[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence - page 25.

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Ennis name though is cropping up, at least I heard Crawford talk about him, meaning he is all aware of what is going on in his division and maybe looking at the threat outside already, good sign of a well IQ boxer.

Because PBC is grooming Ennis as its next welterweight star. He is a good fighter with an excellent record of 29-0-27 but I feel like PBC is babying him. Unlike Butaev and Stanionis who only got 14 and 15 fights only but they already held the WBA regular belt and fought each other too. Vergil and Spence used to be friends as both came from Texas but there was a time that they had beef a few years ago but was settled later on. There were also talks about Vergil Ortiz and Bud Crawford before but it didn't materialize. I believe these 4 young stars will beat Thurman and maybe Crawford and Spence too after a year or two. That's why Bud and Spence should really fight this year and then they can move up in weight in order to fight the other big names.

Thanks for this info mate, seems to me that you are one of the walking vocabularies in boxing on this forum

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I also think that Top Rank also has be blamed for why Crawford has not faced other big names in the welterweight division as for me they are babying him and not rushing him to fight the likes of Spence or Thurman but on the other hand, it might also have some advantages as hyping fighters will make more money in the end.

I don't know but I think it was my first year or second year of high school when boxing became my favorite sport. Probably influenced when I joined gangs during that time. Cheesy

As for my observation thru the years. I don't think Bob Arum or Terrence Crawford himself are scared or staying away from the other popular welterweights. I read and saw a lot of videos wherein Bud and Arum were trying to fight the PBC boys namely; Spence, Thurman, Danny Garcia, and Porter. It should be Al Haymon of PBC that is not willing to risk his underdog fighters to Bud. Ever since the creation of PBC, I cannot remember them risking a big name to a favorite fighter from another network. The Fury-Wilder happened because Wilder was favored to win over fat and recently returning Fury. Porter already had 3 losses when PBC allowed him to fight Bud, probably as a measuring stick for their main guy Spence. But these are common in boxing though those promoters will look for fights against other promoters' superstars when their fighters are favorites to win.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 16, 2022, 08:41:32 PM

They have been eyeing each other for many years now, even watches each other fight live so for sure they have an idea already on the style of each other and no need to watch tapes to prepare for their fight. Or at least not spend so much time about it..

It's true that they haven't been in contact yet but it's clear they know each other's habits without having to look at so many tapes and fights because they know exactly what to do.
This will be very exciting because it is clear that all eyes will be on them with the titles they have and with their big names now it must be quite a wait to see who is the best here.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 16, 2022, 08:41:32 PM

They have been eyeing each other for many years now, even watches each other fight live so for sure they have an idea already on the style of each other and no need to watch tapes to prepare for their fight. Or at least not spend so much time about it..

If the smoke came from Dan Rafael, then there could be very well true that the fight has somewhat been made and only the boxers in the under card that they are looking to fulfill and the venue itself.

I hope that is true because if they are really interested in making this fight happen, they should have already announced it so the fans will not worry anymore if the negotiation will fail. We have been anticipating this fight because we want to know who is better since both fighters are claiming they are the best, there's only one way to know, they should fight.

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They have to finalize it so both fighters can go for serious training and promoters can promote and writers can write about the fight and we fans start discussing the fight, right now all we can do is speculate,

Both fighters are surely doing serious training now, at least.

These boxers won't just start their respective training after the fight will officially deal. Since there's progress and might end up in a successful deal, they are doing some training now so that they won't have to rush their conditioning.

For sure, our speculation will soon come true.

Just hang in there as this fight will be materialized for real.

That's for sure, they are the ones inside who knows the news and all every detail of it so if both camps are almost reaching a deal then I guess that's an enough reason for them to start reviewing tapes and do trainings for their upcoming fight even before they announce it. This will be a mega-fight in the process and this will be an entertaining fight to see as well as Crawford and Spence is known to be a heavy hitter who wants to have a blow-by-blow fights.

They have been eyeing each other for many years now, even watches each other fight live so for sure they have an idea already on the style of each other and no need to watch tapes to prepare for their fight. Or at least not spend so much time about it..

If the smoke came from Dan Rafael, then there could be very well true that the fight has somewhat been made and only the boxers in the under card that they are looking to fulfill and the venue itself.

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Quote from: harizen on August 15, 2022, 06:50:45 PM

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They have to finalize it so both fighters can go for serious training and promoters can promote and writers can write about the fight and we fans start discussing the fight, right now all we can do is speculate,

Both fighters are surely doing serious training now, at least.

These boxers won't just start their respective training after the fight will officially deal. Since there's progress and might end up in a successful deal, they are doing some training now so that they won't have to rush their conditioning.

For sure, our speculation will soon come true.

Just hang in there as this fight will be materialized for real.

That's for sure, they are the ones inside who knows the news and all every detail of it so if both camps are almost reaching a deal then I guess that's an enough reason for them to start reviewing tapes and do trainings for their upcoming fight even before they announce it. This will be a mega-fight in the process and this will be an entertaining fight to see as well as Crawford and Spence is known to be a heavy hitter who wants to have a blow-by-blow fights.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 16, 2022, 11:39:57 AM

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Ennis name though is cropping up, at least I heard Crawford talk about him, meaning he is all aware of what is going on in his division and maybe looking at the threat outside already, good sign of a well IQ boxer.

Because PBC is grooming Ennis as its next welterweight star. He is a good fighter with an excellent record of 29-0-27 but I feel like PBC is babying him. Unlike Butaev and Stanionis who only got 14 and 15 fights only but they already held the WBA regular belt and fought each other too. Vergil and Spence used to be friends as both came from Texas but there was a time that they had beef a few years ago but was settled later on. There were also talks about Vergil Ortiz and Bud Crawford before but it didn't materialize. I believe these 4 young stars will beat Thurman and maybe Crawford and Spence too after a year or two. That's why Bud and Spence should really fight this year and then they can move up in weight in order to fight the other big names.

Thanks for this info mate, seems to me that you are one of the walking vocabularies in boxing on this forum

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I also think that Top Rank also has be blamed for why Crawford has not faced other big names in the welterweight division as for me they are babying him and not rushing him to fight the likes of Spence or Thurman but on the other hand, it might also have some advantages as hyping fighters will make more money in the end.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 16, 2022, 05:08:57 AM

Ennis name though is cropping up, at least I heard Crawford talk about him, meaning he is all aware of what is going on in his division and maybe looking at the threat outside already, good sign of a well IQ boxer.

Because PBC is grooming Ennis as its next welterweight star. He is a good fighter with an excellent record of 29-0-27 but I feel like PBC is babying him. Unlike Butaev and Stanionis who only got 14 and 15 fights only but they already held the WBA regular belt and fought each other too. Vergil and Spence used to be friends as both came from Texas but there was a time that they had beef a few years ago but was settled later on. There were also talks about Vergil Ortiz and Bud Crawford before but it didn't materialize. I believe these 4 young stars will beat Thurman and maybe Crawford and Spence too after a year or two. That's why Bud and Spence should really fight this year and then they can move up in weight in order to fight the other big names.

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Dan Rafael is a good source, as he is a legendary boxing writer, and let's hope that what he leaks in true though. I mean we all have been speculating this fight for months now and hope that it will happen in October, the first date that circulated. And then there is news blackout from both camps although we have seen Showtime Stephen Espinoza and even Crawford himself going into the public and giving some updates, but still it's not that clear. So again, good to hear that there is progress, but we will have to wait for the final announcement.

Yes, Dan Rafael should be reliable enough. There must be truth behind Dan Rafael's tweet. So it is not Mayweather Jr. that will announce it first though? Cheesy

So it is November 12 or 19 in Las Vegas then. At least the venue is not in Spence's state of Texas and although this made Crawford inactive for a year, I hope he is pumped and ready to start his training camp.

And it also mentioned WBA regular champ Eimantas Stanionis in the undercard. Guys like Stanionis, Ortiz, Ennis, and Butaev will get their mandatory shots sooner than later. And IMO, these young guns are too risky for both Crawford and Spence. Unless Spence is happy and contented staying at welterweight forever.

Ennis name though is cropping up, at least I heard Crawford talk about him, meaning he is all aware of what is going on in his division and maybe looking at the threat outside already, good sign of a well IQ boxer.

Hopefully what Dan said could have some truth in it. It should be held somewhere in Las Vegas, that will be a good venue and if I'm not mistaken it was also the venue when a date of October surface earlier. I don't like it in Texas, maybe we will see some robbery or judges being bias. So they should take away this from the equation and place it where there is a lot of money to be made.

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 15, 2022, 04:50:29 PM

They have to finalize it so both fighters can go for serious training and promoters can promote and writers can write about the fight and we fans start discussing the fight, right now all we can do is speculate,

Both fighters are surely doing serious training now, at least.

These boxers won't just start their respective training after the fight will officially deal. Since there's progress and might end up in a successful deal, they are doing some training now so that they won't have to rush their conditioning.

For sure, our speculation will soon come true.

Just hang in there as this fight will be materialized for real.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on August 10, 2022, 09:23:23 AM

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

I'm not aware that Spence is doing excuses for this fight not to happened. Both sides are even silent.

Are you talking about today's negotiation and Spence is doing excuses? Or you are referring to the previous attempts to organize this fight?

If you are referring to Spence's excuses in today's negotiations, can you provide a link for that? I tried to search for it but found nothing. What I see is only a lack of information about the status of this fight and that article shared above.

Nah, Crawford is not silent and I understand why he is so keen to put some pressure to make the fight happen because time is not on his side while Spence is still fresh this year from his fight with Ugas that resulted in a TKO in his favor. Crawford has been giving updates but the bottom line of that update is that both camps are yet to agree on something.

Still on the negotiation process, I guess, no update yet from both camps. The chance of making this fight to happen is to have a common

goal of bringing the entertainment back to the fans. If both will sit and discuss the terms, maybe both camps will have something to

agree in between, but we still don't hear anything, maybe more hypes for both sides. We really don't know what will be the conclusion regarding

to deal and if both camps will sign the contract.

Maybe they are also on the process or discussion on how to maximize their profits and make the fight bigger than mega-fight as an undisputed fight is really rare to happen in the boxing industry, also, I happen to read somewhere that Spence's camp is asking for Crawford's camp to help Spence sell and market the fight as he couldn't carry all the load even if he is the king of PPV. Don't know if it's really true but both of them should really try to sell the fight even if they know that their fight is much anticipated.

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According to the latest news 5 days ago. The fight has already a possible date between Nov 12 or 19. They are already finalizing the list of undercard to pre heat there fight of the century match up. The negotiations will probably end anytime this month because they will need enough time to properly advertise this fight for the success of ticket sales.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/08/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-near-completion-for-nov-12th-or-nov-19th/

They have to finalize it so both fighters can go for serious training and promoters can promote and writers can write about the fight and we fans start discussing the fight, right now all we can do is speculate, if they are finalizing the undercard then it's a done deal because they are not in the top level deal now, I hope the contract will be sign this month to end all speculation about the fight that we all think is long been overdue.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 14, 2022, 05:19:21 PM

Dan Rafael is a good source, as he is a legendary boxing writer, and let's hope that what he leaks in true though. I mean we all have been speculating this fight for months now and hope that it will happen in October, the first date that circulated. And then there is news blackout from both camps although we have seen Showtime Stephen Espinoza and even Crawford himself going into the public and giving some updates, but still it's not that clear. So again, good to hear that there is progress, but we will have to wait for the final announcement.

Yes, Dan Rafael should be reliable enough. There must be truth behind Dan Rafael's tweet. So it is not Mayweather Jr. that will announce it first though? Cheesy

So it is November 12 or 19 in Las Vegas then. At least the venue is not in Spence's state of Texas and although this made Crawford inactive for a year, I hope he is pumped and ready to start his training camp.

And it also mentioned WBA regular champ Eimantas Stanionis in the undercard. Guys like Stanionis, Ortiz, Ennis, and Butaev will get their mandatory shots sooner than later. And IMO, these young guns are too risky for both Crawford and Spence. Unless Spence is happy and contented staying at welterweight forever.

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Dan Rafael is a good source, as he is a legendary boxing writer, and let's hope that what he leaks in true though. I mean we all have been speculating this fight for months now and hope that it will happen in October, the first date that circulated. And then there is news blackout from both camps although we have seen Showtime Stephen Espinoza and even Crawford himself going into the public and giving some updates, but still it's not that clear. So again, good to hear that there is progress, but we will have to wait for the final announcement.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on August 10, 2022, 09:23:23 AM

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

I'm not aware that Spence is doing excuses for this fight not to happened. Both sides are even silent.

Are you talking about today's negotiation and Spence is doing excuses? Or you are referring to the previous attempts to organize this fight?

If you are referring to Spence's excuses in today's negotiations, can you provide a link for that? I tried to search for it but found nothing. What I see is only a lack of information about the status of this fight and that article shared above.

Nah, Crawford is not silent and I understand why he is so keen to put some pressure to make the fight happen because time is not on his side while Spence is still fresh this year from his fight with Ugas that resulted in a TKO in his favor. Crawford has been giving updates but the bottom line of that update is that both camps are yet to agree on something.

Still on the negotiation process, I guess, no update yet from both camps. The chance of making this fight to happen is to have a common

goal of bringing the entertainment back to the fans. If both will sit and discuss the terms, maybe both camps will have something to

agree in between, but we still don't hear anything, maybe more hypes for both sides. We really don't know what will be the conclusion regarding

to deal and if both camps will sign the contract.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 10, 2022, 04:02:04 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on August 10, 2022, 09:23:23 AM

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

I'm not aware that Spence is doing excuses for this fight not to happened. Both sides are even silent.

Are you talking about today's negotiation and Spence is doing excuses? Or you are referring to the previous attempts to organize this fight?

If you are referring to Spence's excuses in today's negotiations, can you provide a link for that? I tried to search for it but found nothing. What I see is only a lack of information about the status of this fight and that article shared above.

Nah, Crawford is not silent and I understand why he is so keen to put some pressure to make the fight happen because time is not on his side while Spence is still fresh this year from his fight with Ugas that resulted in a TKO in his favor. Crawford has been giving updates but the bottom line of that update is that both camps are yet to agree on something.

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Quote from: harizen on August 10, 2022, 01:08:07 PM

Anyways, this is the fresh update we got so far:

Errol Spence Vs. Terence Crawford Near Completion For Nov.12th Or Nov.19th

This catch my attention in the article: "There’s no word what the purse splits are for Spence & Crawford, and it’s possible we may never find out."

Thanks for the update mate! I've read it and this is much better because we now have a news like this that their fight will become official soon and much better because we now know that there's indeed a high chance that this undisputed fight will happen this year.

I've read in the same article too that Spence's camp needed Crawford's camp to help him sell the fight because Spence cannot do it alone. Well, I personally think that both of them won't struggle about that and have some hard time selling this fight as the people and the boxing fans around the globe has been waiting for this to happen.

But this detail right here caught my attention the most:

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“According to sources, PBC believes it is so close to finalizing the deal that it is already looking at possibilities for the undercard of what will likely be a Showtime PPV event,”

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/08/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-near-completion-for-nov-12th-or-nov-19th/

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Quote from: harizen on August 11, 2022, 06:06:52 PM

Maybe the legacy means for Spence is Money > Fame lol.

It's like no threats should be risks to maintain and continue the benefits he is getting on his current status. If ever lose to a possible threat, all those will be gone and he needs to start doing some efforts to get back on track.

Either way, I think that would not be the case here, I hope so, and Spence will go all out to face Crawford.

If there's a pressure coming from those who are handling the money making process, Spence and his camp

might take a look at it and consider the offer, though we don't have any update yet or maybe they are really playing it well
for more fans, to be eager to call for these fights to happen.

More free advertisement from streamers and social media influencers calling for these two to meet inside the ring will
generate more interest and more money, both from the boxing and gambling industries.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 10, 2022, 09:00:05 PM

From what I read, Spence says that he doesn't need Crawford because he has cemented his legacy. He has 3 belts, has better resume that Crawford, can generated huge PPV numbers and other reasons (excuses?).

Nevertheless, I would agree that to really put your name in the 147 lbs, he needs to get all the belts under his waist and call him the best. Otherwise, it will be a big question mark on his career, a big what if scenario if he decided not to chase Crawford anymore.

Maybe the legacy means for Spence is Money > Fame lol.

It's like no threats should be risks to maintain and continue the benefits he is getting on his current status. If ever lose to a possible threat, all those will be gone and he needs to start doing some efforts to get back on track.

Either way, I think that would not be the case here, I hope so, and Spence will go all out to face Crawford.

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Quote from: chaser15 on August 10, 2022, 09:16:52 AM

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^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

That was the time when there's no clear chance that he will fight Crawford. But on the other hand, Crawford also like to face Charlo at 154 lbs. If they have the same target and if these Crawford vs Spence won't be organized officially, I wonder who will face Jermell Charlo.

It's just a waste moment for me that we will not see this big fight if ever things not worked out properly. I don't see any reason why this fight should not happened. Spence even mentioned before that there's no thing on their way for this fight not to happened. Crawford on the other hand has also the same view that his fight against Spence will really happened.

But even both boxers are positive that their fight will soon happened, we still don't see any good news about the progress of this fight.

Yes, there's indeed no reason why this fight won't materialize this year because both boxers are already free and they both need each other to be an undisputed boxer in the welterweight division. Crawford waited for this fight for a long time now and Spence himself said that he will go and grab Crawford's belt next, I wonder why it takes really long for this fight to be announced. People are already anxious about this, I hope the fans, uncluding us here won't be left hanging because of the expectation.

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Quote from: Jating on August 10, 2022, 06:13:05 PM

Yeah but it seems that someone wanted to derail this fight again for many reasons. And maybe that's where their supposedly plan B is already moving rounds on the media as to who is their opponents in 147 or 154.

Fans are initially very happy that finally a mega fight at 147 lbs will happen, for unification fight. And I guess this is the first time after many years that he will see this kind of magnitude, all the belts in the line. But long as what is happening right now, seems the fight negotiation is not moving.

No update yet in terms of what might be the progress of the negotiations between these two camps.

Still positive that Spence will also adjust aside from how Crawford is willing to do his part, fans will surely enjoy once
there's update from the camp of both Crawford and Spence..

Still a rolling negotiations and still unsure if the fight will take place or both will move to an alternative option to avoid
fighting with each other.

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