[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 32.

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remember that they are both champions and undefeated, they might have a problem with the revenue and purse negotiation.

I don't see that as a hindrance or a problem in the future. It's not that one of them has the status of Mayweather level wherein it's reasonable to demand more shares in revenue. Both Spence and Crawford are hoping to fight each other so I think there will be no problem about the split. 50/50 should do and will be arranged properly without a problem.

But before talking about Crawford, let's not conclude that Ugas has no chance. He has a chance and all boxing analysts are agree with that.

Well, we can talk about this after Spence will beat Ugas which is easier said than done. If both Spence and Crawford would agree a 50/50 split then this fight would happen, but if one will ask for a higher share which probably is Crawford since he is the number 1 now in their division, then we might see some conflict and this dream match won't happen.

I think up to 60/40, there will be no problem on both sides. Aside from the possible split, what matters in that fight is the reputation once all championship belts are acquired. It's another milestone in their career and an automatic high stake on their next fight.

But what if Ugas will win. It's a big upset.

Can't imagine for now that we will see a banner of Ugas vs Crawford as everybody is eyeing for Spence to win.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 14, 2022, 06:18:31 PM

Crawford since he is the number 1 now in their division, then we might see some conflict and this dream match won't happen.

Since 2018, Crawford really eyes a fight with Spence.

With that desire, I think he won't mind as 50/50 even he's the number 1 as long as the fight will be arranged. Crawford needs that fight since that's the only fight he needs to unify all the belts.

Going back to the topic, any information on how much is the split between Ugas and Spence? Or it's not disclosed yet since it's still around 2-3 months for the fight to happen.

Good question, I can't find the figures though, but I will assume that since Spence is the A-side in this fight, it should go on his favour, maybe 60-40 tops and this could be the biggest paycheck for Ugas as maybe in the Manny fight it was 80-20 in favour of Manny since he is a late replacement.

Nevertheless, it will be interesting what will be the exact purse split. Both are champions but then again, Spence has 0 lost and the name fighter between the two.

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Quote from: Maslate on January 14, 2022, 06:18:31 PM

Crawford since he is the number 1 now in their division, then we might see some conflict and this dream match won't happen.

Since 2018, Crawford really eyes a fight with Spence.

With that desire, I think he won't mind as 50/50 even he's the number 1 as long as the fight will be arranged. Crawford needs that fight since that's the only fight he needs to unify all the belts.

Going back to the topic, any information on how much is the split between Ugas and Spence? Or it's not disclosed yet since it's still around 2-3 months for the fight to happen.

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remember that they are both champions and undefeated, they might have a problem with the revenue and purse negotiation.

I don't see that as a hindrance or a problem in the future. It's not that one of them has the status of Mayweather level wherein it's reasonable to demand more shares in revenue. Both Spence and Crawford are hoping to fight each other so I think there will be no problem about the split. 50/50 should do and will be arranged properly without a problem.

But before talking about Crawford, let's not conclude that Ugas has no chance. He has a chance and all boxing analysts are agree with that.

Well, we can talk about this after Spence will beat Ugas which is easier said than done. If both Spence and Crawford would agree a 50/50 split then this fight would happen, but if one will ask for a higher share which probably is Crawford since he is the number 1 now in their division, then we might see some conflict and this dream match won't happen.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 14, 2022, 04:25:46 PM

remember that they are both champions and undefeated, they might have a problem with the revenue and purse negotiation.

I don't see that as a hindrance or a problem in the future. It's not that one of them has the status of Mayweather level wherein it's reasonable to demand more shares in revenue. Both Spence and Crawford are hoping to fight each other so I think there will be no problem about the split. 50/50 should do and will be arranged properly without a problem.

But before talking about Crawford, let's not conclude that Ugas has no chance. He has a chance and all boxing analysts are agree with that.

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That eye injury is due to the car crash, so it doesn't count, and that was not serious compared to his situation before and he proved that he can still win a fight. Ugas Losses are mostly a split decision, so he is really a great fighter and who knows if he can give a good fight on Spence and make an upset again.

We cannot based on his past, I'm sure Ugas is a hard-working guy, and now that he is a champion also, his confidence will be high and he'll try to beat whoever will be in front of him.

I'm one of the guys who admire Ugas, he always comes to fight but when it comes to who he fought he only have an aging Pacquiao on his resume compared to Spence who has fought the best and the toughest, I like Ugas because of his sportsmanship, but there's no stopping Spence road to fighting Crawford, only Crawford can challenge Spence dominance in the ring.

I also like his sportsmanship, but this time his opponent is younger and really a stronger fighter. He needs more training if he wants to beat the talent of Spence. About Spence vs Crawford, we all want to see that but in the end, it still depends on how their promoter would agree on these things, remember that they are both champions and undefeated, they might have a problem with the revenue and purse negotiation.

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Quote from: Finestream on January 14, 2022, 08:29:22 AM

That eye injury is due to the car crash, so it doesn't count, and that was not serious compared to his situation before and he proved that he can still win a fight. Ugas Losses are mostly a split decision, so he is really a great fighter and who knows if he can give a good fight on Spence and make an upset again.

We cannot based on his past, I'm sure Ugas is a hard-working guy, and now that he is a champion also, his confidence will be high and he'll try to beat whoever will be in front of him.

I'm one of the guys who admire Ugas, he always comes to fight but when it comes to who he fought he only have an aging Pacquiao on his resume compared to Spence who has fought the best and the toughest, I like Ugas because of his sportsmanship, but there's no stopping Spence road to fighting Crawford, only Crawford can challenge Spence dominance in the ring.

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This fight, I believe that Spence has the edge, so I like to take the KO as Ugas style in boxing is very predictable, Spence can find a way to hurt him.

I hope this would not be the same as the fight of Ugas vs Pacman where everyone bet on Pacman. Again, this is the biggest fight of Ugas, and Spence will have a comeback fight after an eye surgery, so a lot of things to consider here but at the end of the day, we still choose to bet on the favorite which is Spence.

Ugas has a solid chin I believed, so it's not easy to get a KO on him unless Spence really fight a vulnerable spot and Ugas was caught off guard with that punch.

So far Spence has two comebacks already, first from his car accident that he survived, and the beat Porter. Now after his eye operation it will be Ugas. So two tough comeback fights for him, luckily he is still on his prime years that's why he was able to recover very quickly.

That eye injury is due to the car crash, so it doesn't count, and that was not serious compared to his situation before and he proved that he can still win a fight. Ugas Losses are mostly a split decision, so he is really a great fighter and who knows if he can give a good fight on Spence and make an upset again.

We cannot based on his past, I'm sure Ugas is a hard-working guy, and now that he is a champion also, his confidence will be high and he'll try to beat whoever will be in front of him.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on January 14, 2022, 07:36:25 AM

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This fight, I believe that Spence has the edge, so I like to take the KO as Ugas style in boxing is very predictable, Spence can find a way to hurt him.

I hope this would not be the same as the fight of Ugas vs Pacman where everyone bet on Pacman. Again, this is the biggest fight of Ugas, and Spence will have a comeback fight after an eye surgery, so a lot of things to consider here but at the end of the day, we still choose to bet on the favorite which is Spence.

Ugas has a solid chin I believed, so it's not easy to get a KO on him unless Spence really fight a vulnerable spot and Ugas was caught off guard with that punch.

So far Spence has two comebacks already, first from his car accident that he survived, and the beat Porter. Now after his eye operation it will be Ugas. So two tough comeback fights for him, luckily he is still on his prime years that's why he was able to recover very quickly.

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Quote from: Questat on January 14, 2022, 12:22:13 AM

This fight, I believe that Spence has the edge, so I like to take the KO as Ugas style in boxing is very predictable, Spence can find a way to hurt him.

I hope this would not be the same as the fight of Ugas vs Pacman where everyone bet on Pacman. Again, this is the biggest fight of Ugas, and Spence will have a comeback fight after an eye surgery, so a lot of things to consider here but at the end of the day, we still choose to bet on the favorite which is Spence.

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if we will have a poll on this match, i believe spence jr will still be the favourite here by bettors.

Favorite to win the match or the usual favorite as interest?

I don't see most bettors will put a stake on Spence Jr. if the odds will be around @1.5 unless willing to take the risks since to them, it's a sure win for Spence. Even I'm rooting for Spence to win, I want to see the odds first and if Ugas has big odds, I might consider placing a bet for him. Who knows.

Can't believe his eye injury will be fully healed in March or April unless it's not a big issue before but just take it as a reason for skipping Pacquiao's fight.

If it will not drop below 1.50, I think it's a good odds for Spence knowing that he is a great fighter who can take down Ugas for sure. As of now, we have no idea of the odds but one thing is sure is that Spence will be listed as the favorites to win the fight, so let's just hope an attractive odds for Spence so we will bet right away.

Of course, that 1.50 is still very attractive for bettors who are trusting the undefeated boxer to win here. Ugas is not really at the level of Spence and Crawford, and since these two are the top champions in their division, there's no way Ugas who beat the old Pacman will beat either of the two.

If those who believed that Spence can outright win, they yeah why not, I'm read before that there are even some gambling whales willing to bet on 1.1-1.2 odds with huge money in Las Vegas in a boxing match.

So probably we will see a lot of those whales who are going to pour money on Spence because that is a good odds for them.

But for the majority of us, who also loves to bet on the underdog, maybe we will take a closer look at the odds and put our money on the best odds we know that will give us a good pay.

We won't feel the profits as we are not whales. We need basically a good decent amount on stake if we want to feel the advantage of betting in Spence ML but I don't think it's a good risk. If only it's about 1.5 then we can take the risk. But for 1.2, a big no for me to bet on that.

Since I'm not eyeing any of the boxers to win the fight, maybe I will bet on Ugas, or depending on the situation while the fight is approaching, a KO or Decision will also be a good choice to bet.

That's the reality, we want better odds for better profit. If we just bet a small amount, sometimes we look to parlay our bet to increase our profit, so there's no way we would take the 1.20 even if that's almost a sure win. This fight, I believe that Spence has the edge, so I like to take the KO as Ugas style in boxing is very predictable, Spence can find a way to hurt him.

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if we will have a poll on this match, i believe spence jr will still be the favourite here by bettors.

Favorite to win the match or the usual favorite as interest?

I don't see most bettors will put a stake on Spence Jr. if the odds will be around @1.5 unless willing to take the risks since to them, it's a sure win for Spence. Even I'm rooting for Spence to win, I want to see the odds first and if Ugas has big odds, I might consider placing a bet for him. Who knows.

Can't believe his eye injury will be fully healed in March or April unless it's not a big issue before but just take it as a reason for skipping Pacquiao's fight.

If it will not drop below 1.50, I think it's a good odds for Spence knowing that he is a great fighter who can take down Ugas for sure. As of now, we have no idea of the odds but one thing is sure is that Spence will be listed as the favorites to win the fight, so let's just hope an attractive odds for Spence so we will bet right away.

Of course, that 1.50 is still very attractive for bettors who are trusting the undefeated boxer to win here. Ugas is not really at the level of Spence and Crawford, and since these two are the top champions in their division, there's no way Ugas who beat the old Pacman will beat either of the two.

If those who believed that Spence can outright win, they yeah why not, I'm read before that there are even some gambling whales willing to bet on 1.1-1.2 odds with huge money in Las Vegas in a boxing match.

So probably we will see a lot of those whales who are going to pour money on Spence because that is a good odds for them.

But for the majority of us, who also loves to bet on the underdog, maybe we will take a closer look at the odds and put our money on the best odds we know that will give us a good pay.

We won't feel the profits as we are not whales. We need basically a good decent amount on stake if we want to feel the advantage of betting in Spence ML but I don't think it's a good risk. If only it's about 1.5 then we can take the risk. But for 1.2, a big no for me to bet on that.

Since I'm not eyeing any of the boxers to win the fight, maybe I will bet on Ugas, or depending on the situation while the fight is approaching, a KO or Decision will also be a good choice to bet.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 13, 2022, 04:28:37 PM

That was a big upset but in the end, people are still not impressed because they would say that he only beat an old Pacman. This fight is his real challenge, if he wins here then there are no more doubts anymore, good luck to him and hopefully, he will train as hard as he can as Spence is a different animal, a real beast in the ring.

If Ugas win this one, there's no doubt that he will gained all the people praises, it's true that even he upset Pacman there's still doubt with his capabilities, with those reasons behind why Pacman losses the fight, there are people who thinks that he just take that one from the old legend no longer on his prime so it's very normal that younger Ugas can disappoint him.

But with Spence now, this would be the deciding factor. If he will take it will put his name at the top.

No more question and doubts but praise that he really the deserved. Roll Eyes

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And that is what I'm trying to explain, plus both are in their prime years of their boxing, so it's really a hard call right now. Although in paper, Spence is the favorite.

Ugas though is not that far away, he has been in this division for many years and maybe it's about time that his name will be in the discussion because we have been talking about Spence vs Crawford and now we have new name in Ugas that can throw this division off.

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Yeah they are the same cause they are in their prime year's but in terms of popularity Spence is a little bit ahead than Ugas. We all know that the crowd will choose Spence cause he is ahead in any aspects and also a champion without loss. Based on the last fight between Ugas and manny, Ugas proved that he can win and defeat the one and only 8 division champ in the world of boxing. If Ugas maintain his focus and not be greedy in their fight against Spence I think he had a chance to win this fight.

That was a big upset but in the end, people are still not impressed because they would say that he only beat an old Pacman. This fight is his real challenge, if he wins here then there are no more doubts anymore, good luck to him and hopefully, he will train as hard as he can as Spence is a different animal, a real beast in the ring.

Beating up an old man is just an excuse because considering Pacquiaos experience and skills on boxing then it couldnt really be denied that he could still knockdown those new generation fighters under him

but well its is still a lost thing and lets just accept that Manny is really age on and we know that body do really deteriorate in terms of capability and endurance.

Ugas need to prove out to the world that it wasnt a fluke or something by beating up Spence on this fight.

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And that is what I'm trying to explain, plus both are in their prime years of their boxing, so it's really a hard call right now. Although in paper, Spence is the favorite.

Ugas though is not that far away, he has been in this division for many years and maybe it's about time that his name will be in the discussion because we have been talking about Spence vs Crawford and now we have new name in Ugas that can throw this division off.

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Yeah they are the same cause they are in their prime year's but in terms of popularity Spence is a little bit ahead than Ugas. We all know that the crowd will choose Spence cause he is ahead in any aspects and also a champion without loss. Based on the last fight between Ugas and manny, Ugas proved that he can win and defeat the one and only 8 division champ in the world of boxing. If Ugas maintain his focus and not be greedy in their fight against Spence I think he had a chance to win this fight.

That was a big upset but in the end, people are still not impressed because they would say that he only beat an old Pacman. This fight is his real challenge, if he wins here then there are no more doubts anymore, good luck to him and hopefully, he will train as hard as he can as Spence is a different animal, a real beast in the ring.

I agree, having a victory against Manny Pacquiao improves the resume of any fighter, but at the same time when we take into account the circumstances in which it happened then this reduces the significance of that victory, so if Ugas wants to be treated seriously he needs to at least give a decent fight against Spence, and if he cannot do it and it is defeated clearly by him then it is likely he will have some difficulty getting into another championship fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 13, 2022, 08:00:56 AM

And that is what I'm trying to explain, plus both are in their prime years of their boxing, so it's really a hard call right now. Although in paper, Spence is the favorite.

Ugas though is not that far away, he has been in this division for many years and maybe it's about time that his name will be in the discussion because we have been talking about Spence vs Crawford and now we have new name in Ugas that can throw this division off.

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Yeah they are the same cause they are in their prime year's but in terms of popularity Spence is a little bit ahead than Ugas. We all know that the crowd will choose Spence cause he is ahead in any aspects and also a champion without loss. Based on the last fight between Ugas and manny, Ugas proved that he can win and defeat the one and only 8 division champ in the world of boxing. If Ugas maintain his focus and not be greedy in their fight against Spence I think he had a chance to win this fight.

That was a big upset but in the end, people are still not impressed because they would say that he only beat an old Pacman. This fight is his real challenge, if he wins here then there are no more doubts anymore, good luck to him and hopefully, he will train as hard as he can as Spence is a different animal, a real beast in the ring.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 13, 2022, 08:00:56 AM

And that is what I'm trying to explain, plus both are in their prime years of their boxing, so it's really a hard call right now. Although in paper, Spence is the favorite.

Ugas though is not that far away, he has been in this division for many years and maybe it's about time that his name will be in the discussion because we have been talking about Spence vs Crawford and now we have new name in Ugas that can throw this division off.

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Yeah they are the same cause they are in their prime year's but in terms of popularity Spence is a little bit ahead than Ugas. We all know that the crowd will choose Spence cause he is ahead in any aspects and also a champion without loss. Based on the last fight between Ugas and manny, Ugas proved that he can win and defeat the one and only 8 division champ in the world of boxing. If Ugas maintain his focus and not be greedy in their fight against Spence I think he had a chance to win this fight.

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Both of them has something to proved, Spence wanted to remain on top of this division, while Ugas wanted to show that his win is no fluke against Pacman.

And this is a great style matchup, both can be aggressive and can also play defensive and then be a counter puncher so this is really a great fight in paper although Spence will be the favorite but it will be more closer that we anticipated it to be.

Yes you are right there mate this two fighter want to prove that they are the best in their division . If spence will win this match then it makes sense that Spence is still undefeated and the best. But if Ugas will win this match I think that's the time that Ugas will be known in everywhere cause this fight is the one of those biggest fight of ugas sense spence is undefeated and very popular in the world of boxing.

And that is what I'm trying to explain, plus both are in their prime years of their boxing, so it's really a hard call right now. Although in paper, Spence is the favorite.

Ugas though is not that far away, he has been in this division for many years and maybe it's about time that his name will be in the discussion because we have been talking about Spence vs Crawford and now we have new name in Ugas that can throw this division off.

Ugas was thrown out in the conversation because he is not undefeated, and he loses to Porter which Spence and Crawford beat. So you can tell by the record alone that Ugas is not really a tough challenger, he was only lucky that he fought Pacman with a problem in his foot, so I don't know if he can still win if he will fight a healthy Spence.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 10, 2022, 08:02:54 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 10, 2022, 06:58:34 AM

Both of them has something to proved, Spence wanted to remain on top of this division, while Ugas wanted to show that his win is no fluke against Pacman.

And this is a great style matchup, both can be aggressive and can also play defensive and then be a counter puncher so this is really a great fight in paper although Spence will be the favorite but it will be more closer that we anticipated it to be.

Yes you are right there mate this two fighter want to prove that they are the best in their division . If spence will win this match then it makes sense that Spence is still undefeated and the best. But if Ugas will win this match I think that's the time that Ugas will be known in everywhere cause this fight is the one of those biggest fight of ugas sense spence is undefeated and very popular in the world of boxing.

And that is what I'm trying to explain, plus both are in their prime years of their boxing, so it's really a hard call right now. Although in paper, Spence is the favorite.

Ugas though is not that far away, he has been in this division for many years and maybe it's about time that his name will be in the discussion because we have been talking about Spence vs Crawford and now we have new name in Ugas that can throw this division off.

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if we will have a poll on this match, i believe spence jr will still be the favourite here by bettors.

Favorite to win the match or the usual favorite as interest?

I don't see most bettors will put a stake on Spence Jr. if the odds will be around @1.5 unless willing to take the risks since to them, it's a sure win for Spence. Even I'm rooting for Spence to win, I want to see the odds first and if Ugas has big odds, I might consider placing a bet for him. Who knows.

Can't believe his eye injury will be fully healed in March or April unless it's not a big issue before but just take it as a reason for skipping Pacquiao's fight.

If it will not drop below 1.50, I think it's a good odds for Spence knowing that he is a great fighter who can take down Ugas for sure. As of now, we have no idea of the odds but one thing is sure is that Spence will be listed as the favorites to win the fight, so let's just hope an attractive odds for Spence so we will bet right away.

Of course, that 1.50 is still very attractive for bettors who are trusting the undefeated boxer to win here. Ugas is not really at the level of Spence and Crawford, and since these two are the top champions in their division, there's no way Ugas who beat the old Pacman will beat either of the two.

If those who believed that Spence can outright win, they yeah why not, I'm read before that there are even some gambling whales willing to bet on 1.1-1.2 odds with huge money in Las Vegas in a boxing match.

So probably we will see a lot of those whales who are going to pour money on Spence because that is a good odds for them.

But for the majority of us, who also loves to bet on the underdog, maybe we will take a closer look at the odds and put our money on the best odds we know that will give us a good pay.

Not me though, I'm not a whale so I won't take that ML bet.

And as you have said, underdog, that the clear message here, Ugas has done it before with Manny, he was the clear underdog on that fight but he went thru he needle and win.

But if we think that Spence can beat him, then we will look for better odds for Spence, maybe per round or by decision in the end.

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