue and other forces of evil stop to make this fight to happen. To many fans still discuss about this match but Inoue still not showing some interest and want to climb up or chase more belts, so for that this will make Casimero less on his priority. For now lets watch if Tapales can give a good fight here since if he defeat Inoue maybe we can see a different story here.

Not to bring Tapales behind but yes if it's Casimero who have that opportunity to fight Inoue, surely there is more interest not just with
pinoy fans but also those who knew Casimero.

The fighting capabilities of Casimero might have a better chance compared to what Tapales can offer, and same with you I might also be betting for
Casimero and spare some money to add up with the support for him, though not with KO, but just to win the fight.

I believe that's quite evident. Even Filipino fans don't see Tapales as the favorite to beat Inoue. Inoue is currently in his prime, and his dominance in the ring, with most of his fights ending in knockouts, sets him apart as a special boxer. Tapales deserves appreciation for his courage in facing Inoue without fearing the loss of his belts. He truly embodies the spirit of a warrior.

Just imagine, if he loses both of his belts in this fight, he'll essentially be starting over again. That's how much is at stake for him in this bout.

We have many Filipino fans here, and despite Tapales being a champion, we still believe that Casimero is the better fighter, which is why we'd love to see him fight Inoue. Personally, I'm not very confident that Tapales could beat Inoue. However, if it's Casimero who gets the chance to face Inoue, it would truly excite me. I'd even be willing to bet on Casimero winning via KO, even if the odds of that happening are slim.