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March 20, 2023, 04:04:49 PM
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2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch
Hopefully if this scenario happens, Spence will be forced to risk his belt(s)

Do you mean Spence will stake his belts for the rematch with Thurman if he loses here? What will be forced is, Spence will risks his belt at 147 and might possibly face Crawford although as I said previously, there might not a chance now to see Spence fighting at 147 due to some problems.

I mean that's not possible since if the rematch will happened with Thurman, it will still be in 154 and his titles are all in 147.

I don't know though the rules of what will happen if let's say, Spence will ask for a rematch with Thurman and if he's still eligible to do that without vacating all his titles at 147. I think that's a rare case to happen or I just missed some same scenario in boxing history.

What I think is that we might see a different scenario once Thurman is able to defeat Spence at 154, there's a strong chance that the latter will ask for a rematch but since a rematch clause wasn't written on their contract (I suppose), Thurman has the choice to decline the offer if there's no belts at risks. And if a rematch won't materialize, Spence has two choices, first is he will vacate his belts at 147 and second is that he will defend his belt at 147 with a risk of facing the boxers he ducked. And this time, I think that their influence won't be used even if they wanted to because the WBC is already under criticism because of this fight.
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March 19, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
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2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch
Hopefully if this scenario happens, Spence will be forced to risk his belt(s)

Do you mean Spence will stake his belts for the rematch with Thurman if he loses here? What will be forced is, Spence will risks his belt at 147 and might possibly face Crawford although as I said previously, there might not a chance now to see Spence fighting at 147 due to some problems.

I mean that's not possible since if the rematch will happened with Thurman, it will still be in 154 and his titles are all in 147.

I don't know though the rules of what will happen if let's say, Spence will ask for a rematch with Thurman and if he's still eligible to do that without vacating all his titles at 147. I think that's a rare case to happen or I just missed some same scenario in boxing history.
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March 19, 2023, 03:23:50 PM
1. Spence vacating his belt and move to 154 lbs and chase Charlo if he wins here
Regardless of who will win? I think that depends because those 3 belts are somehow important to his existence now and will not think twice again to use their influence. Aside from that, his next fight might be next year and will try to hold the belts as much as possible while also trying to test his luck in the upper division.

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2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch
Hopefully if this scenario happens, Spence will be forced to risk his belt(s)

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3. Spence losing but go back to 147 lbs to defend his belt
If by chance he will get defeated by Keith Thurman, then he will probably have the same outcome for the boxers at 147 who are also eyeing his belts as the names of Crawford, Ennis and Ortiz Jr. will not be giving him an easy journey as they are already fed by his nonsense for holding the belts for a long time.
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March 18, 2023, 07:37:16 PM
3. Spence losing but go back to 147 lbs to defend his belt

Regarding this, I encountered an article way back when this fight is just being under negotiation stating that Spence doesn't have the capability now to remain dominant at 147, and that leads him to push a fight at 154. If let's say Spence loses here, he will just definitely continue his journey at 154 and have no choice but to vacant his titles at 147, again lowering the chance that he will face Crawford.

Don't know though if that can be considered a "real" reason or "excuse".

Personally, though, I want Spence to lose this fight against Thurman regardless of how low the chance for that to happen, for my own purpose to see what will be his next step if he really loses this fight, go straight to 154 or will now face Terence Crawford finally for the unification fight. He will now be cornered lol.
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March 18, 2023, 07:35:40 PM
Yeah, a single lucky converted punch from Thurman. He can make Spence to kiss the floor. We would see that during the live event we can expect an upset indeed as, like what you said, both are power punchers and if Thurman will be given a chance, then he will not waste any to convert that winning punch.

But, on the other side, Spence is really smart expect him not to be careless and to just play it and bring the game to his favor.

I'm not doubting Keith Thurman can find a good opening for a supposed lucky punch. But the question is, even Thurman will find many ways to penetrate his lucky punches, I'm doubting the power of those punches if capable of taking down Spence. Thurman is not that heavy puncher and since not active in big fights, that might result in his punches being soft, while on the other hand, Spence is currently at his peak so a simple with strong body resistance that a lucky punch can't just give a heavy toll on him.

Thurman is not also used on 154, and even the same with Spence, which is also not used on 154, it now depends on how active they are and maintain their shape during their training. If only Thurman remains active after losing to Pacquiao, he might have had the chance to pulverize Spence even at 154.

Good question and with your assessment, it might be possible for Thurman to find that good opening, but like what you said, can he execute a solid punch to put Spence down and kiss the canvass? A big question mark and on the other side, Spence is still at his peak and if he will be the one that will get that opportunity to take an open punch, the chance to see Thurman to go down and suffer with a KO.

Still, no one can accurately predict what might happen here. Both sides have their own opportunities if they will execute the plan the right way.

when Thurman lost to Pacquiao, his boxing career was put on hold. if he continued his career, i can agree that he can possibly beat spence easily. thurman right now is trying to get back again with the lost times. we don't know if this match will ever push thru. but thurman's camp can have their discussion to fight crawford, porter or danny garcia. whomever will agree with their camp. he needs to fight as soon as he can, so he's boxing career won't be stagnant for so long.
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March 18, 2023, 07:06:12 PM
Yeah, a single lucky converted punch from Thurman. He can make Spence to kiss the floor. We would see that during the live event we can expect an upset indeed as, like what you said, both are power punchers and if Thurman will be given a chance, then he will not waste any to convert that winning punch.

But, on the other side, Spence is really smart expect him not to be careless and to just play it and bring the game to his favor.

I'm not doubting Keith Thurman can find a good opening for a supposed lucky punch. But the question is, even Thurman will find many ways to penetrate his lucky punches, I'm doubting the power of those punches if capable of taking down Spence. Thurman is not that heavy puncher and since not active in big fights, that might result in his punches being soft, while on the other hand, Spence is currently at his peak so a simple with strong body resistance that a lucky punch can't just give a heavy toll on him.

Thurman is not also used on 154, and even the same with Spence, which is also not used on 154, it now depends on how active they are and maintain their shape during their training. If only Thurman remains active after losing to Pacquiao, he might have had the chance to pulverize Spence even at 154.

Good question and with your assessment, it might be possible for Thurman to find that good opening, but like what you said, can he execute a solid punch to put Spence down and kiss the canvass? A big question mark and on the other side, Spence is still at his peak and if he will be the one that will get that opportunity to take an open punch, the chance to see Thurman to go down and suffer with a KO.

Still, no one can accurately predict what might happen here. Both sides have their own opportunities if they will execute the plan the right way.
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March 18, 2023, 06:24:23 PM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

You have to understand that some of the votes came from "personal reasons" disregarding the technical analysis.

It's not even crazy to think of since you can't blame people to ignore how strong Spence is knowing he's a big disappointment for some boxing enthusiasts for not having the courage to even push for the much-expected fight against Terence Crawford.

Moving forward though, I want to see the aftermath of this fight regardless of who will win. Lots of "what if" scenarios here that are worth to wait.

Exactly mate, the votes made in this thread are not really because they favored Thurman and they believed that he is much stronger and skillful inside the ring. I mean, we probably know the answer about that but I'm one of those users who voted Thurman because of my personal hate towards Spence. Not just because he ducked the possible unification fight but also because they influenced the WBC to sanction the fight at 154 where it was supposed to happen at 147 as that's where Spence's belt is.

And same here, I just want to make this fight happen as soon as possible so that we will know what will be Spence's next step and Thurman as well as both boxers have nothing to lose here. No risks involved except adding either win or lose to their records.

It's important though for Spence to continue and win so that he won't have any blemished in his records. While Thurman already suffered a lost, but happy to be in the position to pull an upset if he can pull an upset.

Yes, it's true there are a scenarios that could play in the future like

1. Spence vacating his belt and move to 154 lbs and chase Charlo if he wins here
2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch
3. Spence losing but go back to 147 lbs to defend his belt
4. Thurman retired for good if he lost badly as he doesn't have the fire inside
5. Thurman winning and rematch Spence but this time at 147 lbs with all the belts on the line
6. Thurman winning and move to 154 lbs for good
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March 18, 2023, 12:00:50 PM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

You have to understand that some of the votes came from "personal reasons" disregarding the technical analysis.

It's not even crazy to think of since you can't blame people to ignore how strong Spence is knowing he's a big disappointment for some boxing enthusiasts for not having the courage to even push for the much-expected fight against Terence Crawford.

Moving forward though, I want to see the aftermath of this fight regardless of who will win. Lots of "what if" scenarios here that are worth to wait.

Exactly mate, the votes made in this thread are not really because they favored Thurman and they believed that he is much stronger and skillful inside the ring. I mean, we probably know the answer about that but I'm one of those users who voted Thurman because of my personal hate towards Spence. Not just because he ducked the possible unification fight but also because they influenced the WBC to sanction the fight at 154 where it was supposed to happen at 147 as that's where Spence's belt is.

And same here, I just want to make this fight happen as soon as possible so that we will know what will be Spence's next step and Thurman as well as both boxers have nothing to lose here. No risks involved except adding either win or lose to their records.
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March 18, 2023, 09:29:18 AM
Thurman might have really lose his hunger specially on how he lost to Manny. He was humbled by Pacquiao and then doesn't want to fight anymore until he comes back for Barrios but doesn't look good anymore. He is not known to have a good stamina or at least very vulnerable to body shots and for sure Spence are going to test that early. And then maybe faded rounds 8 and up and then really ripe to be taken out by him in 10 to 12 and maybe it's first time that he will lose by knockout.
I don't think so. He probably has his personal reasons for not coming back right away after his defeat against Pacquiao. The one who defeated him is a legend, so that should not make him look bad. What's important is that he came back and won a fight. Now, he has an opportunity to beat Spence in a match, and although he is the underdog, it should not make people think that he has no chance of winning.
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March 18, 2023, 06:40:49 AM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

You have to understand that some of the votes came from "personal reasons" disregarding the technical analysis.

It's not even crazy to think of since you can't blame people to ignore how strong Spence is knowing he's a big disappointment for some boxing enthusiasts for not having the courage to even push for the much-expected fight against Terence Crawford.

Moving forward though, I want to see the aftermath of this fight regardless of who will win. Lots of "what if" scenarios here that are worth to wait.
Yeah. Many will people vote according to what is in their hearts and not with what's in their minds. Also, Spence ducking Crawford for years now turned many fans into hatred and are wishing him to lose. I did vote for Spence KO/TKO as I don't see this current version of Thurman the same anymore before his accident wherein he went inactive for years and seems to lose his hunger and fire. But I also want Spence to lose here, TKO KO would be better. Cheesy But yeah, Spence will be too good. He might respect Thurman a little in the early rounds and will stick to his jab and fight smart and then once he can find the range and rhythm he will start to push forward and will take him out in the 2nd half. I even doubt Thurman hasz the stamina to go 12 rounds with Spence.

Thurman might have really lose his hunger specially on how he lost to Manny. He was humbled by Pacquiao and then doesn't want to fight anymore until he comes back for Barrios but doesn't look good anymore. He is not known to have a good stamina or at least very vulnerable to body shots and for sure Spence are going to test that early. And then maybe faded rounds 8 and up and then really ripe to be taken out by him in 10 to 12 and maybe it's first time that he will lose by knockout.
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March 18, 2023, 06:28:31 AM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

You have to understand that some of the votes came from "personal reasons" disregarding the technical analysis.

It's not even crazy to think of since you can't blame people to ignore how strong Spence is knowing he's a big disappointment for some boxing enthusiasts for not having the courage to even push for the much-expected fight against Terence Crawford.

Moving forward though, I want to see the aftermath of this fight regardless of who will win. Lots of "what if" scenarios here that are worth to wait.
Yeah. Many will people vote according to what is in their hearts and not with what's in their minds. Also, Spence ducking Crawford for years now turned many fans into hatred and are wishing him to lose. I did vote for Spence KO/TKO as I don't see this current version of Thurman the same anymore before his accident wherein he went inactive for years and seems to lose his hunger and fire. But I also want Spence to lose here, TKO KO would be better. Cheesy But yeah, Spence will be too good. He might respect Thurman a little in the early rounds and will stick to his jab and fight smart and then once he can find the range and rhythm he will start to push forward and will take him out in the 2nd half. I even doubt Thurman hasz the stamina to go 12 rounds with Spence.
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March 17, 2023, 07:48:59 PM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

I have the same observation that Thurman might get KO'ed in this fight since he is weak against body punches which Spence can take advantage of.  But on the contrary, Thurman is also a knockout puncher.  There is also a possibility that Thurman might find some weaknesses in Spence and beat Spence with them.

In a fight between two knock-out punchers, anything might happen.  So even though I think Spence has a huge advantage in this fight, I never ignore the fact that Thurman is also a good boxer and has the capability to KO his opponent.

Yeah, what we call a "puncher's chance", if Spence will lose his concentration in this fight, even for just one, maybe Thurman will slip his best punch and caught Spence. Just like what happen to his fight against Ugas, there were momentarily slip and Ugas take advantage of it and Spence almost goes down.

Here is the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI8PcDQ6ZiY

So who knows, on the other hand, Spence is a good body puncher too, and we have seen that Thurman doesn't want to get hit on the body. He grimaces in pain and move back, like in the Pacquiao fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8152wanVI&t=17s
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March 17, 2023, 07:45:40 PM
Yeah, a single lucky converted punch from Thurman. He can make Spence to kiss the floor. We would see that during the live event we can expect an upset indeed as, like what you said, both are power punchers and if Thurman will be given a chance, then he will not waste any to convert that winning punch.

But, on the other side, Spence is really smart expect him not to be careless and to just play it and bring the game to his favor.

I'm not doubting Keith Thurman can find a good opening for a supposed lucky punch. But the question is, even Thurman will find many ways to penetrate his lucky punches, I'm doubting the power of those punches if capable of taking down Spence. Thurman is not that heavy puncher and since not active in big fights, that might result in his punches being soft, while on the other hand, Spence is currently at his peak so a simple with strong body resistance that a lucky punch can't just give a heavy toll on him.

Thurman is not also used on 154, and even the same with Spence, which is also not used on 154, it now depends on how active they are and maintain their shape during their training. If only Thurman remains active after losing to Pacquiao, he might have had the chance to pulverize Spence even at 154.
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March 17, 2023, 07:04:25 PM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

I have the same observation that Thurman might get KO'ed in this fight since he is weak against body punches which Spence can take advantage of.  But on the contrary, Thurman is also a knockout puncher.  There is also a possibility that Thurman might find some weaknesses in Spence and beat Spence with them.

In a fight between two knock-out punchers, anything might happen.  So even though I think Spence has a huge advantage in this fight, I never ignore the fact that Thurman is also a good boxer and has the capability to KO his opponent.

Yeah, a single lucky converted punch from Thurman. He can make Spence to kiss the floor. We would see that during the live event we can expect an upset indeed as, like what you said, both are power punchers and if Thurman will be given a chance, then he will not waste any to convert that winning punch.

But, on the other side, Spence is really smart expect him not to be careless and to just play it and bring the game to his favor.
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March 17, 2023, 06:37:52 PM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

I have the same observation that Thurman might get KO'ed in this fight since he is weak against body punches which Spence can take advantage of.  But on the contrary, Thurman is also a knockout puncher.  There is also a possibility that Thurman might find some weaknesses in Spence and beat Spence with them.

In a fight between two knock-out punchers, anything might happen.  So even though I think Spence has a huge advantage in this fight, I never ignore the fact that Thurman is also a good boxer and has the capability to KO his opponent.
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March 17, 2023, 06:30:53 PM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

You have to understand that some of the votes came from "personal reasons" disregarding the technical analysis.

It's not even crazy to think of since you can't blame people to ignore how strong Spence is knowing he's a big disappointment for some boxing enthusiasts for not having the courage to even push for the much-expected fight against Terence Crawford.

Moving forward though, I want to see the aftermath of this fight regardless of who will win. Lots of "what if" scenarios here that are worth to wait.
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March 17, 2023, 10:57:26 AM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

"What's wrong with that? We vote based on our personal opinion, and while you might be right with your statement, it's better to be honest. I know Spence is a great boxer and a heavy favorite against Thurman, but that cannot change our decision. Let's just see the outcome of the fight and whether our expectations are met.

And it's probably some of us here are against Spence though, I mean with how he manage himself in the negotiations and failed to make a fight with Crawford. So many become anti-Spence and most likely they voted for Thurman to win.

So yeah, we have our own opinions, and most likely they will have to stick wit it for Thurman.

But I do agree that Spence has the upperhand here, and he will be the betting favorite.

He's the bookies favorite and according to stats he got the upper-hand, but we also need to understand that in this sport, upset can bring decent profits for those who love taking the big risk.

If luck permits and Thurman beat Spence, then the winning odd for those who believe
will be sweet.

That's normal because Thurman is almost viewed as a heavy underdog in this fight, so it is also expected that his odds will be that juicy especially the payout if ever Thurman will be successful on this fight. But we should stick to the chances because even if we hate Spence so much for ducking Crawford, let's not forget who truly have the upper hand and taking this fight at 154 might have another reasons aside from the fact that Spence have no belts to risk.
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March 17, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
We should set aside Erickson Lubin's challenge for now, and focus on making this fight happen first to see what the outcome will be. It's a big fight, and Thurman is definitely facing the biggest challenge of his career (after Pacman). If he loses here, it will be his second loss and it won't bode well for his career. Therefore, I expect him to be very well-prepared, as we all know how formidable Spence is in the ring.

Everyone is going to call Spence, and who is Erickson Lubin by the way? he hasn't make any names for himself and I doubt that he will be given the chance to be the next one to face either fighter.

Erickson Lubin is just an ordinary boxer in super-welter who is just trying to make himself relevant and surely he cannot have any chance to face Spence or Charlo at 154 as both champions already have boxers in line that have the mandatory belt. Lubin's last fight was against the young and undefeated Sebastian Fundora who currently possess the WBC Interim belt at 154, so unlike Lubin, this Fundora have the chance to take a bite at Charlo's belt.

Forget about that man Grin There's a lot of good boxers around 147 and 154 who truly got some skills and is still undefeated up until now. They are just waiting for a mandatory fights.

Hehehe, yeah I do agree, he hasn't fought anyone that he deserves even to be mentioned in a sentence with this 147 lbs.  Grin. We still have Tim Tszyu as well next in line for Charlo's belt, and maybe both Spence are going to move up in 154 lbs or even Crawford himself.

But still there are still a lot of good 147 lbs even if they move up in weight class.

For Spence, yeah that photo surfaces about a month ago but so far we haven't heard if he is going to sign with Oscar just to get that one fight that we all wanted to see, Spence vs Crawford.

It's quite surprising that this Lubin suddenly appeared out of the blue and saying stuff that he cannot even prove, he even got himself defeated while campaigning for the interim belt. How much more if it's against the champions like the names stated above, but surely, that's not gonna happen as he doesn't have any pre-requisites to have himself a chance to bite on the existence belts.

And for the most awaited up until now, Spence vs Crawford. That bout is still blur up until now because Spence or even Al Haymon didn't gave any signs that a unification bout is imminent, I guess we should wait first what will happen in the Thurman vs Spence fight.
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March 16, 2023, 10:07:52 AM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

"What's wrong with that? We vote based on our personal opinion, and while you might be right with your statement, it's better to be honest. I know Spence is a great boxer and a heavy favorite against Thurman, but that cannot change our decision. Let's just see the outcome of the fight and whether our expectations are met.

And it's probably some of us here are against Spence though, I mean with how he manage himself in the negotiations and failed to make a fight with Crawford. So many become anti-Spence and most likely they voted for Thurman to win.

So yeah, we have our own opinions, and most likely they will have to stick wit it for Thurman.

But I do agree that Spence has the upperhand here, and he will be the betting favorite.

Yes you are right that mate and I am one of those boxing fans hated Spence after he excuse their fight against undefeated boxer  Crawford and all I can say is that Spence kind of fighter that he won't fight his opponent if it's is stronger than him or have the same capability. Which is we all know that Spence and Crawford they are equal interms of fighting they are the same undefeated which say's that they are both strong and after that fight one of them will be the best and Spence won't let that happen because he already know he has a 50% win percentage against Crawford.
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March 16, 2023, 10:07:32 AM
It is absolutely crazy to me that half the people in this thread voted for Thurman to beat Spence.
This is going to be one of the biggest mismatches we've seen.
Thurman can't take body shots, he hates fighting at a fast pace and I don't think he can fight in the pocket particularly well.
I have researched this fight extensively and I can't see one way that Thurman beats Spence.
I think Spence stops Thurman in the 9th round.

"What's wrong with that? We vote based on our personal opinion, and while you might be right with your statement, it's better to be honest. I know Spence is a great boxer and a heavy favorite against Thurman, but that cannot change our decision. Let's just see the outcome of the fight and whether our expectations are met.

And it's probably some of us here are against Spence though, I mean with how he manage himself in the negotiations and failed to make a fight with Crawford. So many become anti-Spence and most likely they voted for Thurman to win.

So yeah, we have our own opinions, and most likely they will have to stick wit it for Thurman.

But I do agree that Spence has the upperhand here, and he will be the betting favorite.

He's the bookies favorite and according to stats he got the upper-hand, but we also need to understand that in this sport, upset can bring decent profits for those who love taking the big risk.

If luck permits and Thurman beat Spence, then the winning odd for those who believe
will be sweet.
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