Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman - page 13.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on March 01, 2023, 06:23:42 AM

The biggest paycheck but also the reason why he moves away for a while in this sport, that lost against Pacquiao is, surely
the one that he will never forget.

That's Pacman challenging a younger champion. Of course, no champion would say no to that opportunity as they fight a hall of famer once in their boxing career. Yes, he lost but it's not an embarrassing loss as he really fought hard and gave the judges a difficult task in their job.

Quote from: carlisle1 on March 01, 2023, 06:23:42 AM

A prime Thurman against the aging Pacquiao with those trash talks that backfire on him, who will forget about that right?

We will always remember that, but we have to understand that it's just part of the game. Trash-talking is normal these days and it makes the fight interesting to watch.

Quote from: carlisle1 on March 01, 2023, 06:23:42 AM

But moving forward, it will be another shot for him, even there's no title but the career enhancement if Thurman successfully
upset Spence here.

He should not waste this opportunity, I don't have much to say as I believe that Thurman understands how big the stake here.

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Quote from: MiliMil on February 27, 2023, 02:19:42 PM

Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

We cannot really confirm that whether if it is true or not, those are just speculations made in the past and up until now.

Besides, we cannot really blame Thurman if he didn't gave Spence a chance for a title shot few years back because back at the day, welterweight is still a pretty stacked-up division. You got names like Pacquiao and Mayweather on the same division, while Spence at that time was still a hotshot haven't got a chance because a fight with him is not profitable. You know that boxing is always business first.

Yes, and on the other hand, there are reports saying that Spence duck Thurman when he become a champion. So we really don't know who duck who during Thurman's prime and reign as 147 lbs. They are still both under Al Haymon, but we all know that Spence is now the A-side in that stable.

But now we will have a chance to see it, maybe it was 2-3 years late though, as Thurman got injured and then he fight Manny because that is the biggest paycheck for him.

The biggest paycheck but also the reason why he moves away for a while in this sport, that lost against Pacquiao is, surely
the one that he will never forget.

A prime Thurman against the aging Pacquiao with those trash talks that backfire on him, who will forget about that right?

But moving forward, it will be another shot for him, even there's no title but the career enhancement if Thurman successfully
upset Spence here.

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Quote from: stadus on February 28, 2023, 02:31:25 PM

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Quote from: Getmon on February 28, 2023, 03:44:10 AM

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

They have their own strategy, and I believe what Thurman did to Pacman, which is trash-talking, is not to distract him but to gain the attention of the fans and market their upcoming fight. Pacman will not be affected by any trash talk, as he has been in boxing for more than a decade already, so it's not new to him.

I guess it's both because I also remember that Thurman somehow underestimated Pacquiao and thought that a trashtalk will somehow give some troubles to the latter but it didn't worked as Thurman was the one who kissed the canvass in the early rounds of their fight whereas he was the one who had the ultimate motive to do the same.

Back on the fight, I know that Thurman is thirsty and hungry to get a title and be a champion once again but this journey won't be that easy because Spence got a strong body punch that could probably also crack Thurman in the early rounds. He should watch out for that though as it's expected that Spence won't go easy on him as this is a bit personal for him because of what happened few years back.

Thurman was barking at the wrong person. Additionally, Pacquiao, who does not speak English fluently, was only laughing because of the language barrier. Adrien Broner just laughed maybe because of the language barrier too. Broner thought Pacquiao would laugh at his trash talks instead of benefit from them.

I and MiliMil have the same opinion about this match. Errol Spence has a straightforward victory here. The corner of Thurman will stop it or the referee will. But I do not think it is true that Thurman avoided Spence for a long time. Thurman clearly desired the well-known names. The target was Mayweather and the other champions.

Yes, I do believed that although Manny understand English, he has in no shape or form wanted to get back at all the trash talking that either Broner and Thurman throws. So their trash talking is not that effective.

But for this fight, two Americans will obviously throws everything, make a lot of noise in the media and probably Thurman telling that Spence has avoided him for years and yada yada trash talk. And most likely Spence will make a field day cracking at how Thurman lost to the old Manny.

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Quote from: Getmon on February 28, 2023, 03:44:10 AM

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

They have their own strategy, and I believe what Thurman did to Pacman, which is trash-talking, is not to distract him but to gain the attention of the fans and market their upcoming fight. Pacman will not be affected by any trash talk, as he has been in boxing for more than a decade already, so it's not new to him.

I guess it's both because I also remember that Thurman somehow underestimated Pacquiao and thought that a trashtalk will somehow give some troubles to the latter but it didn't worked as Thurman was the one who kissed the canvass in the early rounds of their fight whereas he was the one who had the ultimate motive to do the same.

Back on the fight, I know that Thurman is thirsty and hungry to get a title and be a champion once again but this journey won't be that easy because Spence got a strong body punch that could probably also crack Thurman in the early rounds. He should watch out for that though as it's expected that Spence won't go easy on him as this is a bit personal for him because of what happened few years back.

Thurman was barking at the wrong person. Additionally, Pacquiao, who does not speak English fluently, was only laughing because of the language barrier. Adrien Broner just laughed maybe because of the language barrier too. Broner thought Pacquiao would laugh at his trash talks instead of benefit from them.

I and MiliMil have the same opinion about this match. Errol Spence has a straightforward victory here. The corner of Thurman will stop it or the referee will. But I do not think it is true that Thurman avoided Spence for a long time. Thurman clearly desired the well-known names. The target was Mayweather and the other champions.

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Quote from: freedomgo on February 28, 2023, 11:27:29 AM

Quote from: MiliMil on February 27, 2023, 02:19:42 PM

Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

We cannot really confirm that whether if it is true or not, those are just speculations made in the past and up until now.

Besides, we cannot really blame Thurman if he didn't gave Spence a chance for a title shot few years back because back at the day, welterweight is still a pretty stacked-up division. You got names like Pacquiao and Mayweather on the same division, while Spence at that time was still a hotshot haven't got a chance because a fight with him is not profitable. You know that boxing is always business first.

Yes, and on the other hand, there are reports saying that Spence duck Thurman when he become a champion. So we really don't know who duck who during Thurman's prime and reign as 147 lbs. They are still both under Al Haymon, but we all know that Spence is now the A-side in that stable.

But now we will have a chance to see it, maybe it was 2-3 years late though, as Thurman got injured and then he fight Manny because that is the biggest paycheck for him.

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Quote from: Questat on February 28, 2023, 04:00:51 AM

Quote from: Getmon on February 28, 2023, 03:44:10 AM

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

They have their own strategy, and I believe what Thurman did to Pacman, which is trash-talking, is not to distract him but to gain the attention of the fans and market their upcoming fight. Pacman will not be affected by any trash talk, as he has been in boxing for more than a decade already, so it's not new to him.

I guess it's both because I also remember that Thurman somehow underestimated Pacquiao and thought that a trashtalk will somehow give some troubles to the latter but it didn't worked as Thurman was the one who kissed the canvass in the early rounds of their fight whereas he was the one who had the ultimate motive to do the same.

Back on the fight, I know that Thurman is thirsty and hungry to get a title and be a champion once again but this journey won't be that easy because Spence got a strong body punch that could probably also crack Thurman in the early rounds. He should watch out for that though as it's expected that Spence won't go easy on him as this is a bit personal for him because of what happened few years back.

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Quote from: MiliMil on February 27, 2023, 02:19:42 PM

Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

We cannot really confirm that whether if it is true or not, those are just speculations made in the past and up until now.

Besides, we cannot really blame Thurman if he didn't gave Spence a chance for a title shot few years back because back at the day, welterweight is still a pretty stacked-up division. You got names like Pacquiao and Mayweather on the same division, while Spence at that time was still a hotshot haven't got a chance because a fight with him is not profitable. You know that boxing is always business first.

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Quote from: Getmon on February 28, 2023, 03:44:10 AM

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

Well, I'm not sure if you knew that trash talks won't technically work for Pacman. First, because trash talks in American language has lesser impact for the Filipinos because there's a bit of a language barrier between these two. Though Pacman understands english but the way it's delivered, it has lesser impact than trash talking in a Filipino language.
Second, it will never gonna work since Rios and Margarito had way way worst trash talking than Thurman did. We all knew what happened so...

I highly doubt this will end in a TKO. Spence as we all know, won't gonna fight like he's underestimating his opponent. I kinda have the feeling that Thurman is still capable of giving us a good fight against Spence.

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Quote from: Getmon on February 28, 2023, 03:44:10 AM

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

They have their own strategy, and I believe what Thurman did to Pacman, which is trash-talking, is not to distract him but to gain the attention of the fans and market their upcoming fight. Pacman will not be affected by any trash talk, as he has been in boxing for more than a decade already, so it's not new to him.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 23, 2023, 06:30:53 PM

Yes, and what's funny is, everyone is talking about him beating Manny, because he has all the advantage and then the trash talk his way on that fight to the put that he really belittles the Legend. But look at what happen to him, he can't beat a past prime Pacquiao and even handed his ass down on the canvass? And then he went on this comeback fight a 140 lbs boxer that Gervonta Davis knock down several times, cut his face and beat him badly and score a tko in 11th. So what more can we ask for Thurman fighting a prime Spence? So we shouldn't be surprised if he get knock down again or even lost by ko/tko.

I think those trash talks are just for publicity to entice sports fan into watching their fight to see if Thurman can walk the talk. As far as I know deep inside, Thurman has respect to Manny, and those words utter by Thurman is to heat up the match-up, which I think is successful because we are talking about it right (Thurman's bragging and bullying) now.

I also think that there is a huge possibility that Thurman will be kissing the canvas again in this fight. His weakness had been exposed so it is possible that Spence will take advantage of it.

In boxing, there are casual trash talks that are common. However, Thurman made an effort for his trashtalks to become personal. In order to distract Pacquiao, he attempted to get under his skin but failed deliberately.

Errol Spence will force Keith Thurman to kiss the canvas. Thurman was down by the body punch of Pacquiao and Spence is more well known for working on the bodies of his opponents. By TKO, Thurman will lose.

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Quote from: Pamadar on February 28, 2023, 12:41:19 AM

Fans who got disappointed with how Spence handles the negotiations between him and Crawford will surely take sides with Thurman. People who are not satisfied with the way Spence avoids that possible fight will aim for Thurman.

It's nice to see an upset even there's no belt that being risked here. There are always fame and career hypes
that can happen if Thurman will win against Spence.

I'm rooting for Thurman too and I'm sure he has a high chance of beating Spence compared to his past opponents because Thurman has fought Manny Pacquiao and that experience alone gives him skills on how to effectively perform next in his fight. Spence has been avoiding potential opponents that can actually beat him and not doing all he can and his management to get him the honor and merits he should have because all they want is obviously just money and they will gonna avoid huge risks so that they can preserve his clean record and to boast about it.

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So in cases he lost, he can go back to 147 and defend his belt. Very wise decision on the side of Spence, and too bad that Thurman want's to be his dance partner.

That's the reason why people will want to watch the fight, to see Spence losing the match against Thurman.

I want that to happen and will wait what will be his next plans after he loses.

Although technically, I don't see how Thurman will win against Spence but I hope so.

Fans who got disappointed with how Spence handles the negotiations between him and Crawford will surely take sides with Thurman. People who are not satisfied with the way Spence avoids that possible fight will aim for Thurman.

It's nice to see an upset even there's no belt that being risked here. There are always fame and career hypes
that can happen if Thurman will win against Spence.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 27, 2023, 06:16:25 PM

So in cases he lost, he can go back to 147 and defend his belt. Very wise decision on the side of Spence, and too bad that Thurman want's to be his dance partner.

That's the reason why people will want to watch the fight, to see Spence losing the match against Thurman.

I want that to happen and will wait what will be his next plans after he loses.

Although technically, I don't see how Thurman will win against Spence but I hope so.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 26, 2023, 06:45:11 AM

People are eagerly anticipating the upcoming Spence vs Thurman fight, which is one of the biggest fights of the year even though it's not a title fight.

I think it's not. People are not eager to watch Spence vs Thurman because that was a disappointment.

Spence vs. Crawford is the one that people want to watch. Another thing, if not against Crawford, Spence should defend his title at 148 but instead, he will fight at 154. Thurman can be a mandatory challenger too at 148 but in the end, they will fight at 154 with no title at stake.

How can people be interested in watching this match if that's pure nonsense?

Definitely, the most anticipated fight that we want in this division is Spence vs Crawford. And now we have [Boxing]: Eimantas Stanionis vs Vergil Ortiz Jr - April 29, which is a true 147 lbs fight.

Then the David vs Garcia and Haney vs Loma, I think this is the fight that boxing fans are willing to pay to watch live and in PPV. This fight is just for Spence to move on because of the failed fight with Crawford and then picking as somewhat a still good boxer in Thurman but no belt on the line. So in cases he lost, he can go back to 147 and defend his belt. Very wise decision on the side of Spence, and too bad that Thurman want's to be his dance partner.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 26, 2023, 06:45:11 AM

People are eagerly anticipating the upcoming Spence vs Thurman fight, which is one of the biggest fights of the year even though it's not a title fight.

I think it's not. People are not eager to watch Spence vs Thurman because that was a disappointment.

Spence vs. Crawford is the one that people want to watch. Another thing, if not against Crawford, Spence should defend his title at 148 but instead, he will fight at 154. Thurman can be a mandatory challenger too at 148 but in the end, they will fight at 154 with no title at stake.

How can people be interested in watching this match if that's pure nonsense?

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 23, 2023, 06:30:53 PM

Yes, and what's funny is, everyone is talking about him beating Manny, because he has all the advantage and then the trash talk his way on that fight to the put that he really belittles the Legend. But look at what happen to him, he can't beat a past prime Pacquiao and even handed his ass down on the canvass? And then he went on this comeback fight a 140 lbs boxer that Gervonta Davis knock down several times, cut his face and beat him badly and score a tko in 11th. So what more can we ask for Thurman fighting a prime Spence? So we shouldn't be surprised if he get knock down again or even lost by ko/tko.

I think those trash talks are just for publicity to entice sports fan into watching their fight to see if Thurman can walk the talk. As far as I know deep inside, Thurman has respect to Manny, and those words utter by Thurman is to heat up the match-up, which I think is successful because we are talking about it right (Thurman's bragging and bullying) now.

I also think that there is a huge possibility that Thurman will be kissing the canvas again in this fight. His weakness had been exposed so it is possible that Spence will take advantage of it.

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Thurman ducked Spence for years when he was the champion and they were both under Al Haymon.

Thurman has always been scared of Spence and knows he'll got KO'ed.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spence stops him out easily if they ever fight.

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Quote from: Russlenat on February 26, 2023, 03:50:50 AM

They will have to fight to determine the winner, but we have our favorite fighter that we are rooting for. As for Spence, he is the favorite of this fight, so it's not surprising that most of the comments favor his advantage to win. However, we have to remember that before Thurman lost to Pacquiao, they were of the same status, or Thurman even had the upper hand.

People are eagerly anticipating the upcoming Spence vs Thurman fight, which is one of the biggest fights of the year even though it's not a title fight. Spence is always well-prepared and is capable of giving Thurman a tough fight, as he did against Ugas and Porter. We should expect an explosive fight and cheer on the fighter we believe will win.

As of Feb 2 which this article is dated, spence is highly favored with -900 odds. That's insane because it almost tells us that Thurman has no chance of winning.

With that kind of odds, bettors mostly wait till the live fight take place as there are other options to bet with the fighters and the possible
outcome of the fight.

But if you are a Thurman believer that huge odd will surely attract you and you will take it as early as now if the odd is already available.

Underdog supporters' loves to see this kind of opportunities, they will take that big risk then wait if upset will take place.

In this case, it's not just the sports bookies are viewing that Thurman got a weak chance over Spence but a lot of bettors as well do have the same perspective. I mean, I pretty much would like to see Thurman as well having a good time again at the peak of his prime but honestly, I'm not really expecting that outcome as Spence is really a tough boxer to take on.

Fact is, Thurman wasted quite a lot of time after his first loss and those time that was wasted has a toll on him whether we like it or not. But for the Thurman believers, those facts doesn't mean a thing as for them they will always support him even if the odds suggests that his chances are not that good.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 26, 2023, 06:45:11 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on February 26, 2023, 03:50:50 AM

They will have to fight to determine the winner, but we have our favorite fighter that we are rooting for. As for Spence, he is the favorite of this fight, so it's not surprising that most of the comments favor his advantage to win. However, we have to remember that before Thurman lost to Pacquiao, they were of the same status, or Thurman even had the upper hand.

People are eagerly anticipating the upcoming Spence vs Thurman fight, which is one of the biggest fights of the year even though it's not a title fight. Spence is always well-prepared and is capable of giving Thurman a tough fight, as he did against Ugas and Porter. We should expect an explosive fight and cheer on the fighter we believe will win.

As of Feb 2 which this article is dated, spence is highly favored with -900 odds. That's insane because it almost tells us that Thurman has no chance of winning.

With that kind of odds, bettors mostly wait till the live fight take place as there are other options to bet with the fighters and the possible
outcome of the fight.

But if you are a Thurman believer that huge odd will surely attract you and you will take it as early as now if the odd is already available.

Underdog supporters' loves to see this kind of opportunities, they will take that big risk then wait if upset will take place.

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Quote from: Russlenat on February 26, 2023, 03:50:50 AM

They will have to fight to determine the winner, but we have our favorite fighter that we are rooting for. As for Spence, he is the favorite of this fight, so it's not surprising that most of the comments favor his advantage to win. However, we have to remember that before Thurman lost to Pacquiao, they were of the same status, or Thurman even had the upper hand.

People are eagerly anticipating the upcoming Spence vs Thurman fight, which is one of the biggest fights of the year even though it's not a title fight. Spence is always well-prepared and is capable of giving Thurman a tough fight, as he did against Ugas and Porter. We should expect an explosive fight and cheer on the fighter we believe will win.

As of Feb 2 which this article is dated, spence is highly favored with -900 odds. That's insane because it almost tells us that Thurman has no chance of winning.

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