[Boxing] Casimero vs Oguni - October 12 - page 6.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 26, 2023, 07:29:36 AM

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And, hopefully if ever Casimero will have that chance to meet Inoue inside the ring, he will show something that will hype his
name, more on the side where opportunity might open up for after this upcoming fight.

Though i'm a fan of Casimero but i think he will lose to Inoue if ever they will meet in the future. Casimero has power, we knew that but Inoue has a granite chin, we saw that when he fought Donaire, though his jaw was broken but still he stood standing and finished the fight gallantly.

But Inoue vs Casimero will be interesting to ordinary fans and tickets might sell like hotcakes if Quadro Alas would start opening his mount and taunt Inoue.

Regardless of us being a fan though of Casimero, we still wanted to see if he can back up all his talks about Inoue. I mean he is a trash talking, very uncanny for a Filipino boxer. But I guess that's what his personality is, and again, I follow his social media accounts and it seems that he is also helping back his community with the money he earn from boxing and help his family.

Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if he taunt Inoue again after he wins his fight again Oguni, specially if it will be in spectacular fashion like a knockout win because that will boost his confidence againt call out Inoue for a showdown.

Boxing is a business, and no matter how good a boxer is, if he doesn't know how to market a fight and promote himself, promoters may be hesitant to keep him in the spotlight. Casimero understands that Inoue is his best chance to become a popular boxer, so he is doing everything he can to gain Inoue's attention, hoping that one day Inoue's camp will sign a contract for a fight. Casimero might have a rougher journey compared to Inoue, but we have to admit that he is the closest rival to Inoue right now, and people see that as the reason they are supporting Casimero with his taunting style.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on September 26, 2023, 12:00:59 AM

And, hopefully if ever Casimero will have that chance to meet Inoue inside the ring, he will show something that will hype his
name, more on the side where opportunity might open up for after this upcoming fight.

Though i'm a fan of Casimero but i think he will lose to Inoue if ever they will meet in the future. Casimero has power, we knew that but Inoue has a granite chin, we saw that when he fought Donaire, though his jaw was broken but still he stood standing and finished the fight gallantly.

But Inoue vs Casimero will be interesting to ordinary fans and tickets might sell like hotcakes if Quadro Alas would start opening his mount and taunt Inoue.

Regardless of us being a fan though of Casimero, we still wanted to see if he can back up all his talks about Inoue. I mean he is a trash talking, very uncanny for a Filipino boxer. But I guess that's what his personality is, and again, I follow his social media accounts and it seems that he is also helping back his community with the money he earn from boxing and help his family.

Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if he taunt Inoue again after he wins his fight again Oguni, specially if it will be in spectacular fashion like a knockout win because that will boost his confidence againt call out Inoue for a showdown.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on September 26, 2023, 12:00:59 AM

And, hopefully if ever Casimero will have that chance to meet Inoue inside the ring, he will show something that will hype his
name, more on the side where opportunity might open up for after this upcoming fight.

Though i'm a fan of Casimero but i think he will lose to Inoue if ever they will meet in the future. Casimero has power, we knew that but Inoue has a granite chin, we saw that when he fought Donaire, though his jaw was broken but still he stood standing and finished the fight gallantly.

But Inoue vs Casimero will be interesting to ordinary fans and tickets might sell like hotcakes if Quadro Alas would start opening his mount and taunt Inoue.

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^^ But I think Manny did the right thing though, moving up in weight winning 8 divisions and now he has become a legend. And could be in the argument for one of the best, GOAT in boxing. As let's say to Floyd's unblemished record, but if you have to compare him and Manny, what Pacman accomplished was greater as it hard to beat that record and maybe it will stand for many years that not even Inoue can break it if he wanted to. But fighting in the US, could really be good for Inoue's exposure and of course getting huge money as well.

You know what the pretty boy Mayweather is too far from Manny pacman Pacquiao ad we all know and saw how he fight Floyd has the strategy of backing once his opponent are stronger than him we won't give a belt to belt fight which is pretty bad for me. That's the reason why he has the name of pretty boy because his face is very protective by his elbow and arms. While Manny pacman gives us an exciting match a belt to belt punches until both of them felt slow.

Not to hijack this thread but yes, Floyd and Manny are different, as how the post above you describe it and how you state your own
interpretation, Floyd uses his tactics and keeps that clean records.

While Manny brings all the excitement and we know how popular he is not just in front of his countrymen, but also he gains the love all around the world.

And, hopefully if ever Casimero will have that chance to meet Inoue inside the ring, he will show something that will hype his
name, more on the side where opportunity might open up for after this upcoming fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 23, 2023, 01:48:05 PM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 23, 2023, 08:12:03 AM

^^ But I think Manny did the right thing though, moving up in weight winning 8 divisions and now he has become a legend. And could be in the argument for one of the best, GOAT in boxing. As let's say to Floyd's unblemished record, but if you have to compare him and Manny, what Pacman accomplished was greater as it hard to beat that record and maybe it will stand for many years that not even Inoue can break it if he wanted to. But fighting in the US, could really be good for Inoue's exposure and of course getting huge money as well.

He did the right thing because his promoter knows where the bigger market is, compared to Inoue, who can still make a lot of money even if he only fights in Japan. But it cannot be denied that he will make more if the fight is held in the USA. I don't know what their plan is, but right now, in terms of career development, Inoue is on the right path. Maybe next time he moves up in weight, he'll focus his fights in the US.

Exactly, US is the mecca of boxing, so it's better for Inoue to make his fights in the US and risk everything.
Of course, they are making as well good money in the US, but if you wanted to cement your legacy and chasing the biggest audience that will be the US of A.
But we can't do anything if his Japanese handlers are in their comfort in Japan.
There might be language barriers, but Top Rank is there to work with them.
Not sure how long is Inoue's contract though, maybe when he is on his last term with Top Rank, perhaps he will be fighting in the US.
But for now, he seems to not compromise his career and just steadily fighting in his home country.

Top Rank hasn't been dictating where Inoue would fight. I read that he only signed with Top Rank for a co-promotional agreement, which means it's not Top Rank that has total control. I believe he signed in 2019 and announced it after the fight with Donaire, so it's been more than three years already. He has had six fights under Top Rank, but only two of the fights were held in the US: his fights with Jason Moloney and Michael Dasmarinas.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 23, 2023, 09:05:42 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 23, 2023, 08:12:03 AM

^^ But I think Manny did the right thing though, moving up in weight winning 8 divisions and now he has become a legend. And could be in the argument for one of the best, GOAT in boxing. As let's say to Floyd's unblemished record, but if you have to compare him and Manny, what Pacman accomplished was greater as it hard to beat that record and maybe it will stand for many years that not even Inoue can break it if he wanted to. But fighting in the US, could really be good for Inoue's exposure and of course getting huge money as well.

He did the right thing because his promoter knows where the bigger market is, compared to Inoue, who can still make a lot of money even if he only fights in Japan. But it cannot be denied that he will make more if the fight is held in the USA. I don't know what their plan is, but right now, in terms of career development, Inoue is on the right path. Maybe next time he moves up in weight, he'll focus his fights in the US.

Exactly, US is the mecca of boxing, so it's better for Inoue to make his fights in the US and risk everything.
Of course, they are making as well good money in the US, but if you wanted to cement your legacy and chasing the biggest audience that will be the US of A.
But we can't do anything if his Japanese handlers are in their comfort in Japan.
There might be language barriers, but Top Rank is there to work with them.
Not sure how long is Inoue's contract though, maybe when he is on his last term with Top Rank, perhaps he will be fighting in the US.
But for now, he seems to not compromise his career and just steadily fighting in his home country.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 23, 2023, 08:12:03 AM

^^ But I think Manny did the right thing though, moving up in weight winning 8 divisions and now he has become a legend. And could be in the argument for one of the best, GOAT in boxing. As let's say to Floyd's unblemished record, but if you have to compare him and Manny, what Pacman accomplished was greater as it hard to beat that record and maybe it will stand for many years that not even Inoue can break it if he wanted to. But fighting in the US, could really be good for Inoue's exposure and of course getting huge money as well.

You know what the pretty boy Mayweather is too far from Manny pacman Pacquiao ad we all know and saw how he fight Floyd has the strategy of backing once his opponent are stronger than him we won't give a belt to belt fight which is pretty bad for me. That's the reason why he has the name of pretty boy because his face is very protective by his elbow and arms. While Manny pacman gives us an exciting match a belt to belt punches until both of them felt slow.

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Of course, he had been heard and known already, he is even in the pound for pound list. But US fans wanted to see the Japanese monster and really be the name from Asia. Just like Manny Pacquiao is, even after he retires, he has been given so much respect by the boxing community in the US and whenever he goes to watch live fights, everyone is very happy to see the living legend and even his former nemesis are there for Manny.

Definitely, that's what Inoue's team should do if they want to gain recognition worldwide. Inoue has the same skills as Manny Pacquiao, and perhaps even better, but he isn't as much of a risk-taker as Manny, who would fight anyone, even when some people didn't think he could beat them. I mean, he kept proving the experts wrong every time he move up in weight and stepped into the ring. That's because he still had the speed and power, and, mind you, he wasn't a boxer afraid of losing; all he wanted was to entertain the fans, as they deserved.

Remember that Manny Pacquiao was a champion in five/eight different weight classes? He was the champion of eight different weight classes, to be honest.

Not only Inoue I actually think that there is no one in this world right now who is actually going to take a risk like that. In this day and age, everyone likes to play it safe. And he is definitely also like that. In this era, people are more interested in having a career which is really perfect. It's like if you do not have like 100 wins and zero losses you are not a good fighter. And of course, I don't think we can actually blame any fighter for taking things easy and careful.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 23, 2023, 08:12:03 AM

^^ But I think Manny did the right thing though, moving up in weight winning 8 divisions and now he has become a legend. And could be in the argument for one of the best, GOAT in boxing. As let's say to Floyd's unblemished record, but if you have to compare him and Manny, what Pacman accomplished was greater as it hard to beat that record and maybe it will stand for many years that not even Inoue can break it if he wanted to. But fighting in the US, could really be good for Inoue's exposure and of course getting huge money as well.

He did the right thing because his promoter knows where the bigger market is, compared to Inoue, who can still make a lot of money even if he only fights in Japan. But it cannot be denied that he will make more if the fight is held in the USA. I don't know what their plan is, but right now, in terms of career development, Inoue is on the right path. Maybe next time he moves up in weight, he'll focus his fights in the US.

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^^ But I think Manny did the right thing though, moving up in weight winning 8 divisions and now he has become a legend. And could be in the argument for one of the best, GOAT in boxing. As let's say to Floyd's unblemished record, but if you have to compare him and Manny, what Pacman accomplished was greater as it hard to beat that record and maybe it will stand for many years that not even Inoue can break it if he wanted to. But fighting in the US, could really be good for Inoue's exposure and of course getting huge money as well.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2023, 06:34:13 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 23, 2023, 05:56:36 AM

Of course, he had been heard and known already, he is even in the pound for pound list. But US fans wanted to see the Japanese monster and really be the name from Asia. Just like Manny Pacquiao is, even after he retires, he has been given so much respect by the boxing community in the US and whenever he goes to watch live fights, everyone is very happy to see the living legend and even his former nemesis are there for Manny.

Definitely, that's what Inoue's team should do if they want to gain recognition worldwide. Inoue has the same skills as Manny Pacquiao, and perhaps even better, but he isn't as much of a risk-taker as Manny, who would fight anyone, even when some people didn't think he could beat them. I mean, he kept proving the experts wrong every time he move up in weight and stepped into the ring. That's because he still had the speed and power, and, mind you, he wasn't a boxer afraid of losing; all he wanted was to entertain the fans, as they deserved.

I believe both Naoya Inoue and Manny Pacquiao are both risk-takers. But both have their own different ways of risking their careers. Opportunity costs a lot in this sport since fighters have limited years in their prime.

Pacman (retired):
- Was only 19 years old when he won his first world title.
- The only 8-division champion in the history of the sport.
- The only 5-division lineal champion in the history of the sport.

The cost of Pacman's constant moving up in weight:
- Zero undisputed
- He never really became a unified champion. He only fought another belt holder twice in his long career and failed to win both

Monster (active):
- 20 years old when he won his first world title.
- He only had 5 wins when he fought for his first world title.
- After only 7 wins he moved up in weight for his second-division world title fight. This might be the fastest in the history of the sport.
- 1 time undisputed champion
- 4 division world champion
- 2 division lineal champion
- 2 division unified champion

The cost of Inoue spending 4 years of his prime to unify the belts at 118 might have put his limits as to how many divisions he could take in his remaining years.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 21, 2023, 09:05:45 AM

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Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

Inoue was already popular before he joined Top Rank. If I remember correctly, he only joined after he beat Donaire in their first fight. I thought that when he joined Top Rank, he would have more fights outside his country, but he still chose to fight in Japan rather than in the USA. I'm not sure if Inoue is making more money fighting in Japan or in the USA. How can Top Rank maximize the potential income?

He'd still earn good figures in Japan as he has the full support of his countrymen, not to mention he'd also attract tourist to watch him fight live. So, Inoue fighting in Japan could help their tourism businesses as well. However, this won't stay longer especially when boxing fans starts to become disinterested due to the fact that he's not fighting outside Japan.
Inoue needs to explore more of his career in fighting outside his territory, it would help him become even better with where he is right now.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 23, 2023, 05:56:36 AM

Of course, he had been heard and known already, he is even in the pound for pound list. But US fans wanted to see the Japanese monster and really be the name from Asia. Just like Manny Pacquiao is, even after he retires, he has been given so much respect by the boxing community in the US and whenever he goes to watch live fights, everyone is very happy to see the living legend and even his former nemesis are there for Manny.

Definitely, that's what Inoue's team should do if they want to gain recognition worldwide. Inoue has the same skills as Manny Pacquiao, and perhaps even better, but he isn't as much of a risk-taker as Manny, who would fight anyone, even when some people didn't think he could beat them. I mean, he kept proving the experts wrong every time he move up in weight and stepped into the ring. That's because he still had the speed and power, and, mind you, he wasn't a boxer afraid of losing; all he wanted was to entertain the fans, as they deserved.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 21, 2023, 09:05:45 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2023, 08:16:53 AM

Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

Inoue was already popular before he joined Top Rank. If I remember correctly, he only joined after he beat Donaire in their first fight. I thought that when he joined Top Rank, he would have more fights outside his country, but he still chose to fight in Japan rather than in the USA. I'm not sure if Inoue is making more money fighting in Japan or in the USA. How can Top Rank maximize the potential income?

The thing though with Top Rank is that they don't solely 100% promote Inoue, Ohashi Promotions from Japan also co-promotes.
So as much as we love to see Inoue fight in Japan, Top Rank's counterpart might have wanted for Inoue to stay in Japan as this is his hometown.
However, I think that it won't last that long, sooner or later Bob Arum will have to make Inoue fight in the US so that he will make a lot of money.
Perhaps if Inoue goes up again at 126 lbs and fight US fighters or at least champions for US or Mexico, then Inoue will have no choice but to travel to US.

Yes, but as we have been telling or at least what we think is the best for Inoue, him and Top Rank and his Japanese promoter should really venture out of their comfort zone and established their names in the US.

Of course, he had been heard and known already, he is even in the pound for pound list. But US fans wanted to see the Japanese monster and really be the name from Asia. Just like Manny Pacquiao is, even after he retires, he has been given so much respect by the boxing community in the US and whenever he goes to watch live fights, everyone is very happy to see the living legend and even his former nemesis are there for Manny.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2023, 08:16:53 AM

Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

Inoue was already popular before he joined Top Rank. If I remember correctly, he only joined after he beat Donaire in their first fight. I thought that when he joined Top Rank, he would have more fights outside his country, but he still chose to fight in Japan rather than in the USA. I'm not sure if Inoue is making more money fighting in Japan or in the USA. How can Top Rank maximize the potential income?

Yes, this was in 2019 when Inoue won the tournament by beating Donaire in the final round.
For more information about that, you can check out this link: World Boxing News - Naoya Inoue

Inoue idolizes Pacman, maybe that's the reason why he also chose Bob Arum to be his promoter because he believes it can help elevate his career. We are already seeing it now; he is fighting to become an undisputed champion, and maybe after this, he will be moving up, probably next year.

Maybe he's focusing on how to achieve more glory and he's letting Arum to work for him in terms of money.

not sure if what his handler's doing to make sure that they are getting what they supposed to earn while Inoue's career still hyping up.

Still preferred to fight inside his home crowd and there's no update yet if he will soon to travel and fight outside especially
in the US where money may overflow.

Maybe if by chance Him and Casimero will be setup and deal, maybe US would be best for them both to bring huge amounts of money.

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I tried to subscribe to John Riel Casimero's youtube account and I just see some shadow boxing, he really looks solid and fast. And if I'm not mistaken, his body is really built like a tank, small frame but he is stocky perhaps I will compare him to Manny Pacquiao during his prime when he had this shadow boxing in Wild Card gym.

This is the video that I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mhEZpE-f0iY

Hopefully though, he will have the stamina to last even if it needed 12 rounds. Many sparring rounds so that he will be used to this kind of fast phase and his power will be the same all throughout, just like what Manny had. And Manny said during his first fight with Barrera that he did train many rounds so that you can see his power and his phasing not even slowing down in this fight as he really prepared for it.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 21, 2023, 09:05:45 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2023, 08:16:53 AM

Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

Inoue was already popular before he joined Top Rank. If I remember correctly, he only joined after he beat Donaire in their first fight. I thought that when he joined Top Rank, he would have more fights outside his country, but he still chose to fight in Japan rather than in the USA. I'm not sure if Inoue is making more money fighting in Japan or in the USA. How can Top Rank maximize the potential income?

The thing though with Top Rank is that they don't solely 100% promote Inoue, Ohashi Promotions from Japan also co-promotes.
So as much as we love to see Inoue fight in Japan, Top Rank's counterpart might have wanted for Inoue to stay in Japan as this is his hometown.
However, I think that it won't last that long, sooner or later Bob Arum will have to make Inoue fight in the US so that he will make a lot of money.
Perhaps if Inoue goes up again at 126 lbs and fight US fighters or at least champions for US or Mexico, then Inoue will have no choice but to travel to US.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 21, 2023, 09:05:45 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2023, 08:16:53 AM

Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

Inoue was already popular before he joined Top Rank. If I remember correctly, he only joined after he beat Donaire in their first fight. I thought that when he joined Top Rank, he would have more fights outside his country, but he still chose to fight in Japan rather than in the USA. I'm not sure if Inoue is making more money fighting in Japan or in the USA. How can Top Rank maximize the potential income?

Yes, this was in 2019 when Inoue won the tournament by beating Donaire in the final round.
For more information about that, you can check out this link: World Boxing News - Naoya Inoue

Inoue idolizes Pacman, maybe that's the reason why he also chose Bob Arum to be his promoter because he believes it can help elevate his career. We are already seeing it now; he is fighting to become an undisputed champion, and maybe after this, he will be moving up, probably next year.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2023, 08:16:53 AM

Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

Inoue was already popular before he joined Top Rank. If I remember correctly, he only joined after he beat Donaire in their first fight. I thought that when he joined Top Rank, he would have more fights outside his country, but he still chose to fight in Japan rather than in the USA. I'm not sure if Inoue is making more money fighting in Japan or in the USA. How can Top Rank maximize the potential income?

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But there's also the chance that Casimero will right away become mandatory for the WBO or he will fight for an eliminator against #4 or anyone that is available.

The above scenario will most likely to happen if he comes back to MP Promotions because rumors had it that Manny or Sean Gibbons have sent notice to Quadro Alas if he is interested in being back in their wings as they will accept him back with open arms hehe. Sean Gibbons has so many connections with those sanctioning bodies especially the WBO so this may be the short for an Inoue fight that we have been longing for.

I'm not really sure what you meant, why is going back to MP suddenly WBO will give him the chance to become the mandatory? I don't think that Sean has so much influence though, we really even don't know how he become Manny's manager, he wasn't even by his side when Manny was in his prime?

Anyhow, I think if ever he will be given the chance by the WBO, it's because he is the former champion at 118 lbs. So we all know that some governing bodies prioritized their champions when moving up.

Whether we like it or not, there is bullshit politics in boxing Grin

. Casimero is the number fighter out of the Philippines to this date that may be the reason why MP Promotions is interested in having him back, he could sell a fight by just talking b_s. With regards to connections of Sean Gibbons just look at Marlon Tapales, Jerwin Ancajas and Mark Magsayo, they all have fought for the championship belt because of Sean Gibbons efforts and even Casimero when he was with him. He got his WBO 118lbs title under MP Promotions.

Yeah, it really takes a good manager and promotional company to really bring the best out of their boxers and won a belt. But for me, it still base on the fighters themselves, I mean they could be given chances to fight for the belt, but in any case, if they are not really that good then they couldn't win any belts.

Just like what Top Rank's did to Manny and now to Inoue. They have the blue print to make a good fighters to be great and legendary by careful match making. But just imagine if Manny doesn't have the power or the charisma he had in the ring, he wouldn't be that great though.

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