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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 13, 2022, 04:54:21 AM
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Quote from: Darker45 on May 12, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
I'd also love to watch this fight. This has to happen sooner rather than later. This should happen while both are still in their prime and are undefeated. The moment either one of them gets a stain in his record, this fight wouldn't anymore be as anticipated and exciting.

As regards the odds, I think Crawford will be the favorite but the difference won't be that big. As regards who will possibly win, I think Crawford will.

Both men fought Porter and while Spence only won via split decision, Crawford won via TKO. In their match with Brook also, Spence knocked him out in the 11th while Crawford in the 4th. This is, of course, not a solid basis but I think, on the overall, Crawford has a much higher boxing IQ than Spence.

I agree with the boxing IQ, I would favor Crawford for that as it was evident in his previous fights. I mean he can adjust in the middle and then knock out his opponent. He can go to southpaw and orthodox and still be very effective.

So he might be a slight favor here, maybe 1.7 initially or higher and then Crawford 2.x but it will get closer as we near the fight of course as fans of Crawford might put big money that could sway the odds.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 08:23:24 PM
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I'd also love to watch this fight. This has to happen sooner rather than later. This should happen while both are still in their prime and are undefeated. The moment either one of them gets a stain in his record, this fight wouldn't anymore be as anticipated and exciting.

As regards the odds, I think Crawford will be the favorite but the difference won't be that big. As regards who will possibly win, I think Crawford will.

Both men fought Porter and while Spence only won via split decision, Crawford won via TKO. In their match with Brook also, Spence knocked him out in the 11th while Crawford in the 4th. This is, of course, not a solid basis but I think, on the overall, Crawford has a much higher boxing IQ than Spence.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 06:57:57 PM
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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 12, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
Quote from: goinmerry on May 12, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: mirakal on May 12, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
We cannot exactly know if Spence and Crawford did have some plans to have some fight but if they were in the talks in the past, maybe the reason why it haven't happen is because they don't agree with each other's terms and probably the purse cut as we know that Spence won't accept anything below 60%. Especially now that he defeated Ugas.

I think the situation is different now and there should be no problem now for Crawford to accept a much lower split. Spence deserves the 60/40 split based on the status of their revenue in their previous boxing matches. As Arum considered, Spence is the King of PPV, and the majority of Spence's PPV is blockbuster and sold out.

Crawford just needs to accept it since as soon as he beat Spence, then he can demand a much more split on his future fight.

I think Crawford has no choice right now, if he wanted to fight Spence Jr, then a 40% offer is already good in my opinion.

Accept the money and then beat Spence Jr, to proved that you are the best. If there is such a rematch then obviously you will now be the A-side of the fight. And you can demand higher split and the tables could turn.

40% is indeed fare split to be honest Spence has more popular in terms of sales and organizer usually consider that for profit sharing distribution. I agree that he needs to prove himself by beating Spence before he can demand more shares. I believe he can request for 60% or higher in case he manage to win and Spence request for a rematch.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
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Quote from: goinmerry on May 12, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: mirakal on May 12, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
We cannot exactly know if Spence and Crawford did have some plans to have some fight but if they were in the talks in the past, maybe the reason why it haven't happen is because they don't agree with each other's terms and probably the purse cut as we know that Spence won't accept anything below 60%. Especially now that he defeated Ugas.

I think the situation is different now and there should be no problem now for Crawford to accept a much lower split. Spence deserves the 60/40 split based on the status of their revenue in their previous boxing matches. As Arum considered, Spence is the King of PPV, and the majority of Spence's PPV is blockbuster and sold out.

Crawford just needs to accept it since as soon as he beat Spence, then he can demand a much more split on his future fight.

I think Crawford has no choice right now, if he wanted to fight Spence Jr, then a 40% offer is already good in my opinion.

Accept the money and then beat Spence Jr, to proved that you are the best. If there is such a rematch then obviously you will now be the A-side of the fight. And you can demand higher split and the tables could turn.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
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Quote from: mirakal on May 12, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
We cannot exactly know if Spence and Crawford did have some plans to have some fight but if they were in the talks in the past, maybe the reason why it haven't happen is because they don't agree with each other's terms and probably the purse cut as we know that Spence won't accept anything below 60%. Especially now that he defeated Ugas.

I think the situation is different now and there should be no problem now for Crawford to accept a much lower split. Spence deserves the 60/40 split based on the status of their revenue in their previous boxing matches. As Arum considered, Spence is the King of PPV, and the majority of Spence's PPV is blockbuster and sold out.

Crawford just needs to accept it since as soon as he beat Spence, then he can demand a much more split on his future fight.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 01:37:04 PM
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Quote from: mirakal on May 12, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
We cannot exactly know if Spence and Crawford have some plans to have some fight but if they were in the talks in the past, maybe the reason why the haven't happen is because they don't agree with each other's terms and probably the purse cut as we know that Spence won't accept anything below 60%. Especially now that he defeated Ugas. Thurman's time will come soon and definitely that's not now, maybe soon he can get to fight the loser between Spence and Crawford.

This. It's the money that they can't agree on. Spence would surely want to be paid premium if he is to fight against Crawford now that he has sealed some big wins under his belt. Crawford's camp also wouldn't settle for less, hence they would just look for other fighters that could also bring in the hype and have some promising shares that the said camps can work on.

Only way to make this fight happen is to promote it real hard to make viewers interested that the pay cut no longer matters since they will all get a big fat check in the end.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 12, 2022, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: mirakal on May 05, 2022, 01:25:04 PM
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But I am reading that Thurman wants to fight with Crawford first, so whoever wins will fight Spence.

It's on the news but I think Terence Crawford won't bother with Keith Thurman. Crawford is hungry to face Spence and that should happen as soon as possible.

Spence is almost on the move of stepping up a division and he won't probably wait for another Crawford fight. The statement of Spence is clear that after Ugas, Crawford is the next. If Crawford will face Thurman, I doubt Spence will patiently wait for the result. Time is running that's why Spence will follow his desire and won't wait with anybody regardless if that's a champion or not.
I also thought that very same thing, Terence Crawford has been calling for a fight with Spence Jr. numerous times already that's why I don't seriously think that he will give Thurman that fight first. Thurman can wait because Crawford and Spence fight will materialize soon because the latter is also looking forward to grab that belt, Crawford would not blow this chance because he knows that Spence can always change his mind if he chooses Keith Thurman first.
Well there are a lot of fights to Spence after winning against Ugas. But then again, it seems that his manager is really looking for money fights for Errol.

But for me, the money fight is already in front of them, it should be Terrence Crawford, not going to 154 lbs and fight the champion there. And this fight with Crawford can easily be made because he is no longer under the Top Rank banner. But at the same time though, they shouldn't low ball Crawford. And then blame him after for not accepting the fight.

Exactly! I bet that Spence's camp already have some queued fights after he won, that's why Crawford needs to work things out to make the fight happen like not giving any attention to other boxers so that he will be given his most asked fight before Spence changes his mind as he is the one who's a sought after boxer than him. A 40% offered share would be enough for him as he is not anymore under the roof of Top Rank.

If Crawford is hungry to face Spence because of everything he's been through, especially because of the victory he had against Ugas, I think Thurman is looking for a lot of visibility and to show that if he beats Crawford he could turn the fight with Spence, to My idea of Thurman is to show that if he is above Crawford, Thurman is being seen as that pebble in the shoe, somehow he knew that the Spence thing was going to determine another type of rivalry, although this is not bad, I think there is already a previous planning between Crawford and Spence, I don't think they will go over this fight.

We cannot exactly know if Spence and Crawford did have some plans to have some fight but if they were in the talks in the past, maybe the reason why it haven't happen is because they don't agree with each other's terms and probably the purse cut as we know that Spence won't accept anything below 60%. Especially now that he defeated Ugas. Thurman's time will come soon and definitely that's not now, maybe soon he can get to fight the loser between Spence and Crawford.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 12, 2022, 12:08:09 AM
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Quote from: mirakal on May 05, 2022, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: Kemarit on May 04, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: mirakal on May 04, 2022, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: chaser15 on May 02, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
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But I am reading that Thurman wants to fight with Crawford first, so whoever wins will fight Spence.

It's on the news but I think Terence Crawford won't bother with Keith Thurman. Crawford is hungry to face Spence and that should happen as soon as possible.

Spence is almost on the move of stepping up a division and he won't probably wait for another Crawford fight. The statement of Spence is clear that after Ugas, Crawford is the next. If Crawford will face Thurman, I doubt Spence will patiently wait for the result. Time is running that's why Spence will follow his desire and won't wait with anybody regardless if that's a champion or not.
I also thought that very same thing, Terence Crawford has been calling for a fight with Spence Jr. numerous times already that's why I don't seriously think that he will give Thurman that fight first. Thurman can wait because Crawford and Spence fight will materialize soon because the latter is also looking forward to grab that belt, Crawford would not blow this chance because he knows that Spence can always change his mind if he chooses Keith Thurman first.

Well there are a lot of fights to Spence after winning against Ugas. But then again, it seems that his manager is really looking for money fights for Errol.

But for me, the money fight is already in front of them, it should be Terrence Crawford, not going to 154 lbs and fight the champion there. And this fight with Crawford can easily be made because he is no longer under the Top Rank banner. But at the same time though, they shouldn't low ball Crawford. And then blame him after for not accepting the fight.

Exactly! I bet that Spence's camp already have some queued fights after he won, that's why Crawford needs to work things out to make the fight happen like not giving any attention to other boxers so that he will be given his most asked fight before Spence changes his mind as he is the one who's a sought after boxer than him. A 40% offered share would be enough for him as he is not anymore under the roof of Top Rank.

If Crawford is hungry to face Spence because of everything he's been through, especially because of the victory he had against Ugas, I think Thurman is looking for a lot of visibility and to show that if he beats Crawford he could turn the fight with Spence, to My idea of Thurman is to show that if he is above Crawford, Thurman is being seen as that pebble in the shoe, somehow he knew that the Spence thing was going to determine another type of rivalry, although this is not bad, I think there is already a previous planning between Crawford and Spence, I don't think they will go over this fight.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 01:25:04 PM
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Quote from: Kemarit on May 04, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: mirakal on May 04, 2022, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: chaser15 on May 02, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: TimeTeller on May 02, 2022, 04:05:32 PM
But I am reading that Thurman wants to fight with Crawford first, so whoever wins will fight Spence.

It's on the news but I think Terence Crawford won't bother with Keith Thurman. Crawford is hungry to face Spence and that should happen as soon as possible.

Spence is almost on the move of stepping up a division and he won't probably wait for another Crawford fight. The statement of Spence is clear that after Ugas, Crawford is the next. If Crawford will face Thurman, I doubt Spence will patiently wait for the result. Time is running that's why Spence will follow his desire and won't wait with anybody regardless if that's a champion or not.
I also thought that very same thing, Terence Crawford has been calling for a fight with Spence Jr. numerous times already that's why I don't seriously think that he will give Thurman that fight first. Thurman can wait because Crawford and Spence fight will materialize soon because the latter is also looking forward to grab that belt, Crawford would not blow this chance because he knows that Spence can always change his mind if he chooses Keith Thurman first.

Well there are a lot of fights to Spence after winning against Ugas. But then again, it seems that his manager is really looking for money fights for Errol.

But for me, the money fight is already in front of them, it should be Terrence Crawford, not going to 154 lbs and fight the champion there. And this fight with Crawford can easily be made because he is no longer under the Top Rank banner. But at the same time though, they shouldn't low ball Crawford. And then blame him after for not accepting the fight.

Exactly! I bet that Spence's camp already have some queued fights after he won, that's why Crawford needs to work things out to make the fight happen like not giving any attention to other boxers so that he will be given his most asked fight before Spence changes his mind as he is the one who's a sought after boxer than him. A 40% offered share would be enough for him as he is not anymore under the roof of Top Rank.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
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Quote from: Uang_kartal on May 05, 2022, 07:21:32 AM
I've gone to the source link you shared. I might be late.!
Friends have their own choices, some are pro Crawford and admire his actions. But who doesn't know the welterweight class named Errol Spence Jr?
if this happens it will be a special match we see some world class award belts, i will vote for crawford too.
but I have to be sporty, if anyone loses and wins, they must admit it with pride. This is the world of sports

Errol Spence Jr. has to respond the challenge, no on words because they have been battling words in over a year IIRC, Spence should sign the contract as for sure he will be satisfied with the sharing, he would get the bigger slice and Crawford is sure okay with that.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
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Quote from: ropyu1978 on May 05, 2022, 07:33:03 AM
Quote from: wheelz1200 on May 01, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/33834967/terence-crawford-says-wants-go-straight-fight-errol-spence-next%3fplatform=amp

Please make this fight happen.  This would be the fight of the year.  I like Crawford in this fight.  Wonder what the odds would be.  Who does everyone like in this fight if it goes down finally?
Everyone wants this fight to happen, because we haven't seen a great fight for a long time, according to the media circulating both have agreed to do this fight, Crawford has also posted on his personal Twitter, he said he was ready to do this fight, without having to talk long wide again, let's go and we finish this fight.

Well, you are not watching boxing so often, how about the Wilder-Fury fight or just the recent Taylor - Seranno fight these are great fights and it's not a long time, we can call the Spence - Taylor a potentially great fight not really what will be a great fight they both have to finish the fight for us to judge if it's really a great fight.
But we cannot talk of great fights if these two will not sit down and talk and finalize the contract.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 07:33:03 AM
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Quote from: wheelz1200 on May 01, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/33834967/terence-crawford-says-wants-go-straight-fight-errol-spence-next%3fplatform=amp

Please make this fight happen.  This would be the fight of the year.  I like Crawford in this fight.  Wonder what the odds would be.  Who does everyone like in this fight if it goes down finally?
Everyone wants this fight to happen, because we haven't seen a great fight for a long time, according to the media circulating both have agreed to do this fight, Crawford has also posted on his personal Twitter, he said he was ready to do this fight, without having to talk long wide again, let's go and we finish this fight.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 07:21:32 AM
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I've gone to the source link you shared. I might be late.!
Friends have their own choices, some are pro Crawford and admire his actions. But who doesn't know the welterweight class named Errol Spence Jr?
if this happens it will be a special match we see some world class award belts, i will vote for crawford too.
but I have to be sporty, if anyone loses and wins, they must admit it with pride. This is the world of sports
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 07:17:16 AM
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Quote from: Saisher on May 05, 2022, 07:04:17 AM
Quote from: Ararbermas on May 05, 2022, 12:46:30 AM
Quote from: wheelz1200 on May 01, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/33834967/terence-crawford-says-wants-go-straight-fight-errol-spence-next%3fplatform=amp

Please make this fight happen.  This would be the fight of the year.  I like Crawford in this fight.  Wonder what the odds would be.  Who does everyone like in this fight if it goes down finally?
there's no official news about this match but i believe there's a high possibility within this year it will happen because Crawford already want to go straight against Spence and he said it's a perfect time for their fight base on his statement. So it depends on spence sides now if he will make agreement to make this most interesting fight to happen.

No, it depends on both sides they should be equal when it comes to purse and profit but the problem is neither one of them wants to give way, if this fight will come, they should mutually agree on the purse, both fighters want to get the big share of the purse, anyway, we will know who will not agree and if it's reasonable not to agree.
Both fighters did not realized if the fight will turn out to be good they can have a rematch or even a trilogy and make a lot of money.

Yes, still boils down on the money, the purse split, the network that will cover and a lot of factors that either doesn't want to give in. But with the money that both of them potentially getting, maybe it's just a matter of time though.

They can't just simply passed this opportunity or even not going to fight in their career because they are two of the best welterweight and we don't want to get rob of not seeing a great fight.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 07:04:17 AM
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Quote from: Ararbermas on May 05, 2022, 12:46:30 AM
Quote from: wheelz1200 on May 01, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/33834967/terence-crawford-says-wants-go-straight-fight-errol-spence-next%3fplatform=amp

Please make this fight happen.  This would be the fight of the year.  I like Crawford in this fight.  Wonder what the odds would be.  Who does everyone like in this fight if it goes down finally?
there's no official news about this match but i believe there's a high possibility within this year it will happen because Crawford already want to go straight against Spence and he said it's a perfect time for their fight base on his statement. So it depends on spence sides now if he will make agreement to make this most interesting fight to happen.

No, it depends on both sides they should be equal when it comes to purse and profit but the problem is neither one of them wants to give way, if this fight will come, they should mutually agree on the purse, both fighters want to get the big share of the purse, anyway, we will know who will not agree and if it's reasonable not to agree.
Both fighters did not realized if the fight will turn out to be good they can have a rematch or even a trilogy and make a lot of money.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 05, 2022, 12:46:30 AM
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Quote from: wheelz1200 on May 01, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/33834967/terence-crawford-says-wants-go-straight-fight-errol-spence-next%3fplatform=amp

Please make this fight happen.  This would be the fight of the year.  I like Crawford in this fight.  Wonder what the odds would be.  Who does everyone like in this fight if it goes down finally?
there's no official news about this match but i believe there's a high possibility within this year it will happen because Crawford already want to go straight against Spence and he said it's a perfect time for their fight base on his statement. So it depends on spence sides now if he will make agreement to make this most interesting fight to happen.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 04, 2022, 10:28:58 PM
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Quote from: dothebeats on May 04, 2022, 09:19:27 AM
I thought this has been locked for a couple of months now lol. I would want this fight to happen and bet on Spence just to see where my bet would take me. I do have reservations on Spence due to that injury but if he is in good shape, form, and overall condition, he can pull off a good fight and maybe drag the bout into its full 12 rounds. Crawford is an all-rounder fighter but he also has some stamina issues with how I observed him. It's a balanced fight all in all, but of course the one who bagged the most wins is the one who is favored in this bout.

It's not lock-in, but when both of them won their respective fight, Crawford against Porter and then recently Spence over Ugas, they fight should be made already by both camps. However, both wanted to be the A-side in this fight so we don't know if this can happen in the future or not. But I will give Spence to be the slight favorite.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 04, 2022, 10:24:36 PM
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Quote from: mirakal on May 04, 2022, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: chaser15 on May 02, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: TimeTeller on May 02, 2022, 04:05:32 PM
But I am reading that Thurman wants to fight with Crawford first, so whoever wins will fight Spence.

It's on the news but I think Terence Crawford won't bother with Keith Thurman. Crawford is hungry to face Spence and that should happen as soon as possible.

Spence is almost on the move of stepping up a division and he won't probably wait for another Crawford fight. The statement of Spence is clear that after Ugas, Crawford is the next. If Crawford will face Thurman, I doubt Spence will patiently wait for the result. Time is running that's why Spence will follow his desire and won't wait with anybody regardless if that's a champion or not.
I also thought that very same thing, Terence Crawford has been calling for a fight with Spence Jr. numerous times already that's why I don't seriously think that he will give Thurman that fight first. Thurman can wait because Crawford and Spence fight will materialize soon because the latter is also looking forward to grab that belt, Crawford would not blow this chance because he knows that Spence can always change his mind if he chooses Keith Thurman first.

Well there are a lot of fights to Spence after winning against Ugas. But then again, it seems that his manager is really looking for money fights for Errol.

But for me, the money fight is already in front of them, it should be Terrence Crawford, not going to 154 lbs and fight the champion there. And this fight with Crawford can easily be made because he is no longer under the Top Rank banner. But at the same time though, they shouldn't low ball Crawford. And then blame him after for not accepting the fight.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 04, 2022, 12:59:16 PM
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Quote from: chaser15 on May 02, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: TimeTeller on May 02, 2022, 04:05:32 PM
But I am reading that Thurman wants to fight with Crawford first, so whoever wins will fight Spence.

It's on the news but I think Terence Crawford won't bother with Keith Thurman. Crawford is hungry to face Spence and that should happen as soon as possible.

Spence is almost on the move of stepping up a division and he won't probably wait for another Crawford fight. The statement of Spence is clear that after Ugas, Crawford is the next. If Crawford will face Thurman, I doubt Spence will patiently wait for the result. Time is running that's why Spence will follow his desire and won't wait with anybody regardless if that's a champion or not.
I also thought that very same thing, Terence Crawford has been calling for a fight with Spence Jr. numerous times already that's why I don't seriously think that he will give Thurman that fight first. Thurman can wait because Crawford and Spence fight will materialize soon because the latter is also looking forward to grab that belt, Crawford would not blow this chance because he knows that Spence can always change his mind if he chooses Keith Thurman first.
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Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence
May 04, 2022, 10:37:18 AM
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Quote from: dothebeats on May 04, 2022, 09:19:27 AM
I thought this has been locked for a couple of months now lol. I would want this fight to happen and bet on Spence just to see where my bet would take me. I do have reservations on Spence due to that injury but if he is in good shape, form, and overall condition, he can pull off a good fight and maybe drag the bout into its full 12 rounds. Crawford is an all-rounder fighter but he also has some stamina issues with how I observed him. It's a balanced fight all in all, but of course the one who bagged the most wins is the one who is favored in this bout.

Lots of people are actually waiting for this match. There were delays but I guess the organization will push this through. I also bet on Spence because I've seen how he beat his previous opponents on the ring and he really has aggressive and strong stamina. I'm not underestimating Crawford but I guess it will be a tough match for him.
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