[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 36.

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Quote from: Vaculin on December 31, 2021, 03:55:19 PM

It's hard to imagine that Ugas will win here, if Spence is fully healthy, I think we are going to see a KO win from him as Ugas would only be a standing target since he cannot take advantage using his lenght like what he did on Pacquioa.

Well I think that many do not have very good expectations for Ugas, on the other hand with Spence I see that there are many beautiful hopes and they expect victory from him, of course waiting for him to achieve a KO would leave everyone with their mouths open, but I think that UGAS has considered this option and your preparation will be much tougher than before.

However, when reviewing some articles I see that they put Spence with more options to win over UGAS, the statistics in boxing are usually much more efficient than in any other sport, at least it is what I have seen due to my little experience.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on January 04, 2022, 08:21:00 AM

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Let us not talk about that first, it's too early, maybe Ugas has to focus on how he will beat Spence as he is the underdog here and I don't think Spence will just give him this fight. Look everyone, Ugas has 4 losses, he lost against Porter which Spence beat, so it's not really that interesting to expect a win by Ugas, besides, he only became popular because he beat an old and injured Pacman ( that was Pacman's claim).

That's right, rather than thinking far into the future I'd rather he focus on the fight that will soon be fought.
Ugas is one of the boxers who in fact is now quite well known because as you said he managed to win against Many even though it was in that match that Many actually forced the fight and regardless of age Cheesy

on the other hand Ugas' current abilities were far from over and could not be compared to Spence's.
Spence is a boxer who is above Ugas in terms of strength, speed and IQ in the ring. If you really want to make a surprise, even if it's difficult, you have to be able to make the best of it, even though I feel that the possibility is almost non-existent

Everyone knows that Spence is better than Ugas.

When Pacman vs Spence fight was announced, Spence was the favorite to win, so in this fight, we already know who is the favorite to win although Ugas is more active and able to defend his title. It will be a war between Spence and we know that Spence will never beck down as he can grant his opponent's wish on the style of fight they want, just like against Porter, he also give a toe to toe fight.

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Quote from: freedomgo on January 03, 2022, 04:18:32 PM

Let us not talk about that first, it's too early, maybe Ugas has to focus on how he will beat Spence as he is the underdog here and I don't think Spence will just give him this fight. Look everyone, Ugas has 4 losses, he lost against Porter which Spence beat, so it's not really that interesting to expect a win by Ugas, besides, he only became popular because he beat an old and injured Pacman ( that was Pacman's claim).

That's right, rather than thinking far into the future I'd rather he focus on the fight that will soon be fought.
Ugas is one of the boxers who in fact is now quite well known because as you said he managed to win against Many even though it was in that match that Many actually forced the fight and regardless of age Cheesy

on the other hand Ugas' current abilities were far from over and could not be compared to Spence's.
Spence is a boxer who is above Ugas in terms of strength, speed and IQ in the ring. If you really want to make a surprise, even if it's difficult, you have to be able to make the best of it, even though I feel that the possibility is almost non-existent

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Quote from: Vaculin on December 31, 2021, 03:55:19 PM

It's hard to imagine that Ugas will win here, if Spence is fully healthy, I think we are going to see a KO win from him as Ugas would only be a standing target since he cannot take advantage using his lenght like what he did on Pacquioa.

Somehow agree but on the other hand, Ugas is the most hungry to win here based on my own view. He's the one who aggressively requested on that fight. Just thinking about what things he will achieve if able to win, it's already an inspiration. That being said, it might fuel more his desire to win.

Spence is no doubt will be the favorite to win the match but we can't rule out that an upset is always possible to happen.

There's still no early forecast from some boxing analysts of what will be the odds on this match.

The desire to win cannot be underestimated, there are many great fighters that after tasting success got soft and simply could not maintain their previous level of skill and lost their titles relatively quickly, I do not really know if Ugas has what it is necessary to beat Spence outright but there is one thing I know and that is the guy really wants to win this fight, and if Spence fails to take the fight as seriously as Ugas does he could find himself in trouble.

Of course, anyone could win, I'm not saying that Ugas has no chance but the way Spence fights, I think Ugas's chance is likely very low and therefore he will lose in this fight. As fans, we can't avoid to be biased, that's why I'm just speaking my mind here as I always think Spence is the better fighter between the two.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 04, 2022, 03:16:13 AM

Yup, Ugas should thank Manny Pacquiao for the sudden surge of his popularity and this fight with Spence is some sort of a bonus on his career. That is why it is a mistake for him to talk of a possible fight with Terrence Crawford (though there is a possibility but very slim) this time around, he should focus his energy on training hard for Errol Spence.

As i'ved said before, Ugas is just too slow for Errol Spence, for me the betting here is whether Spence would win by KO or Win via decision.

I have this feeling that Ugas journey will end here, his win against Pacquiao is a huge upset and I don't think he will have a stroke of second luck in this fight, against a flawless fighter like Spence who is always ahead in every round and no known weakness, I expect Spence going for a knock out to impress the boxing community, and of course to also impress Crawford.

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Quote from: freedomgo on January 03, 2022, 04:18:32 PM

Let us not talk about that first, it's too early, maybe Ugas has to focus on how he will beat Spence as he is the underdog here and I don't think Spence will just give him this fight. Look everyone, Ugas has 4 losses, he lost against Porter which Spence beat, so it's not really that interesting to expect a win by Ugas, besides, he only became popular because he beat an old and injured Pacman ( that was Pacman's claim).

Yup, Ugas should thank Manny Pacquiao for the sudden surge of his popularity and this fight with Spence is some sort of a bonus on his career. That is why it is a mistake for him to talk of a possible fight with Terrence Crawford (though there is a possibility but very slim) this time around, he should focus his energy on training hard for Errol Spence.

As i'ved said before, Ugas is just too slow for Errol Spence, for me the betting here is whether Spence would win by KO or Win via decision.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 03, 2022, 07:58:52 PM

I doubt Spence will win by KO on this one.

I also think so, I remember the history between Ugas vs. Pacquiao, thus making Pacquiao retire from the boxing arena, do not know exactly why Pacquiao took that step, which clearly Ugas won at that time.

When it comes to Spence vs. Ugas, I have strong belief Ugas can win boxing this year, there is a reason I can say Ugas can beat Spence, my strong reasons are: the accident that happened to Spence, it could be a good point for Ugas to take a chance in boxing this time, as far as I know Spence has an eye injury for now.

There is another reason for the boxing win between Spence vs. Ugas could have reversed Spence, winning welterweight, if the WBA and the Association force Spence to win, if this happens it is beyond prediction, as happened in the Crawford vs. Porter, I hope that doesn't happen, I hope the boxing of Spence vs. Ugas can be run professionally.

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Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Yes. I remember that fight. In the second round. He was over worked, instead of the rest 3days left supposed to be his rest and conditioning, he was pushed to work for training against an orthodox fighter. If it was Spence better bcoanhis 2 mos. training was for only and just for Spence, and for sure Spence will got his 1st lost via KO if ever. Now if there will be a rematch for Ugas and Pacquiao then you will see a 100% Pacquiao knocking out Ugas compare to a 30% Pacquiao in the previous match bcos of his stiffening legs.

Forget about Manny Pacquiao beating Ugas. There will never be a 100% Pacquiao anymore. Pacquiao is old. He has retired. Of course there is still a possibility that he will come back and fight just like what he did before, but it will never be a 100% Pacquiao. For one, he has already gotten his feet deeply in politics. That must take a lot of focus and attention from him. And of course there's the age factor. Training cannot make up for them so there's no more 100% Pacquiao.

I doubt Spence will win by KO on this one.

There is a chance that Pacquiao will come back but how many percent is that "chance"? Less than 1%.

He isn't like Mayweather that will return to the ring after saying that he is retired just for money. I know that Manny will stand to what he said and he said that he will be retiring and he will just help younger boxers to improve. Another one is that, Pacquiao really is committed already to politics because he is helping the people for a long time already and for him he can help more people if he will be the President. Even though many are doubting about him and saying that he can't be the President for many reasons (including me), he did ran for President. Another one is if Pacquiao and Ugas will have a rematch, I don't think that Pacquiao can beat him since he past his prime already that's why he retired.

Spence is really a great boxer and I'm also thinking that he will KO Ugas in less than 10 rounds (my prediction) but it might be a hard fight I think.

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Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Yes. I remember that fight. In the second round. He was over worked, instead of the rest 3days left supposed to be his rest and conditioning, he was pushed to work for training against an orthodox fighter. If it was Spence better bcoanhis 2 mos. training was for only and just for Spence, and for sure Spence will got his 1st lost via KO if ever. Now if there will be a rematch for Ugas and Pacquiao then you will see a 100% Pacquiao knocking out Ugas compare to a 30% Pacquiao in the previous match bcos of his stiffening legs.

Forget about Manny Pacquiao beating Ugas. There will never be a 100% Pacquiao anymore. Pacquiao is old. He has retired. Of course there is still a possibility that he will come back and fight just like what he did before, but it will never be a 100% Pacquiao. For one, he has already gotten his feet deeply in politics. That must take a lot of focus and attention from him. And of course there's the age factor. Training cannot make up for them so there's no more 100% Pacquiao.

I doubt Spence will win by KO on this one.

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Quote from: harizen on January 02, 2022, 06:19:36 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on December 31, 2021, 03:55:19 PM

It's hard to imagine that Ugas will win here, if Spence is fully healthy, I think we are going to see a KO win from him as Ugas would only be a standing target since he cannot take advantage using his lenght like what he did on Pacquioa.

Somehow agree but on the other hand, Ugas is the most hungry to win here based on my own view. He's the one who aggressively requested on that fight. Just thinking about what things he will achieve if able to win, it's already an inspiration. That being said, it might fuel more his desire to win.

Spence is no doubt will be the favorite to win the match but we can't rule out that an upset is always possible to happen.

There's still no early forecast from some boxing analysts of what will be the odds on this match.

The desire to win cannot be underestimated, there are many great fighters that after tasting success got soft and simply could not maintain their previous level of skill and lost their titles relatively quickly, I do not really know if Ugas has what it is necessary to beat Spence outright but there is one thing I know and that is the guy really wants to win this fight, and if Spence fails to take the fight as seriously as Ugas does he could find himself in trouble.

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Quote from: freedomgo on January 03, 2022, 04:18:32 PM

Quote from: harizen on January 03, 2022, 03:25:46 PM

That was in November as ETA. But before Ugas thinks about that, he needs to pass Spence first.

Let us not talk about that first, it's too early, maybe Ugas has to focus on how he will beat Spence as he is the underdog here and I don't think Spence will just give him this fight. Look everyone, Ugas has 4 losses, he lost against Porter which Spence beat, so it's not really that interesting to expect a win by Ugas, besides, he only became popular because he beat an old and injured Pacman ( that was Pacman's claim).

Pacquiao was injured?
I do rather believe Ugas is on that condition.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2021/08/yordenis-ugas-reveals-he-injured-bicep-3-weeks-before-pacquiao-fight/

He was really making out excuses and don't really accept that he's getting old and can be beaten up by those kind of fighter like Ugas.
He shouldn't make those kind of claims.lol

Ugas would be underdog for sure but beating up Spence is something breaking a huge wall.

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Quote from: harizen on January 03, 2022, 03:25:46 PM

That was in November as ETA. But before Ugas thinks about that, he needs to pass Spence first.

Let us not talk about that first, it's too early, maybe Ugas has to focus on how he will beat Spence as he is the underdog here and I don't think Spence will just give him this fight. Look everyone, Ugas has 4 losses, he lost against Porter which Spence beat, so it's not really that interesting to expect a win by Ugas, besides, he only became popular because he beat an old and injured Pacman ( that was Pacman's claim).

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Just to clarify everyone, it's not an automatic fight to Terence Crawford on whoever won between Ugas and Spence. As far as WBO is concerned, there's a commitment first that the winner of that fight should be dealt on and that was against the winner between Radzhab Butaev and Eimantas Stanionis.

Although let's see if Ugas' requests of a fight directly to Crawford will be allowed if ever he won the match against Spence. That was in November as ETA. But before Ugas thinks about that, he needs to pass Spence first.

Errol Spence Jr. vs. Yordenis Ugas in March or April

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Quote from: fiulpro on January 03, 2022, 12:11:06 PM

I don't think I would be gambling on this fight, even though we are aware of the fact regarding who won back in 2019, we still have to consider the fact that the opponent might have been preparing for their rematch since a really long time and how fast the tables can turn is something that we cannot say anything about.
Both are champions, the fight was a close one which does mean that, even though Spencer won before he could have been beaten even through a few points. Spencer might be the safe pick for most people. ( Regarding Manny) Plus blaming someone or something, as I see is not really a good thing, if he knew the problem, he could have done something about it before making a public statement. Everyone have excuses but we don't see everyone going after them after loosing..

I seem to agree with what you are saying.
The two players are too evenly matched and I feel it is too risky when it comes to betting on one fighter.
I feel strongly about predicting who will win this fight.
but if you really see the movement of the bookies of course they will be under Spence at this time because he is definitely in the lead but on the other hand I like the fighting style of Ugas

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 03, 2022, 12:39:48 PM

anyway, going back to spence jr vs ugas. in this match, spence jr should not take this fight lightly. ugas is hungry for the recognition. so this is quite interesting also for me.

Spence Jr. is not the type of boxer that takes lightly every of his fight. Since Ugas beats Manny, there's something to Ugas that Spence should be taken note of.

Ugas is also the one who requested a fight and it means he is truly decided to put everything to beat Spence and later on, against the one who left with the Welterweight title, Terence Crawford.

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anyone is free to change his plans on his own accords.

If I'm not mistaken, he will not hold any government office if he lost to the presidential bid. He might return to the ring.

But yeah, this is now out of the subject. Let's wait after the election.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 03, 2022, 12:24:14 PM

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Do not quote me on this one but I do remember that Pacquiao was planning on having a rematch?

There's a talk of a rematch right after the fight. However, as days progresses and Manny is now focusing as a Presidential aspirant, he decided to retire to make everything focus on his political ambition.

I was thinking that if Manny will lose in the election, he might come back as he can now focus more on training.

That might be after the match between Crawford against the winner of the Ugas vs Spence Jr. bout.

yes, he did think of rematch with ugas but after some contemplation, he made a statement that he will finally hang his gloves. that is, to pave the way his political agenda. and he said at one point that if he will lose this election, i believe he will live in his farm and get some needed rest. but yes, who knows what are his next plans if in case he will lose this political ambition? anyone is free to change his plans on his own accords.

anyway, going back to spence jr vs ugas. in this match, spence jr should not take this fight lightly. ugas is hungry for the recognition. so this is quite interesting also for me.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on January 03, 2022, 11:24:12 AM

Do not quote me on this one but I do remember that Pacquiao was planning on having a rematch?

There's a talk of a rematch right after the fight. However, as days progresses and Manny is now focusing as a Presidential aspirant, he decided to retire to make everything focus on his political ambition.

I was thinking that if Manny will lose in the election, he might come back as he can now focus more on training.

That might be after the match between Crawford against the winner of the Ugas vs Spence Jr. bout.

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I don't think I would be gambling on this fight, even though we are aware of the fact regarding who won back in 2019, we still have to consider the fact that the opponent might have been preparing for their rematch since a really long time and how fast the tables can turn is something that we cannot say anything about.
Both are champions, the fight was a close one which does mean that, even though Spencer won before he could have been beaten even through a few points. Spencer might be the safe pick for most people. ( Regarding Manny) Plus blaming someone or something, as I see is not really a good thing, if he knew the problem, he could have done something about it before making a public statement. Everyone have excuses but we don't see everyone going after them after loosing..

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Ok let's not talk about Manny here, we all know that he has hang his gloves and he already accepted his losses to Ugas.

And it's good to see that the supposedly opponent of Manny that time, Spence will go on the ring again. So it's a battle as to who will be the best in the division. Unless Crawford has a say to it, I consider Spence to be the best and then followed by Ugas just because of his strength of winning against Pacquiao.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 03, 2022, 07:09:23 AM

Manny always had an excuse everytime he lose, maybe it's true but it's still an excuse.

When he lost to Mayweather, he said has a shoulder injury, and here he had cramps. If he really thinks he can win back the belt, he should have not retired yet, instead, he will choose to fight as Ugas is willing to give a rematch. No disrespect to him but my guy, he is already old, not in his prime anymore.

Actually, it may seem to be a many excuses of Manny whenever he losses on his fights, injuries are acceptable and so do the fact that he is already old. Whether, either which one the team of Manny will going to used as excuse it is undeniable that his age was now the main reason for the down graded of his speed. Manny is a great fighter and everyone knows it however every fighter are having a slow and down grading of speed and strength when they get old and that's inevitable. On the other hand, I think Manny made a great decision to finally retired to spare his body and health for any possible injuries he may attain when he continue to fight.

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