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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

It really seems to me that Errol Spence Jr. is just messing with everyone else's time without any intention to make a fight happen, in a recent article that I've read about this Spence-Thurman fight, they are saying that they are targeting the fight somewhere in April but up until now there's no official announcement that a fight is indeed happening at the forecasted month. Surely they need over a month to market the fight, so it's safe to say that there will no fight happening in April.

Moreover, Errol Spence Jr. is not afraid to cancel this fight because there's no belt at risk, so there will be no stripping of belts that will happen. This kind of boxer shouldn't be supported, I know he got talents but this is too much, he doesn't deserve to have belts if this is way to keep them safe.

April is just around the corner, so I doubt that the target date for this fight is going to happen. And worst, we haven't heard any yet from both camp if this fight is push or not regardless of what date it is.

Spence has been given by the body to not fight for the belt in the line, but to go up in 154 lbs. So he has all the privilege given to him and yet he is taking advantage of it. Although I saw some tweet that Spence vs Crawford is going to happen in June, but I think the person is just a troll so I won't post it here.

That's really not possible. WBC president gave Spence this kind of advantage where he could have a mandatory fight and bring it to 154 for a reason because there's a twist on it, in-order to make the Crawford vs Spence unification fight, Spence should make this happen first and deal with Thurman. But since we have no clues here about this bout, it is indeed safe to assume that there will be no unification fight or even Spence-Thurman fight.

I agree with @stadus, Spence is way beyond the line and already gave the industry a bad image just because he wanted to secure the belts without fighting any boxers that are tougher than him. And there's this Al Haymon who is backing Spence to have his way.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 25, 2023, 09:37:44 AM

Quote from: Shamm on March 25, 2023, 09:12:46 AM

You are right that mate, Pacquiao has 1 word if he said that he will fight then he will fight so When the promoter said that he is going to fight Spence jr. Then he trained and study the possible move and fighting skills of Spence but when the fight is near Spence the Actor made an issue in order to stop the fight and then he blackout and replace with the other prime boxer Ugas which is Pacquiao only have 2 weeks to study the fight of Ugas and that two weeks are too short and the result is pacman loss the fight but he fight with honor and it's okay to loss.

Now that Spence could potentially fight a real fighter who gave Pacman a tough challenge, I don't believe that he will easily beat Thurman. Thurman was once a champion and is coming back to reclaim his spot, so it will be a tough fight for Spence. I hope Spence does not make excuses this time around. Although it's a non-title fight as far as I know, he still has nothing to lose.

Nothing to lose and probably have a better chance to quit if he doesn't feel fighting Thurman though the chance is still there since no belts and more on money fight for Spence, while for Thurman even there's no belt the hype from social media will help him to earn the possibility of finding a good fight for him after successfully taking Spence.

We don't know what will happen as there's no update yet and no noise around the social media platform regarding to this fight.

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Quote from: Shamm on March 25, 2023, 09:12:46 AM

You are right that mate, Pacquiao has 1 word if he said that he will fight then he will fight so When the promoter said that he is going to fight Spence jr. Then he trained and study the possible move and fighting skills of Spence but when the fight is near Spence the Actor made an issue in order to stop the fight and then he blackout and replace with the other prime boxer Ugas which is Pacquiao only have 2 weeks to study the fight of Ugas and that two weeks are too short and the result is pacman loss the fight but he fight with honor and it's okay to loss.

Now that Spence could potentially fight a real fighter who gave Pacman a tough challenge, I don't believe that he will easily beat Thurman. Thurman was once a champion and is coming back to reclaim his spot, so it will be a tough fight for Spence. I hope Spence does not make excuses this time around. Although it's a non-title fight as far as I know, he still has nothing to lose.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

It really seems to me that Errol Spence Jr. is just messing with everyone else's time without any intention to make a fight happen, in a recent article that I've read about this Spence-Thurman fight, they are saying that they are targeting the fight somewhere in April but up until now there's no official announcement that a fight is indeed happening at the forecasted month. Surely they need over a month to market the fight, so it's safe to say that there will no fight happening in April.

Moreover, Errol Spence Jr. is not afraid to cancel this fight because there's no belt at risk, so there will be no stripping of belts that will happen. This kind of boxer shouldn't be supported, I know he got talents but this is too much, he doesn't deserve to have belts if this is way to keep them safe.

A kind of fighter who always have reason if he doesn't want to fight, I remember him making excuses when the time
he's been dealt against Pacquiao.

When the fight is nearing, he managed to bring issue to excuse himself in that fight, forcing Pacquiao to fight against Ugas
where he didn't prepare well but a fighter like Pacquiao who will not backout.

He fought and lost but with respect to everyone as he did try everything but he's no longer on the same level.

You are right that mate, Pacquiao has 1 word if he said that he will fight then he will fight so When the promoter said that he is going to fight Spence jr. Then he trained and study the possible move and fighting skills of Spence but when the fight is near Spence the Actor made an issue in order to stop the fight and then he blackout and replace with the other prime boxer Ugas which is Pacquiao only have 2 weeks to study the fight of Ugas and that two weeks are too short and the result is pacman loss the fight but he fight with honor and it's okay to loss.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

It really seems to me that Errol Spence Jr. is just messing with everyone else's time without any intention to make a fight happen, in a recent article that I've read about this Spence-Thurman fight, they are saying that they are targeting the fight somewhere in April but up until now there's no official announcement that a fight is indeed happening at the forecasted month. Surely they need over a month to market the fight, so it's safe to say that there will no fight happening in April.

Moreover, Errol Spence Jr. is not afraid to cancel this fight because there's no belt at risk, so there will be no stripping of belts that will happen. This kind of boxer shouldn't be supported, I know he got talents but this is too much, he doesn't deserve to have belts if this is way to keep them safe.

A kind of fighter who always have reason if he doesn't want to fight, I remember him making excuses when the time
he's been dealt against Pacquiao.

When the fight is nearing, he managed to bring issue to excuse himself in that fight, forcing Pacquiao to fight against Ugas
where he didn't prepare well but a fighter like Pacquiao who will not backout.

He fought and lost but with respect to everyone as he did try everything but he's no longer on the same level.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

It really seems to me that Errol Spence Jr. is just messing with everyone else's time without any intention to make a fight happen, in a recent article that I've read about this Spence-Thurman fight, they are saying that they are targeting the fight somewhere in April but up until now there's no official announcement that a fight is indeed happening at the forecasted month. Surely they need over a month to market the fight, so it's safe to say that there will no fight happening in April.

Moreover, Errol Spence Jr. is not afraid to cancel this fight because there's no belt at risk, so there will be no stripping of belts that will happen. This kind of boxer shouldn't be supported, I know he got talents but this is too much, he doesn't deserve to have belts if this is way to keep them safe.

April is just around the corner, so I doubt that the target date for this fight is going to happen. And worst, we haven't heard any yet from both camp if this fight is push or not regardless of what date it is.

Spence has been given by the body to not fight for the belt in the line, but to go up in 154 lbs. So he has all the privilege given to him and yet he is taking advantage of it. Although I saw some tweet that Spence vs Crawford is going to happen in June, but I think the person is just a troll so I won't post it here.

I don't think so As I observe the attitude of Spence he is trying to play with us, spence and team will afraid of losing so that when spence have a chance of fighting stronger than him or strong enough they will refuse or let say they have many excuses and I think once the team Spence find a not strong fighter and they think that it's an easy win for spence then for sure he is going to fight. And there no excuses .

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

It really seems to me that Errol Spence Jr. is just messing with everyone else's time without any intention to make a fight happen, in a recent article that I've read about this Spence-Thurman fight, they are saying that they are targeting the fight somewhere in April but up until now there's no official announcement that a fight is indeed happening at the forecasted month. Surely they need over a month to market the fight, so it's safe to say that there will no fight happening in April.

Moreover, Errol Spence Jr. is not afraid to cancel this fight because there's no belt at risk, so there will be no stripping of belts that will happen. This kind of boxer shouldn't be supported, I know he got talents but this is too much, he doesn't deserve to have belts if this is way to keep them safe.

April is just around the corner, so I doubt that the target date for this fight is going to happen. And worst, we haven't heard any yet from both camp if this fight is push or not regardless of what date it is.

Spence has been given by the body to not fight for the belt in the line, but to go up in 154 lbs. So he has all the privilege given to him and yet he is taking advantage of it. Although I saw some tweet that Spence vs Crawford is going to happen in June, but I think the person is just a troll so I won't post it here.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

It really seems to me that Errol Spence Jr. is just messing with everyone else's time without any intention to make a fight happen, in a recent article that I've read about this Spence-Thurman fight, they are saying that they are targeting the fight somewhere in April but up until now there's no official announcement that a fight is indeed happening at the forecasted month. Surely they need over a month to market the fight, so it's safe to say that there will no fight happening in April.

Moreover, Errol Spence Jr. is not afraid to cancel this fight because there's no belt at risk, so there will be no stripping of belts that will happen. This kind of boxer shouldn't be supported, I know he got talents but this is too much, he doesn't deserve to have belts if this is way to keep them safe.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 24, 2023, 01:09:14 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

They can fight since Spence got the guarantee that there's no belt behind this fight, but yes the schedule is not yet finalized or we don't have any updates if when will this fight will happen, I'm also believing that there are fans who wanted to see these fight to happen, a good fight between two known fighters one is a current undefeated champ and the other one was the former champ with a good fighting records.

Let's wait for the finalization if both fighters will agree on any specific date for these fights to take place.

The finalization of the deal is taking too long. There are already some boxing news sites getting a doubt whether the fight will happen or not. It was also stated that it is almost a year of idleness for Errol Spence and thinking that the sanctioning body should make its move to either get serious in mandating mandatory fights for Errol Spence or stripped him of the title since he is holding the title for too long without defending it.

This site[1] even asked why Spence isn't stripped of his title yet.

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Why isn’t Spence being stripped? Spence has been holding his three welterweight titles hostage for the last eleven months, and it’s going to look silly if the sanctioning bodies don’t strip him soon. The aging Spence can’t keep those belts as a permanent lifetime champion without defending them.

Source: Is Errol Spence Fighting Keith Thurman? Where Is He? - Boxing News 24 (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/is-errol-spence-fighting-keith-thurman-where-is-he/)

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/03/is-errol-spence-fighting-keith-thurman-where-is-he/

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

They can fight since Spence got the guarantee that there's no belt behind this fight, but yes the schedule is not yet finalized or we don't have any updates if when will this fight will happen, I'm also believing that there are fans who wanted to see these fight to happen, a good fight between two known fighters one is a current undefeated champ and the other one was the former champ with a good fighting records.

Let's wait for the finalization if both fighters will agree on any specific date for these fights to take place.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Yes it's been 5 months but for now there's no final announcement yet but I think if this fight will came through then it's will good as we can see that A lot of people around the world who want to watch a good and close fight and for sure these two fighter will give us . But for now it's hard to say that Spence and Thurman will fight in the ring. And about Spence then I don't think so if we really want to fight strong fighters.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on March 23, 2023, 08:26:37 AM

Let's see about this one, I'm under the impression that this fight could easily be made since Crawford has no promotional ties and we have seen him and Oscar in public.

It's also a mandatory fight, so he'll have to accept the challenge, and I think there will be no problem with that even without the promoter since it's already mandatory.

So maybe he will accept this fight as compare to the Thurman vs Spence which might take some time to make as both are boxing diva and maybe wanted more money for that big fight.

it's a different to Crawford, I'm not sure what happen here but Thurman vs Spence should be an exciting fight to watch, and when it comes to money matters, I guess Spence should be the one dictating the slice since he is the more popular fighter and a champion.

Just to be clear though, even if it is mandatory, these boxers may or may not follow the organization. There are a lot of instances already in the past, just like Spence fight, he should be fighting his mandatory but he was allowed to pick Thurman here.

It's always been money if the fight is going to be delayed, unless either one of them has back out of the fight and doesn't want it anymore. But I do agree that Spence should get the lion share here. Thurman is no longer the champion and has been out in the boxing, and his last win against Barrios in not that impressive.

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Let's see about this one, I'm under the impression that this fight could easily be made since Crawford has no promotional ties and we have seen him and Oscar in public.

It's also a mandatory fight, so he'll have to accept the challenge, and I think there will be no problem with that even without the promoter since it's already mandatory.

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

So maybe he will accept this fight as compare to the Thurman vs Spence which might take some time to make as both are boxing diva and maybe wanted more money for that big fight.

it's a different to Crawford, I'm not sure what happen here but Thurman vs Spence should be an exciting fight to watch, and when it comes to money matters, I guess Spence should be the one dictating the slice since he is the more popular fighter and a champion.

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So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Both are under PBC so this is easy to made, so we don't know what's holding it up. Maybe it's all about the money?

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 23, 2023, 07:19:57 AM

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

Let's see about this one, I'm under the impression that this fight could easily be made since Crawford has no promotional ties and we have seen him and Oscar in public. So maybe he will accept this fight as compare to the Thurman vs Spence which might take some time to make as both are boxing diva and maybe wanted more money for that big fight.

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So I started this thread last year and it's nearly 5 months already and there is no deal yet between Spence and Thurman? That leads to the assumption as to how hard it is to reach an agreement with Spence. First, he killed the potential undisputed fight with Crawford who's been waiting for nearly a year for nothing. Now the WBC is giving Spence the favor to fight a very popular but out of his prime opponent which includes a crazy VIP treatment of making the fight at 154. Errol Spence is getting annoying.

Now the WBO is mandating Crawford to face Rocha. I just hope the WBA and IBF will do the same since Spence seems not serious about the WBC mandatory on Thurman. I really hope Spence gets ktfo so badly in his next fight, boxing is better without him.

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2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch

Hopefully if this scenario happens, Spence will be forced to risk his belt(s)

Do you mean Spence will stake his belts for the rematch with Thurman if he loses here? What will be forced is, Spence will risks his belt at 147 and might possibly face Crawford although as I said previously, there might not a chance now to see Spence fighting at 147 due to some problems.

I mean that's not possible since if the rematch will happened with Thurman, it will still be in 154 and his titles are all in 147.

I don't know though the rules of what will happen if let's say, Spence will ask for a rematch with Thurman and if he's still eligible to do that without vacating all his titles at 147. I think that's a rare case to happen or I just missed some same scenario in boxing history.

What I think is that we might see a different scenario once Thurman is able to defeat Spence at 154, there's a strong chance that the latter will ask for a rematch but since a rematch clause wasn't written on their contract (I suppose), Thurman has the choice to decline the offer if there's no belts at risks. And if a rematch won't materialize, Spence has two choices, first is he will vacate his belts at 147 and second is that he will defend his belt at 147 with a risk of facing the boxers he ducked. And this time, I think that their influence won't be used even if they wanted to because the WBC is already under criticism because of this fight.

If I will be on the shoes of Keith Thurman, I certainly wouldn't give Errol Spence a chance of a rematch in-case if I win especially if there are no belts on the line as it will be a total waste of time and preparations will be redundant. Thurman knew that he has to chase the right people in-order to grab the belts but considering Spence's behavior after he got the 3-belts, it's somehow convincing enough that he won't be giving the belts easily.

Might be, but they are under the same promotional company in PBC, so there is a good chance that they are going to be a rematch if Spence losses to Thurman. Of course, Thurman might get the bigger share or at least 50/50 split in the rematch.

However, not sure if Thurman will allow this happen, maybe if he was caught by a lucky punch and then go down and knockout. But if the score went to judges scorecard, maybe they will give Spence the benefit as he is one of the cash cow right now.

Yes, there's a chance it could happen and there's a chance that it wouldn't because Al Haymon no matter how powerful he is now in the industry, he still cannot force Thurman to fight Spence again for a rematch. He should understand that the man is not trying make his name anymore, he is now chasing the belts because he doesn't have that much time anymore. And at least 50/50 if in case Thurman upsets Spence? Surely, that's something that Thurman would not agree, he knows his worth.

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2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch

Hopefully if this scenario happens, Spence will be forced to risk his belt(s)

Do you mean Spence will stake his belts for the rematch with Thurman if he loses here? What will be forced is, Spence will risks his belt at 147 and might possibly face Crawford although as I said previously, there might not a chance now to see Spence fighting at 147 due to some problems.

I mean that's not possible since if the rematch will happened with Thurman, it will still be in 154 and his titles are all in 147.

I don't know though the rules of what will happen if let's say, Spence will ask for a rematch with Thurman and if he's still eligible to do that without vacating all his titles at 147. I think that's a rare case to happen or I just missed some same scenario in boxing history.

What I think is that we might see a different scenario once Thurman is able to defeat Spence at 154, there's a strong chance that the latter will ask for a rematch but since a rematch clause wasn't written on their contract (I suppose), Thurman has the choice to decline the offer if there's no belts at risks. And if a rematch won't materialize, Spence has two choices, first is he will vacate his belts at 147 and second is that he will defend his belt at 147 with a risk of facing the boxers he ducked. And this time, I think that their influence won't be used even if they wanted to because the WBC is already under criticism because of this fight.

If I will be on the shoes of Keith Thurman, I certainly wouldn't give Errol Spence a chance of a rematch in-case if I win especially if there are no belts on the line as it will be a total waste of time and preparations will be redundant. Thurman knew that he has to chase the right people in-order to grab the belts but considering Spence's behavior after he got the 3-belts, it's somehow convincing enough that he won't be giving the belts easily.

Might be, but they are under the same promotional company in PBC, so there is a good chance that they are going to be a rematch if Spence losses to Thurman. Of course, Thurman might get the bigger share or at least 50/50 split in the rematch.

However, not sure if Thurman will allow this happen, maybe if he was caught by a lucky punch and then go down and knockout. But if the score went to judges scorecard, maybe they will give Spence the benefit as he is one of the cash cow right now.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 18, 2023, 05:40:49 AM

Thurman might have really lose his hunger specially on how he lost to Manny. He was humbled by Pacquiao and then doesn't want to fight anymore until he comes back for Barrios but doesn't look good anymore. He is not known to have a good stamina or at least very vulnerable to body shots and for sure Spence are going to test that early. And then maybe faded rounds 8 and up and then really ripe to be taken out by him in 10 to 12 and maybe it's first time that he will lose by knockout.

I don't think so. He probably has his personal reasons for not coming back right away after his defeat against Pacquiao. The one who defeated him is a legend, so that should not make him look bad. What's important is that he came back and won a fight. Now, he has an opportunity to beat Spence in a match, and although he is the underdog, it should not make people think that he has no chance of winning.

It look bad on him because he was trash talking Manny Pacquiao in public to the point that he is humiliating the legend. And then he lost the fight and he was ridiculed by anyone in the boxing community for losing to a old 40 year old boxer. And just like Hatton in the past, after that humiliating lost as well, he went into depression and wasn't able to box. So it took him time to fight again versus Barrios but it was not the same Thurman. So if we are going to base on his last performance, it will be hard pressed for us to believed that he has a chance against a version of this Spence.

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2. By chance Spence lost this fight and maybe go for a rematch

Hopefully if this scenario happens, Spence will be forced to risk his belt(s)

Do you mean Spence will stake his belts for the rematch with Thurman if he loses here? What will be forced is, Spence will risks his belt at 147 and might possibly face Crawford although as I said previously, there might not a chance now to see Spence fighting at 147 due to some problems.

I mean that's not possible since if the rematch will happened with Thurman, it will still be in 154 and his titles are all in 147.

I don't know though the rules of what will happen if let's say, Spence will ask for a rematch with Thurman and if he's still eligible to do that without vacating all his titles at 147. I think that's a rare case to happen or I just missed some same scenario in boxing history.

What I think is that we might see a different scenario once Thurman is able to defeat Spence at 154, there's a strong chance that the latter will ask for a rematch but since a rematch clause wasn't written on their contract (I suppose), Thurman has the choice to decline the offer if there's no belts at risks. And if a rematch won't materialize, Spence has two choices, first is he will vacate his belts at 147 and second is that he will defend his belt at 147 with a risk of facing the boxers he ducked. And this time, I think that their influence won't be used even if they wanted to because the WBC is already under criticism because of this fight.

If I will be on the shoes of Keith Thurman, I certainly wouldn't give Errol Spence a chance of a rematch in-case if I win especially if there are no belts on the line as it will be a total waste of time and preparations will be redundant. Thurman knew that he has to chase the right people in-order to grab the belts but considering Spence's behavior after he got the 3-belts, it's somehow convincing enough that he won't be giving the belts easily.

Yeah right! It's much better to chase a title fight considering that if he win the fight against Spence his camp might activate
a negotiation against Crawford who are always there willing to show up and defend his belt.

Unlike with Spence who always wants everything is in his favor, Crawford would love to take Thurman in case that he upset Spence,

a good hype for their both careers and surely a big event that can bring huge chunks of money on their both pockets.

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