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August 10, 2022, 11:19:40 PM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

That was the time when there's no clear chance that he will fight Crawford. But on the other hand, Crawford also like to face Charlo at 154 lbs. If they have the same target and if these Crawford vs Spence won't be organized officially, I wonder who will face Jermell Charlo.

It's just a waste moment for me that we will not see this big fight if ever things not worked out properly. I don't see any reason why this fight should not happened. Spence even mentioned before that there's no thing on their way for this fight not to happened. Crawford on the other hand has also the same view that his fight against Spence will really happened.

But even both boxers are positive that their fight will soon happened, we still don't see any good news about the progress of this fight.

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

From what I read, Spence says that he doesn't need Crawford because he has cemented his legacy. He has 3 belts, has better resume that Crawford, can generated huge PPV numbers and other reasons (excuses?).

Nevertheless, I would agree that to really put your name in the 147 lbs, he needs to get all the belts under his waist and call him the best. Otherwise, it will be a big question mark on his career, a big what if scenario if he decided not to chase Crawford anymore.
Spence will fight Jermell if the money is right. I even doubt Spence fights his close friend unless there's a fallout. While both Spence and Jermell are promoted by PBC, it is Crawford that has an easier route to fight Jermell as a WBO welterweight champ privilege unless the undisputed champ vacates his WBO belt which is very possible too.

As for Spence's legacy. He only got 3 belts in a single division. He is not even the lineal and Ring champ. That resume is not enough to enter the Hall of Fame. Crawford's resume is the one that has HoF credentials being a 3 division champion, 2 division lineal and Ring champion, and former undisputed champion.

Will Spence got the balls to fight Crawford for a chance to become an undisputed champ? Or will Spence continue to block Crawford's chance to become the first ever 2 division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era? And there's Spence's friend the undisputed champion Jermell Charlo already saying in public that he will not give Crawford a shot at his undisputed belts. It should not be that hard to see who's the guy clearly chasing a legendary status in boxing.
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August 10, 2022, 09:00:05 PM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

That was the time when there's no clear chance that he will fight Crawford. But on the other hand, Crawford also like to face Charlo at 154 lbs. If they have the same target and if these Crawford vs Spence won't be organized officially, I wonder who will face Jermell Charlo.

It's just a waste moment for me that we will not see this big fight if ever things not worked out properly. I don't see any reason why this fight should not happened. Spence even mentioned before that there's no thing on their way for this fight not to happened. Crawford on the other hand has also the same view that his fight against Spence will really happened.

But even both boxers are positive that their fight will soon happened, we still don't see any good news about the progress of this fight.

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

From what I read, Spence says that he doesn't need Crawford because he has cemented his legacy. He has 3 belts, has better resume that Crawford, can generated huge PPV numbers and other reasons (excuses?).

Nevertheless, I would agree that to really put your name in the 147 lbs, he needs to get all the belts under his waist and call him the best. Otherwise, it will be a big question mark on his career, a big what if scenario if he decided not to chase Crawford anymore.
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August 10, 2022, 06:13:05 PM
Charlo vs Spence will also be very good and this is a very fascinating fight at 154 lbs.

Jermell Charlo against either Errol Spence Jr or Terence Crawford is really good to watch too. We are talking about all big names here. But before deciding to move up a weight class, it's necessary for Spence and Crawford to finish the business first at 147lbs.

That's the only thing left they need to achieve, to become undisputed at 147lbs. I like Jermell Charlo not showing any interest between Spence and Crawford, for now, since one of these two should be the Welterweight King first before they moved up to face him.

It's also not possible for either Spence and Crawford to face Charlo if their fight failed to negotiate as Charlo already has an upcoming match in January next year.

after all these long discussions about spence & crawford fight, it may not happen for so many reasons from both camps. i do agree that before either one of them will move up to a higher weight class, they need to settle first their business at 147. we don't know exactly which one is causing this not to happen, but if they do really want this to happen, they will find a way to push thru this match.

Yeah but it seems that someone wanted to derail this fight again for many reasons. And maybe that's where their supposedly plan B is already moving rounds on the media as to who is their opponents in 147 or 154.

Fans are initially very happy that finally a mega fight at 147 lbs will happen, for unification fight. And I guess this is the first time after many years that he will see this kind of magnitude, all the belts in the line. But long as what is happening right now, seems the fight negotiation is not moving.
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August 10, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Charlo vs Spence will also be very good and this is a very fascinating fight at 154 lbs.

Jermell Charlo against either Errol Spence Jr or Terence Crawford is really good to watch too. We are talking about all big names here. But before deciding to move up a weight class, it's necessary for Spence and Crawford to finish the business first at 147lbs.

That's the only thing left they need to achieve, to become undisputed at 147lbs. I like Jermell Charlo not showing any interest between Spence and Crawford, for now, since one of these two should be the Welterweight King first before they moved up to face him.

It's also not possible for either Spence and Crawford to face Charlo if their fight failed to negotiate as Charlo already has an upcoming match in January next year.

after all these long discussions about spence & crawford fight, it may not happen for so many reasons from both camps. i do agree that before either one of them will move up to a higher weight class, they need to settle first their business at 147. we don't know exactly which one is causing this not to happen, but if they do really want this to happen, they will find a way to push thru this match.
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August 10, 2022, 05:58:01 PM

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

Yeah! is aiming for profit in the future and in this fight, you won't know who could win it until they begin to fight inside the ring and Crawford has the chance to snatch the win Spence as well. If that's what happened, then his plan will be successful because what comes after that is multiple offers and he will call the split percentage earnings in his next fight. Right now, his focus should be on the fight and he really needs to come up with a good strategy to beat Spence.

I'm sure he is capable of beating Spence, but the most important is that he should accept what Spence likes for now because he is at the top. I believe Crawford receiving a lower percentage of the total purse and revenue is the only way this fight would happen.

I'm certain though that Crawford is not demanding too much because he knows that Spence holds the table for that as he has 3 belts in his possession while Crawford only has 1 belt. Crawford only wanted this fight to happen this year because he is not getting any younger, I don't think he also care that Spence will have that bigger slice of the cake.
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August 10, 2022, 05:52:37 PM
Charlo vs Spence will also be very good and this is a very fascinating fight at 154 lbs.

Jermell Charlo against either Errol Spence Jr or Terence Crawford is really good to watch too. We are talking about all big names here. But before deciding to move up a weight class, it's necessary for Spence and Crawford to finish the business first at 147lbs.

That's the only thing left they need to achieve, to become undisputed at 147lbs. I like Jermell Charlo not showing any interest between Spence and Crawford, for now, since one of these two should be the Welterweight King first before they moved up to face him.

It's also not possible for either Spence and Crawford to face Charlo if their fight failed to negotiate as Charlo already has an upcoming match in January next year.
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August 10, 2022, 04:02:04 PM
Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

I'm not aware that Spence is doing excuses for this fight not to happened. Both sides are even silent.

Are you talking about today's negotiation and Spence is doing excuses? Or you are referring to the previous attempts to organize this fight?

If you are referring to Spence's excuses in today's negotiations, can you provide a link for that? I tried to search for it but found nothing. What I see is only a lack of information about the status of this fight and that article shared above.
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August 10, 2022, 01:08:07 PM

Anyways, this is the fresh update we got so far:

Errol Spence Vs. Terence Crawford Near Completion For Nov.12th Or Nov.19th

This catch my attention in the article: "There’s no word what the purse splits are for Spence & Crawford, and it’s possible we may never find out."



If you're not aware, Spence has been ducking elite opponent and are only fighting when he know he can dominate.
This fight against Crawford, nothing is standing on their way or something that'll hold on for this fight to happen.
Crawford is always ready to fight as soon as possible. But look, why does this match has not been set yet?
I'm wondering what is holding this time after Crawford announced that there's no promotion company that's holding him back and he's free whatever he wants and whoever he wants to fight. Obviously, it would be Spence.

We can apply your statement about Spence maybe before but from what I see this time, Spence and Crawford will really make this happened for real. It's just that we are clueless about the progress and both camps are also silent about that.

If Spence is really doing some attempt to avoid this blockbuster unification fight against Crawford, we should already see some trashtalks from Crawford by now about Spence doing some shitty things to not let their fight happened. We know Crawford and won't hesitate to tell the public if Spence is doing some actions to delay the fight. Telling the public about it will give pressure to Spence but Crawford is just silent too.
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August 10, 2022, 09:31:01 AM

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.

If you're not aware, Spence has been ducking elite opponent and are only fighting when he know he can dominate.
This fight against Crawford, nothing is standing on their way or something that'll hold on for this fight to happen.
Crawford is always ready to fight as soon as possible. But look, why does this match has not been set yet?
I'm wondering what is holding this time after Crawford announced that there's no promotion company that's holding him back and he's free whatever he wants and whoever he wants to fight. Obviously, it would be Spence.
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August 10, 2022, 09:23:23 AM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

That was the time when there's no clear chance that he will fight Crawford. But on the other hand, Crawford also like to face Charlo at 154 lbs. If they have the same target and if these Crawford vs Spence won't be organized officially, I wonder who will face Jermell Charlo.

It's just a waste moment for me that we will not see this big fight if ever things not worked out properly. I don't see any reason why this fight should not happened. Spence even mentioned before that there's no thing on their way for this fight not to happened. Crawford on the other hand has also the same view that his fight against Spence will really happened.

But even both boxers are positive that their fight will soon happened, we still don't see any good news about the progress of this fight.

Spence should stop making excuses, he should focus on his fight with Crawford and make sure it will happen his year. There's no reason that they will move when one of them cannot be an undisputed champion, I hope they will not be greedy, it's time to give the fans what we are hoping to see.
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August 10, 2022, 09:16:52 AM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

That was the time when there's no clear chance that he will fight Crawford. But on the other hand, Crawford also like to face Charlo at 154 lbs. If they have the same target and if these Crawford vs Spence won't be organized officially, I wonder who will face Jermell Charlo.

It's just a waste moment for me that we will not see this big fight if ever things not worked out properly. I don't see any reason why this fight should not happened. Spence even mentioned before that there's no thing on their way for this fight not to happened. Crawford on the other hand has also the same view that his fight against Spence will really happened.

But even both boxers are positive that their fight will soon happened, we still don't see any good news about the progress of this fight.
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August 10, 2022, 07:36:14 AM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

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As for a fight with Charlo: “I think so. If it makes money, why not?

“We’re brothers, so brothers are supposed to break bread. We’ll cross that bridge.

Well there's nothing wrong with Crawford moving up to 154 pounds as well, but I think he will be too small on that division.

Anyway, let's do hope that this fight will happen, whether 147 or 154 pounds.
Probably he wanted a money fight, so whatever division he is willing to take the call and fight.

But fans are surely waiting for Spence vs Crawford to happen. It's more exciting seeing both champs inside the same ring
and fighting each other, a matchup that has been waiting and still aiming to take place.

Let's wait for any update and see if Crawford will be moving or will stay on his original weight..

It will depend on the outcome of the negotiations, and as of this time, it seems everyone is so quiet and we haven't heard any update from either side.

And so this two might have a plan B if ever this fight slide off for the meantime. There will be no challenge for either though, maybe Thurman or Vergil Ortiz but fans wanted this two to fight and unify the belts and make this a super fight.

Charlo vs Spence will also be very good and this is a very fascinating fight at 154 lbs.
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August 10, 2022, 01:59:49 AM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

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As for a fight with Charlo: “I think so. If it makes money, why not?

“We’re brothers, so brothers are supposed to break bread. We’ll cross that bridge.

Well there's nothing wrong with Crawford moving up to 154 pounds as well, but I think he will be too small on that division.

Anyway, let's do hope that this fight will happen, whether 147 or 154 pounds.
Probably he wanted a money fight, so whatever division he is willing to take the call and fight.

But fans are surely waiting for Spence vs Crawford to happen. It's more exciting seeing both champs inside the same ring
and fighting each other, a matchup that has been waiting and still aiming to take place.

Let's wait for any update and see if Crawford will be moving or will stay on his original weight..
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August 09, 2022, 09:34:23 PM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, it was Spence who said that if this fight fell off, he might go up to 154 pounds and fight Charlo for his belt, they are close though, so this fight is going to be in intriguing match up.

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/errol-spence-jr-ill-fight-jermell-charlo-if-the-money-is-right/qjic7626975v1ougby4lhrgsq

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As for a fight with Charlo: “I think so. If it makes money, why not?

“We’re brothers, so brothers are supposed to break bread. We’ll cross that bridge.

Well there's nothing wrong with Crawford moving up to 154 pounds as well, but I think he will be too small on that division.

Anyway, let's do hope that this fight will happen, whether 147 or 154 pounds.
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August 09, 2022, 04:03:09 PM
Any wild forecast and news about the status of this fight?

According to my backread here, seems no good progress till now and everyone is still hanging.

Or I just miss some news that there's progress now? Can anyone share it?

Yes, seems that there is no progress in their must awaited fight and we aren't that sure yet that this fight will really materialize this year. If we search for updates or progress about the Spence-Crawford fight on the internet, we can see that there are new articles that have surfaced but the bottom line is that the fight is still in the works.

Crawford must do something if he's eager to have a fight this year before he gets inactive for a year now. About that, he said that he's looking forward to fighting Jermell Charlo if this undisputed bout won't go through this year.

Yes, seems that there is no really fresh news around about the progress of the fight. I also did my own research of mine but like anyone else, I don't see such big news or even a hint from anywhere that the fight is really closed to happening. Regarding your last statement, I also read elsewhere before that the name Jermell Charlo is being linked to Terence Crawford but since there's no news or even speculation that Crawford will take Charlo instead, therefore the negotiation with Spence's Camp is still underdoing.

The speculation of this fight is set to date on September or October, right? We can now disregard the chances of the fight happening next month. October still has a chance if the negotiations will be successfully take place this month. The worst is, no news until the end of the year lol.

There is now news about Terence Crawford going against Jermell Charlo in the higher division for now but Crawford said that he might go if he will sense that this undergoing discussion with Spence's camp won't be certain in the weeks to come, for now let's just hope that this fight will really happen because we really waited for this to happen and this is the nearest case we had.

Yes, their fight is said to happen somewhere in October in Las Vegas but that is just an if for now as we don't have any news regarding this undisputed fight.
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August 09, 2022, 09:59:15 AM

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

Yeah! is aiming for profit in the future and in this fight, you won't know who could win it until they begin to fight inside the ring and Crawford has the chance to snatch the win Spence as well. If that's what happened, then his plan will be successful because what comes after that is multiple offers and he will call the split percentage earnings in his next fight. Right now, his focus should be on the fight and he really needs to come up with a good strategy to beat Spence.

I'm sure he is capable of beating Spence, but the most important is that he should accept what Spence likes for now because he is at the top. I believe Crawford receiving a lower percentage of the total purse and revenue is the only way this fight would happen.

I agree, it's all on Crawford. If he really wanted to make this fight happen, he needs to adjust and accept whatever Spence demands

though both are champions and the cut might be negotiate they just need to meet somewhere not in between as Spence wanted the bigger slice

and for the fight to happen, Crawford should make a statement to force Spence to sit and sign the contract.
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August 09, 2022, 06:24:56 AM

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

Yeah! is aiming for profit in the future and in this fight, you won't know who could win it until they begin to fight inside the ring and Crawford has the chance to snatch the win Spence as well. If that's what happened, then his plan will be successful because what comes after that is multiple offers and he will call the split percentage earnings in his next fight. Right now, his focus should be on the fight and he really needs to come up with a good strategy to beat Spence.

I'm sure he is capable of beating Spence, but the most important is that he should accept what Spence likes for now because he is at the top. I believe Crawford receiving a lower percentage of the total purse and revenue is the only way this fight would happen.
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August 09, 2022, 12:38:12 AM

That's what Crawford should agree, this is a big fight but he is not in the position to demand a split purse, getting 40% is big enough though because if he wins, sure this is not going to be his last fight and he will be having big fights in the future which could potentially bring him more money.

Yeah! is aiming for profit in the future and in this fight, you won't know who could win it until they begin to fight inside the ring and Crawford has the chance to snatch the win Spence as well. If that's what happened, then his plan will be successful because what comes after that is multiple offers and he will call the split percentage earnings in his next fight. Right now, his focus should be on the fight and he really needs to come up with a good strategy to beat Spence.
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August 08, 2022, 10:32:56 PM
Ok, this is just my thoughts, I think it boils down to the guaranteed money for either boxer. I'm not sure of the numbers but we haven't seen 1 million buys for a long time isn't it? And then the PPV is going to be expensive in this one, like $80.00. Is fans willing to pay that much or would rather look for other venues to watch it for free? (just like the majority of us here). So the networks maybe can't guarantee how much they are going to give them in terms of the PPV. Even the Canelo fights are not that generating at least 1 million PPV, he is the cash cow right now. So this could be in the tune of like 500,000-600,000 which might fall to the expectation of networks.

It is really about the money. We are not even sure if Crawford and Spence already agreed on the purse split. What you mentioned might be the main issue here. I read an interview with Bob Arum last week and he also mentioned the ongoing issues with boxers' purse guarantees. The problem with illegal streams. And the current covid and Ukraine war that put the world economy into crisis. I know a lot of people hate Bob Arum and I am not also a fan of Arum. But what he said were facts. Imagine Canelo received more or less than $50 million and another $5 million to Bivol. And the fight only generated 500,000 PPV buys?  

Right, it's all about the piracy - illegal streamers that really hurt the PPV numbers of some of the great fights in the last couple of years. And it's really hard to crack them, I mean they are all over the social media so even as hard as the networks trying to sue and bring them down legally, it will be very hard. So the money might not be enough for this two, as they are elite and demanding more. But how can promotion and network do that if the PPV numbers will not do good? In the past, Manny can have some unknown dance partner and still generated a good PPV numbers around 300,000 to 500,000 buys.

They cannot eliminate those illegal streamers as they are everywhere, however, they can still make a lot of money because people living in developed countries can certainly afford to buy a PPV, so why would they rely on the illegal streams that can be interrupted anytime. Also, this PPV is not available worldwide, so some has no choice but to look for illegal streams just to be able to watch the fight.

It's not just the illegal streamers, its' about the price as well. This fight could be in the $80.00, so as what they have been saying, we are in recession, do you think people are willing to pay that much, like us casual fans? Or course, there could be fans that are willing. But I just imagine ordinary fans would look for free and they might have to go to illegal streamers.

And we all know that piracy is a booming business for this people, it's a billion dollar industry and for sure boxing network are taking a big hit as far as revenue goes.

The price that is not affordable on poor countries, in US and in other major countries, they can afford that as they are making like over $10 per hour, but in other countries, $10 is their per day salary, see a big difference? But as a fan, we love to see the fight so we will find a way to watch it even on an illegal way.
We cannot really blame them to watch the fight with the means of illegal streamers because they cannot really afford that $80 and that is the unfortunate reality of the fans that mostly lived in not-so-modern countries where the salaries are not that big either. They are just happy to see the fight and cheer for their boxer even if the reception or quality is not that good as the stream is illegal.

For many fans it is difficult to get 80USD, more when we realize that it is a fight that has been waited for so long, I think from the deepest part of me, that a true fan will look for the money in any way, of course this without stopping eating or to hit their own, although it seems to me that not only is the sport being monopolized, but also if you do not have sufficient resources to watch the fight, it is better to go to a bar where the fight will be broadcast and enjoy it with a couple of beers, that I would, and I know it would save me much more money, but for those who don't think like me, and have or get the money, they would look for a way to have it at home from their own comfort.

Oscar dela Hoya of Golden Boy says or at least inserted into the picture his 147 lbs fighter in the discussion and that is Vergil Ortiz Jr, who won the WBA eliminator. That if this fight is not going to be made, then Ortiz is willing to step up as he is the mandatory for the WBA by Spence. So we shall see, it's going to be a huge setback for us boxing fans if the deal is off for now. As we will have to wait, and chances are it can't happen as either have plans as well.

so now, it is more on the fight of the jr's here - ortiz jr vs spence jr. well, i guess, these promoters are just hyping up the crawford vs spence to generate tons of money. but they should not wait too long as their boxers are not getting any younger. don't wait like the mayweather-pacquiao fight. it seems both camps didn't agree with their respective requests. or they feel it is not getting much attention that will fill all their pockets?

Well, the truth is that it doesn't surprise me, it is known that every boxing fight is behind a lot of money, oh and it doesn't seem so impossible to me if the fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather happens that was actually pending and that Mayweather doesn't want to do it out of fear, yes in every fight what moves it is the business model so lucrative it is because they still do not receive a good offer to be worthwhile and can be done, here and for a long time, money is above sport, and not Only on a professional level, I would say that in every sense it is what is managed the most, it is sad because there is some corruption, but things work that way.
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August 08, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
Oscar dela Hoya of Golden Boy says or at least inserted into the picture his 147 lbs fighter in the discussion and that is Vergil Ortiz Jr, who won the WBA eliminator. That if this fight is not going to be made, then Ortiz is willing to step up as he is the mandatory for the WBA by Spence. So we shall see, it's going to be a huge setback for us boxing fans if the deal is off for now. As we will have to wait, and chances are it can't happen as either have plans as well.

so now, it is more on the fight of the jr's here - ortiz jr vs spence jr. well, i guess, these promoters are just hyping up the crawford vs spence to generate tons of money. but they should not wait too long as their boxers are not getting any younger. don't wait like the mayweather-pacquiao fight. it seems both camps didn't agree with their respective requests. or they feel it is not getting much attention that will fill all their pockets?
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