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December 23, 2022, 12:22:10 PM
I don't know whether this fight will happen or not. Recently there was a spat between Terence Crawford and Keith Thurman, in which the former accused the latter of running away from the fights. Anyway, before this, Thurman had announced that his opponent would be either Spence or Crawford. Since the Thurman vs Crawford fight can be ruled out for now, the only possibility is for a Spence vs Thurman fight. Also, Crawford scored a victory over David Avanesyan a few days back and is even more confident. So Thurman has reasons to avoid Crawford. 

Yes, I also think that this fight may not happen. I do not know if Crawford still has trust left in PBC after he wasted nearly a year just to make a unification fight with Spence. Making another deal might be difficult since Thurman is with PBC and Showtime too.

I saw a lot of social media posts showing pictures of both Crawford and Ennis. It seems like they were backed by PBC in order to mislead the public that Crawford vs Ennis is the fight that needs to happen. But in reality, Ennis should be the IBF mandatory of Spence. Hence, it should be Spence and not Crawford. And besides, Ennis is also with PBC which makes sense for Spence.
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December 23, 2022, 12:02:08 PM
The rules is rules but I think spence will do anything for the belt cause we all know that every boxer has an ego and spence is a champion not an ordinary because he is undefeated then for sure he won't let thurman get that WBC belt in easy way. and if I will in spence position then why not I will fight for that belt. But all the decision is in his team if they gonna fight thurman or not.

If Spence will decide to move up weight at 154, there's no choice but to give up those belts and titles he currently holds.

Those vacant and available titles will now try to be achieved by those eligible top ranks boxers that will be approved by boxing councils.

But as far as Spence's recent comment is concerned, he might return to the ring in an actual fight in April or May but nothing was mentioned about moving u weight. Therefore, boxers like Thurman will really need to face Spece if they want to get a piece of his titles.
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December 23, 2022, 09:45:38 AM
Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.
Hard to see who is going to face Spence not name Thurman at this point. That is the only fight that make sense for Spence, unless he wants Ennis or Ortiz Jr. But it seems that he is avoiding this two for now. And if there are other name fighters that he will face, for sure he will be criticized not just because of them not wanting a Crawford fight, but instead fighting lesser opponent than what we expect of. So it should be Keith otherwise, it might not sell to the fans.

The case here is Thurman got his chance to face Spence because of the mandatory rule from the organization if Spence will not take the fight then WBC will give the belt to Thurman, not sure if Spence will allow it to happen and let the belt goes to Thurman without any attempt of defending the belt.

Whoever fighter he is planning to fight it will be announced in the coming days or months, let see what will be the turn off events next year.
The rules is rules but I think spence will do anything for the belt cause we all know that every boxer has an ego and spence is a champion not an ordinary because he is undefeated then for sure he won't let thurman get that WBC belt in easy way. and if I will in spence position then why not I will fight for that belt. But all the decision is in his team if they gonna fight thurman or not.
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December 23, 2022, 02:15:58 AM
Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.
Hard to see who is going to face Spence not name Thurman at this point. That is the only fight that make sense for Spence, unless he wants Ennis or Ortiz Jr. But it seems that he is avoiding this two for now. And if there are other name fighters that he will face, for sure he will be criticized not just because of them not wanting a Crawford fight, but instead fighting lesser opponent than what we expect of. So it should be Keith otherwise, it might not sell to the fans.

The case here is Thurman got his chance to face Spence because of the mandatory rule from the organization if Spence will not take the fight then WBC will give the belt to Thurman, not sure if Spence will allow it to happen and let the belt goes to Thurman without any attempt of defending the belt.

Whoever fighter he is planning to fight it will be announced in the coming days or months, let see what will be the turn off events next year.
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December 23, 2022, 01:01:19 AM
I don't know whether this fight will happen or not. Recently there was a spat between Terence Crawford and Keith Thurman, in which the former accused the latter of running away from the fights. Anyway, before this, Thurman had announced that his opponent would be either Spence or Crawford. Since the Thurman vs Crawford fight can be ruled out for now, the only possibility is for a Spence vs Thurman fight. Also, Crawford scored a victory over David Avanesyan a few days back and is even more confident. So Thurman has reasons to avoid Crawford. 
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December 22, 2022, 11:22:12 PM
Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.
Hard to see who is going to face Spence not name Thurman at this point. That is the only fight that make sense for Spence, unless he wants Ennis or Ortiz Jr. But it seems that he is avoiding this two for now. And if there are other name fighters that he will face, for sure he will be criticized not just because of them not wanting a Crawford fight, but instead fighting lesser opponent than what we expect of. So it should be Keith otherwise, it might not sell to the fans.
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December 22, 2022, 10:53:19 PM
^^ Yes, even in the Pacquiao fight, his training or at least when he do the his drills, he is somewhat very slow and not that agile. Maybe that's how Thurman's training is, not focusing on the speed but power because he want's to try to knockout his opponent, and even before he was knock down or lost the fight to Manny, he is known to have that punching power.

So there's no difference it training at all for him, but I think he is more faster that Ugas that Spence recently beat. But has more power behind it. He had Manny in trouble in the later rounds, it's that his weakness was a body punch and when Manny hit him in the stomach, he somewhat wince, meaning he is affected.

I understand what you are saying, I know that some boxers focus on training to their highest potential, in this case it is as you say they want to focus on having more power from the punches, but there are many vulnerabilities when a boxer focuses only on one strategy, if he does not achieve to make a knockout you have to appeal to another plan, but what really fails here is that if you prepare only to knock out you have to get rid of the resistance and from the way you say it, I think neither the time nor the body will reach you You will be able to resist a training so focused on two things, you also have to do things with your diet, it is very different to train for both things, and come out well.

Of course that's what boxing is, to knock out someone or you yourself gets knock out. For me power is God given, you can just improved it, the way you throw, and other techniques that your trainers will teach you, but the power is always be there.

We haven't seen Thurman having weight problems making the 147 lbs limit so yeah, he is good at his diet or maybe someone is monitoring it for him, just like Spence. They know that this is important to they hire someone to help them maintain their weight within the limit and maybe diet a bit so that they will get everything in a balance.


Well, there is no doubt about that, you should have a doctor who is checking your weight every day, your muscle mass, everything that you do your exercises, especially your diet, which is something so important, there are many times that the meals do not give the same strength and they cannot eat more than that because that implies a possible lack of control and that is what should be avoided, for me that is something that has a lot to do with the way boxers take care of themselves, when a boxer He knows and knows his body very well. I think he can eat what he likes the most and not gain weight because he knows that what he has eaten must be burned so that it does not distort his diet and he does not put more work on the doctors.



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Spence: ‘I Got Helluh Options, I’ll Fight Whoever; Crawford Looked Good vs. Avanesyan, KO Was Nasty’



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Fast forward to Dec. 16, when Spence was in Las Vegas to promote understudy Frank Martin’s bout against Michel Rivera, the WBC, WBA, and IBF welterweight champion Spence did a walk-and-talk interview with a group of media members. 

“I didn't get to see [the Crawford-Avanesyan fight] but I seen the highlights. He looked. Terence always looked good. [The knockout] was nasty,” said Spence. 

When Spence (28-0, 22 KOs) was further pressed around the subject of a Crawford fight finally happening in 2023, Spence was less definitive than he has been throughout the year to finally fight the Nebraskan native. 

“Next year, anything can happen. I don't know man, I'm not going to worry about it too much. If it happens, it happens. If it don't, it don't,” said Spence. 

“We'll see man, we'll see. The great thing is that I got helluh options. I never say I aint fight nobody. Sh!t -- I'll fight whoever.”

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/spence-i-got-helluh-options-ill-fight-whoever-crawford-looked-good-vs-avanesyan-ko-nasty--171302
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December 22, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
Alright, anyone with a wild guess?

Who's the other fighter that has a chance to face Errol Spence next if Thurman won't be his next opponent?

I'm not talking about boxers that you preferred but those boxers who are already on Spence's list, if there are any, or currently in the rumor.

Not sure if only Thurman was being considered.
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December 22, 2022, 05:11:06 PM
Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

Yeah, and not to make it worst on our part, so we should better not to expect something between the two in the future.

They seems to be just hard on their decision specially Spence that he don't know Crawford to cement his legacy. But as for fans, it's not how it works, the best of the best should fight and see who will be on the top.

For now, let's put it behind us, and hopefully the Spence vs Thurman will be on the table next quarter of the year.
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December 22, 2022, 04:56:05 PM
The fight between Crawford and Spence Jr is the much request of most boxing fans and yet, it will not happen so far.
We don't know their true reasons, but if they will see a ton of money as their purse, they may think about it.

That expected mega clash between Errol Spence and Terence Crawford is really far from happening. But the chances of Spence facing Thurman do have a chance to happen but things will be delayed because as I previously posted here, Spence got involved again in a car accident.

Spence mentioned that he might come back to ring between April and May but for who's the opponent, nothing is disclosed.

Maybe OP can consider locking this thread for now until a sign of agreement between Spence and Thurman will now starts cooking.
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December 22, 2022, 04:42:27 PM
Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

I don't think so if this fight will exactly will happen next year maybe spence have another excuses like what he did to Crawford. But if this fight happen then this is one of the big fight cause this two fighter has a good record Spence is undefeated with 28 win I losses and 22 via knockout while thurman 30 win 1 losses and 1 non contest .
So where expecting a very good and very interesting fight next year .

Seems that this match is far from happening at the moment.
The fight between Crawford and Spence Jr is the much requested of most boxing fans and yet, it will not happen so far.
We don't know their true reasons, but if they will see a ton of money as their purse, they may think about it.
Sometimes it depends on their respective handlers, not the boxer himself. The boxer wants to fight the big one, but his promoter has still some reservations.
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December 22, 2022, 04:36:21 PM
Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

I don't think so if this fight will exactly will happen next year maybe spence have another excuses like what he did to Crawford. But if this fight happen then this is one of the big fight cause this two fighter has a good record Spence is undefeated with 28 win I losses and 22 via knockout while thurman 30 win 1 losses and 1 non contest .
So where expecting a very good and very interesting fight next year .
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December 22, 2022, 03:49:50 PM

Sadly, there's still no news regarding their fight next year and seriously, I don't even know if it's already inked or what because Spence's camp as well as Al Haymon are so silent about it and seems not interested to disclose some information. If we look some updates on the internet, the same articles will show up and if there is something new, it's also not relevant. Up to this date, there's no news and even the severity of Spence's legs aren't disclosed.

Nothing indeed, there's no information if the fight will be push or when it will be scheduled, the accident of Spence is not that serious compared to the last one but it affects the possible schedule of this mandatory fight, Thurman needs to wait with how Spence camps will bring any information about the possibilities of negotiating on this matter.

Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.

What we can do now is just to wait, since it was a mandatory fight then the organization can bring this one into reality, else, the belt will be available for Thurman, it's the schedule that fans and readers will be waiting after that said accident of Spence, but the fight might be push as the organization got the final say for this and not the camps that involves.
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December 22, 2022, 02:20:46 PM
Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.

In my perspective, I think it's much better not to expect from this fight either because Errol Spence Jr. might use his situation as an excuse to get a free pass and we shouldn't also forget as well that Spence do still have some grudge against Keith Thurman because the current champion wasn't given a chance to have his shot at a title fight in the past years when Thurman was still a champion. I surely don't hope for that situation, but I don't see any reasons also to oppose it because their camp is so silent ever since the Crawford-Spence issue. All that talk that he is going after Crawford next now turns to dust. Just saying.
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December 22, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

Right now, Manny Pacquiao is diverting his focus once again in boxing because he doesn't have any position anymore in the government. Maybe soon he will run again but in a much lower office because if he will run again at the presidential race, I reckon that his chances might increase compared to what happened in the recent race but the outcome would be the same.
Anyway, back to Spence-Thurman fight. Is there some updates regarding this topic? I hope it will still materialize after what happened to Spence recently.

Sadly, there's still no news regarding their fight next year and seriously, I don't even know if it's already inked or what because Spence's camp as well as Al Haymon are so silent about it and seems not interested to disclose some information. If we look some updates on the internet, the same articles will show up and if there is something new, it's also not relevant. Up to this date, there's no news and even the severity of Spence's legs aren't disclosed.
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December 22, 2022, 09:33:07 AM
Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

Right now, Manny Pacquiao is diverting his focus once again in boxing because he doesn't have any position anymore in the government. Maybe soon he will run again but in a much lower office because if he will run again at the presidential race, I reckon that his chances might increase compared to what happened in the recent race but the outcome would be the same.
Anyway, back to Spence-Thurman fight. Is there some updates regarding this topic? I hope it will still materialize after what happened to Spence recently.
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December 22, 2022, 05:38:24 AM
It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him.

If you make any reasons such as not being 100% healthy after lossing a fight, that will automatically considered as an excuse. That's one of the things I don't like hearing from any athlete. But don't get me wrong, I love watching Pacman fight.
That fight he had with Ugas, he wasn't really prepared for that, simply because he does not have enough time to study how Ugas fights. While on the other end, Ugas knew Pacman even before he was scheduled to replace Spence.
That's one of the main reasons why Pacquiao lost.

That's right, maybe that's the strategy of Spence so he could easily get the belt.

Because after Ugas won the fight, he then challenges Ugas and beat him easily. I don't really consider Spence as one of the greatest boxers in his era because he is not so willing to challenge and accept challenges from the champions, because if he would like to be the best, he should have fought Crawford a long time ago.
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December 22, 2022, 05:15:59 AM
It is something that catches my attention, Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me, for me a true legend, it is a pity that he does not continue boxing professionally.

He did the right thing by retiring from the ring. He has achieved whatever he wanted. He wanted to defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he couldn't achieve that in 2015. Even in 2019 he was able to defeat Keith Thurman. But his last fight against Yordenis Ugás ended in defeat and he decided to hang up his boots after that. The fight against DK Yoo this month was not a professional fight, but rather an exhibition match. It was a completely one-sided match, with predictable outcome. But I was surprised with the fact that Yoo lasted for full 6 rounds.

Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him.

If you make any reasons such as not being 100% healthy after lossing a fight, that will automatically considered as an excuse. That's one of the things I don't like hearing from any athlete. But don't get me wrong, I love watching Pacman fight.
That fight he had with Ugas, he wasn't really prepared for that, simply because he does not have enough time to study how Ugas fights. While on the other end, Ugas knew Pacman even before he was scheduled to replace Spence.
That's one of the main reasons why Pacquiao lost.
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December 22, 2022, 03:55:47 AM
Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.

I hope so as that's the only way we will see a big fight next year involving Spence. The Spence vs Crawford is probably off already, so this is the only big fight that could bring excitement to us, and I'm pretty sure that Thurman will try to take the belt and be a champion again.
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December 21, 2022, 10:15:53 PM
Manny does not feel 100% in that fight against Ugas because he can't move his foot, but of course, that's an excuse for those who does not believe in him. I believe Pacman's decision to retire is just right, though he still can fight but he is already old to fight against the young champions, he had already proven with Thurman but he wasn't dominating the fight unlike before.

He is not focusing on boxing nowadays. He is more in to politics and activism. At this point, we should respect his decision. He might have felt that it is not possible for him to do two things at once (boxing and politics). Manny Pacquiao for the presidential a few months back, but he was not very successful (election was eventually won by Bongbong Marcos with Sara Duterte as the VP candidate, while Pacquiao managed to get less than 7% of the vote). The next elections are scheduled for 2028, and I have a feeling that Pacquiao's chances maybe higher then.

Probably it had affected Manny that time of the scheduled fight as it was very close to the Presidential election if I'm not mistaken. Also the change of the fighters that he might face is also a big factor, from Spence to Ugas as he hasn't prepared for Yordenis style of fights.

Nevertheless, it's over now, he lost his Presidential bid but probably will go for another try next election but it might be another difficult task for him as he might face the daughter of Rodrigo Duterte in Sarah which has a strong backing as well.


Anyhow this is about Spence vs Thurman, and hopefully Spence will not hide on the excuse of his accident and will fight Thurman as his mandatory next year.
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