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legendary
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August 29, 2022, 06:58:14 PM
They speculate to fight on October so lets hope that there will be an issue since Spence is totally eager to make this fight to happen and the only for seen problem here is with Top Rank which I think manage Crawford. If they announce that match sealed up for sure fans will get hype between this big match up.

I think the fight will happen in November, not in October. Since if it's in October, we should now expect to have an announcement right now. It's better for me to have the fight happening that month for more exposure. Even though there's already hype on this fight, a big hype is expected to receive once the fight will now happens officially.

We just need to wait patiently for the official announcement.

EDIT: According to the progressing story here on Bleacherrepport website, the fight is somewhere going to happen on November 12 or 19 according to Boxing insider Dan Rafael
legendary
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August 29, 2022, 06:49:25 PM
The rematch will happen if they are after the money and grant the wish of the fans, regardless of who will win the fight, it's still interesting to see a rematch. I guess let's focus first of the possibility or a chance that this fight will become into reality, and we can talk about a rematch later.

The fight is being the wish of the fans for a long and this fight is likely will generate a big money but still, there are lots of hindrances to making this fight official. It means the possibility of a rematch will have the same status. Definitely, the winner of this fight will now finally move to 154 lbs because that was their respective goal. Crawford will move up if this fight won't materialize while Spence is willing to move up too even not having a fight with Crawford.

See the picture here? They don't bother with each other if this won't really happen.

Going back to the fight, this fight will happen by high chance based on the last article I posted here from a good and reliable source.

They speculate to fight on October so lets hope that there will be an issue since Spence is totally eager to make this fight to happen and the only for seen problem here is with Top Rank which I think manage Crawford. If they announce that match sealed up for sure fans will get hype between this big match up.
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August 29, 2022, 06:37:02 PM
The rematch will happen if they are after the money and grant the wish of the fans, regardless of who will win the fight, it's still interesting to see a rematch. I guess let's focus first of the possibility or a chance that this fight will become into reality, and we can talk about a rematch later.

The fight is being the wish of the fans for a long and this fight is likely will generate a big money but still, there are lots of hindrances to making this fight official. It means the possibility of a rematch will have the same status. Definitely, the winner of this fight will now finally move to 154 lbs because that was their respective goal. Crawford will move up if this fight won't materialize while Spence is willing to move up too even not having a fight with Crawford.

See the picture here? They don't bother with each other if this won't really happen.

Going back to the fight, this fight will happen by high chance based on the last article I posted here from a good and reliable source.
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August 29, 2022, 09:50:16 AM
I think I'll disagree with that, for sure either Crawford or Spence will chase for that rematch if in-case it's not really clear who really dominates the fight as the fight did end with a decision but if it's a KO/TKO then I think there would be no rematch needed at all even if a rematch clause is written in their contract. A rematch can happen for sure but the people won't be that interested to see anymore because it's already clear to them who won because as I said the match has ended by a TKO/KO.

This fight was struggling to become a reality for several years. What's worst for a rematch? Cheesy Maybe it will take several years again. But seriously, if either of them will win, I think too that no rematch will happened since their respective goal is to moved up weight.

Just for speculation:

if Spence win = no rematch since as everyone always says, Spence always dodge Crawford. Now that he beat Crawford, no reason for a rematch.
if Crawford win = there will be rematch since as always Crawford accepts any challenges for his legacy.



The rematch will happen if they are after the money and grant the wish of the fans, regardless of who will win the fight, it's still interesting to see a rematch. I guess let's focus first of the possibility or a chance that this fight will become into reality, and we can talk about a rematch later.

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But correct me if I'm wrong, after a unification match where one becomes finally the undisputed champion, it's unlikely to have a rematch between them right? Since the undisputed champion will now moved on to his next goal. Correct me on this.

If the undisputed champion wants to play safe, no rematch is gonna happen.
legendary
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August 29, 2022, 09:15:08 AM
It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.

We never know, because that always depends on the winner if he will give a rematch, that's why to ensure a rematch will happen, it should be written in the contract. One example is the fight between Mayweather and Pacman, for some, they think it was a close fight, and both could make huge money again if Mayweather gave a rematch, but he choose not to fight again just to ensure he will keep his undefeated record.

Right, I would say that the public will demand for it if the fight is close, but we will have to see how the first fight is going to be good. Although they have both plans to move up in 154 lbs chances are they will have to wait for the pulse of the boxing fans regardless of who is going to win. Mayweather is afraid that he will lost in the rematch because Manny is not 100% that's why he refuses and just ok with doing some exhibitions to make the same money, less risk for Floyd.
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August 28, 2022, 08:16:21 AM
It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.

We never know, because that always depends on the winner if he will give a rematch, that's why to ensure a rematch will happen, it should be written in the contract. One example is the fight between Mayweather and Pacman, for some, they think it was a close fight, and both could make huge money again if Mayweather gave a rematch, but he choose not to fight again just to ensure he will keep his undefeated record.

Just curious. Maybe handlers are now doing that deal in regard to rematch, after realizing what happened with

Mayweather and Pacquiao both are hot and very sensation during those prime years, but the camp of Mayweather did not
give Pacquiao a chance to have another fight.

With the type of Crawford and Spence where there are many sponsors and advertisement the camp may include these rematch
from the contract that they will going to sign.

That would benefit the promoters more but it's necessary since it's a big fight. If a boxer refuses to rematch after a win, he can be sued since it's written in the contract, so he has no choice but to fight, and if he losses, then most likely a trilogy is gonna happen. With that possibility, it's good for the boxing community as we all know both fighters have a huge number of fans.
legendary
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August 28, 2022, 07:49:03 AM
It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.

We never know, because that always depends on the winner if he will give a rematch, that's why to ensure a rematch will happen, it should be written in the contract. One example is the fight between Mayweather and Pacman, for some, they think it was a close fight, and both could make huge money again if Mayweather gave a rematch, but he choose not to fight again just to ensure he will keep his undefeated record.

Just curious. Maybe handlers are now doing that deal in regard to rematch, after realizing what happened with

Mayweather and Pacquiao both are hot and very sensation during those prime years, but the camp of Mayweather did not
give Pacquiao a chance to have another fight.

With the type of Crawford and Spence where there are many sponsors and advertisement the camp may include these rematch
from the contract that they will going to sign.
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August 28, 2022, 03:44:12 AM
It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.

We never know, because that always depends on the winner if he will give a rematch, that's why to ensure a rematch will happen, it should be written in the contract. One example is the fight between Mayweather and Pacman, for some, they think it was a close fight, and both could make huge money again if Mayweather gave a rematch, but he choose not to fight again just to ensure he will keep his undefeated record.

To ensure a rematch, I agree that a rematch clause is important, and it would also give a chance to the loser especially if the result is very controversial. Though both fighters have a great record, both undefeated, we expect it a close fight, but anything could happen, if one gets hurt, it's possible we will see a KO, so it will end up not a close fight.
legendary
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August 28, 2022, 03:09:48 AM
It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.

We never know, because that always depends on the winner if he will give a rematch, that's why to ensure a rematch will happen, it should be written in the contract. One example is the fight between Mayweather and Pacman, for some, they think it was a close fight, and both could make huge money again if Mayweather gave a rematch, but he choose not to fight again just to ensure he will keep his undefeated record.
legendary
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August 27, 2022, 08:24:23 PM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

That was the time when there's no clear chance that he will fight Crawford. But on the other hand, Crawford also like to face Charlo at 154 lbs. If they have the same target and if these Crawford vs Spence won't be organized officially, I wonder who will face Jermell Charlo.

It's just a waste moment for me that we will not see this big fight if ever things not worked out properly. I don't see any reason why this fight should not happened. Spence even mentioned before that there's no thing on their way for this fight not to happened. Crawford on the other hand has also the same view that his fight against Spence will really happened.

But even both boxers are positive that their fight will soon happened, we still don't see any good news about the progress of this fight.

Yes, there's indeed no reason why this fight won't materialize this year because both boxers are already free and they both need each other to be an undisputed boxer in the welterweight division. Crawford waited for this fight for a long time now and Spence himself said that he will go and grab Crawford's belt next, I wonder why it takes really long for this fight to be announced. People are already anxious about this, I hope the fans, uncluding us here won't be left hanging because of the expectation.
Well, yes I also think the same as you, both boxers need this fight to show who is the best, and to discuss who can win I already have my doubts, there are many possibilities that it will be Spence and I think most people will go For Spence, Crawford is undoubtedly in one of his best training sessions, or so I intuit, I don't know, but having a game as important as this one, I think CRAWFORD must be at his best, although it is one of his infallible opportunities to be open the doors. open again to more meetings, more opportunities, more money, that's something that should have him very motivated and Spence as well.

It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.

I have a doubt, if there is no clause, then in the same way there can be a rematch, whoever wins? Among the boxing things I have seen many things, like the one that Mayweather asked Pacquiao that he did not want a rematch, even so the clause (if there is one) when they had their fight, can this be made possible too? I don't know, maybe if Pacquiao comes out challenging him in the media, maybe a press conference, is this fight possible? Even so, between Crawford and Spence we could see more action between these two, it would be interesting, whatever the result of that fight, then there will surely be a rematch, and I am one of those who will want to see it.
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August 27, 2022, 03:13:14 PM
It could have a rematch (even if there is no written clause in the initial contract), if the fight is going to be razor sharp close or maybe even in a draw.

But if it's a convincing win, then maybe not, but if there is a huge money involved then again, they could go and fight one more before going up in weight. So I guess the fans will also have a final say and maybe the promoters are going to take that lead from us if they see a demand for it.
legendary
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August 27, 2022, 02:25:58 PM
I think I'll disagree with that, for sure either Crawford or Spence will chase for that rematch if in-case it's not really clear who really dominates the fight as the fight did end with a decision but if it's a KO/TKO then I think there would be no rematch needed at all even if a rematch clause is written in their contract. A rematch can happen for sure but the people won't be that interested to see anymore because it's already clear to them who won because as I said the match has ended by a TKO/KO.

This fight was struggling to become a reality for several years. What's worst for a rematch? Cheesy Maybe it will take several years again. But seriously, if either of them will win, I think too that no rematch will happened since their respective goal is to moved up weight.

Just for speculation:

if Spence win = no rematch since as everyone always says, Spence always dodge Crawford. Now that he beat Crawford, no reason for a rematch.
if Crawford win = there will be rematch since as always Crawford accepts any challenges for his legacy.

But correct me if I'm wrong, after a unification match where one becomes finally the undisputed champion, it's unlikely to have a rematch between them right? Since the undisputed champion will now moved on to his next goal. Correct me on this.
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August 27, 2022, 10:22:41 AM


^^ Venue is also very important for this fight, gamblers will come out on the fight week so hotels and casinos will have to take advantage of it. Again, we have seen Crawford and Floyd in the public together and I reckon it could be in Floyd's hometown and for sure Floyd as well might be indirectly making money out of it. Good if they can add good undercard in this fight, but the selling point is still the main fight. Knowing how deep PBC's stable though, maybe they will have another big name to be included here.

The venue is really important and I'm sure it will be held in a popular arena. But from what I see, since Crawford vs Spence is one of the most awaited fights that was being waited for several years, regardless of the venue, I think it will still have full of live audiences and a big crowd.

A rematch is not likely to happen between these two as they have respective plans now after this fight. The only way we can see a rematch here is if the fight will end up DRAW but I doubt that will happened as both boxers will surely try to get a win here without a question.

I think I'll disagree with that, for sure either Crawford or Spence will chase for that rematch if in-case it's not really clear who really dominates the fight as the fight did end with a decision but if it's a KO/TKO then I think there would be no rematch needed at all even if a rematch clause is written in their contract. A rematch can happen for sure but the people won't be that interested to see anymore because it's already clear to them who won because as I said the match has ended by a TKO/KO.
This is one of the big fight in their career history so Both fighter will do their best in this fight so without a doubt both fighters aiming to win and maybe if this fight ends up with unanimously decisions then for use not just only the fighter want to rematch but also we gamblers and some people around the world want a second fight and want a TKO or KO to determine who is the best among these two undefeated boxers
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August 27, 2022, 10:02:42 AM
^^ Venue is also very important for this fight, gamblers will come out on the fight week so hotels and casinos will have to take advantage of it. Again, we have seen Crawford and Floyd in the public together and I reckon it could be in Floyd's hometown and for sure Floyd as well might be indirectly making money out of it. Good if they can add good undercard in this fight, but the selling point is still the main fight. Knowing how deep PBC's stable though, maybe they will have another big name to be included here.

The venue is really important and I'm sure it will be held in a popular arena. But from what I see, since Crawford vs Spence is one of the most awaited fights that was being waited for several years, regardless of the venue, I think it will still have full of live audiences and a big crowd.

A rematch is not likely to happen between these two as they have respective plans now after this fight. The only way we can see a rematch here is if the fight will end up DRAW but I doubt that will happened as both boxers will surely try to get a win here without a question.

I think I'll disagree with that, for sure either Crawford or Spence will chase for that rematch if in-case it's not really clear who really dominates the fight as the fight did end with a decision but if it's a KO/TKO then I think there would be no rematch needed at all even if a rematch clause is written in their contract. A rematch can happen for sure but the people won't be that interested to see anymore because it's already clear to them who won because as I said the match has ended by a TKO/KO.
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August 27, 2022, 06:55:21 AM

We still have plenty of time, and I believe as the fans are calling their attention, they will eventually make an announcement about the finality of the fight.
I know that, but if we don't have a positive development, I'm afraid we will only be left speculating.

Be optimistic my friend, this fight is not rumored for nothing, we are speculating but we must remain positive. The biggest fight this year, possibly, so it will give us the kind of entertainment that we are wanting to see.

Hey @wheelz1200, can I request you put a poll?

I'm sure the votes will be very close.
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August 26, 2022, 10:34:27 AM
The projected match is middle of November and people are also anticipating a Usyk - Fury showdown this year, I hope these two championships and the undisputed fights will happen before the end of the year,  its two battle of undefeated and undisputed in two weight categories, if these happens we can call this the best year in boxing and one of these matches can become the fight of the year, next week it's September and we have four months before the end of the year before promoters and fighters make it happen.

I like to witnessed that, but the Usyk vs Fury showdown is not yet finalized, this fight is more hype so it should happen first.
Promoters are confident the fight will happen,
https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/8/23/23319069/promoters-confident-tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-fight-will-happen-boxing-news-2022

Usyk and Fury are not like these two boxers (Crawford and Spence), they would agree with the terms easily because they are very eager to fight the best, now that Fury beaten the best which was Wilder and Usyk seemed to be standing in his way, he would excite the world again in this big fight.

We still have plenty of time, and I believe as the fans are calling their attention, they will eventually make an announcement about the finality of the fight.
I know that, but if we don't have a positive development, I'm afraid we will only be left speculating.
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August 26, 2022, 09:16:02 AM
The projected match is middle of November and people are also anticipating a Usyk - Fury showdown this year, I hope these two championships and the undisputed fights will happen before the end of the year,  its two battle of undefeated and undisputed in two weight categories, if these happens we can call this the best year in boxing and one of these matches can become the fight of the year, next week it's September and we have four months before the end of the year before promoters and fighters make it happen.

I like to witnessed that, but the Usyk vs Fury showdown is not yet finalized, this fight is more hype so it should happen first. We still have plenty of time, and I believe as the fans are calling their attention, they will eventually make an announcement about the finality of the fight.
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August 26, 2022, 09:11:40 AM
The projected match is middle of November and people are also anticipating a Usyk - Fury showdown this year, I hope these two championships and the undisputed fights will happen before the end of the year,  its two battle of undefeated and undisputed in two weight categories, if these happens we can call this the best year in boxing and one of these matches can become the fight of the year, next week it's September and we have four months before the end of the year before promoters and fighters make it happen.
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August 26, 2022, 08:59:11 AM
^^ I don't think there is "testing of waters", they know already  that it will be big, and so it boils down to money. Maybe not the boxers directly as they could be settled on "XX amount of dollars as guarantee", but it's more on the people behind them, their Promotional Company and the Network executives, they might be recomputing the risk involved as well, like PPV numbers because for sure it will be illegally stream, thus cutting what will they got as revenues and it will be enough to make them huge profits as well because we all know that boxing is a business.

Agree to that, they are computing the potential profits before both camps will agree to any settlement, they both know that the

risk in terms of careers is very high and with the big hypes under their names they needed  to make sure that the profits that they will be

getting from this possible big fights will guarantee both camps for huge amount of money. It's a business and promoters and handlers

will take all the cut from each venue of possible money making side.

We know that already, they can make a big amount of money in this fight, but if there greediness will come in and they won't agree with one getting a bigger share, then there's a possibility that the fight will not happen, but the chance is very low IMO.

I would not think of that chance as we have been speculating so much, so this fight should happen soon. Both fighters believe they are the number 1 in their division, so they have to prove that in the ring. Too much demand about the purse or income in this fight is not good, one should accept a lower cut and don't think it's not fair so we will see a very entertaining fight.
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August 26, 2022, 08:02:41 AM
^^ I don't think there is "testing of waters", they know already  that it will be big, and so it boils down to money. Maybe not the boxers directly as they could be settled on "XX amount of dollars as guarantee", but it's more on the people behind them, their Promotional Company and the Network executives, they might be recomputing the risk involved as well, like PPV numbers because for sure it will be illegally stream, thus cutting what will they got as revenues and it will be enough to make them huge profits as well because we all know that boxing is a business.

Agree to that, they are computing the potential profits before both camps will agree to any settlement, they both know that the

risk in terms of careers is very high and with the big hypes under their names they needed  to make sure that the profits that they will be

getting from this possible big fights will guarantee both camps for huge amount of money. It's a business and promoters and handlers

will take all the cut from each venue of possible money making side.

We know that already, they can make a big amount of money in this fight, but if there greediness will come in and they won't agree with one getting a bigger share, then there's a possibility that the fight will not happen, but the chance is very low IMO.
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