Topic: Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman - page 27. (Read 7339 times)

I strongly agree marketing is the best strategy now to gain more support and hype the fight. I would say that trash-talking tactics with each are becoming the trend and I think that people kinda like this since it talks about the stats and compares it to others. xD

But, if I would choose i'll choose and bet for thurman this time, the last time I didn't bet for since his last fight with Pacquiao.

Crawford will not anymore fight Crawford if Thurman would win in this fight, he will directly go to the champion and would try to take the belt. What's the purpose of fighting Spence? That's too risky for him and he won't be getting a good reward as the attention of the fans will surely be transferred to Thurman.

To be honest, I would like Thurman to win, he is a complete boxer, I also think he needs him much more than Spence himself, and I would also like him to win so that Spence can give a rematch to a CRAWFROD that he has fought a lot so that he can have a better life and open the doors to him, of course when someone like Crawford can beat a Spence who does not want anything with him, the fans automatically make Spence himself feel forced to accept Any challenge, this is one of the advantages that Thurman can cause, although it is not something that is very safe, he has everything to be able to win.

And Bob Arum and Al Haymon has been going it out for years,


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2511923-al-haymon-sued-by-top-rank-promotions-latest-details-and-reaction

So it's no secret in the boxing industry how PBC run's it's business model from the very beginning that even Bob Arum and Oscar Dela Hoya sued because of this one. Yes, there are a lot of mega fights that was derailed because Al Haymon doesn't want it to happen unless they have the upper hand in the negotiations.

PBC is indeed one of the biggest in boxing. PBC has the biggest talents in welterweight and light-middleweight, the same reason Crawford (formerly from Top Rank) is stacked after successfully winning belts from lightweight to light-welterweight. I am curious to know the exact numbers but it should be PBC, Matchroom, and Top Rank having the most world champions at the moment. When it comes to talent and skills, I think Top Rank continues to dominate it having Fury, Inoue, Haney, Shakur, Josh Taylor, etc. But in terms of budget, I believe PBC is the 2nd having partnered with Showtime and Fox. Matchroom partnered with DAZN has the biggest budget with many cash cows like Canelo, Joshua, and Usyk. Top Rank partnering with ESPN is coming 3rd but it is pretty impressive that it has the deepest talents in boxing right now. Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions remained alive and should be 4th with its partnership with DAZN. GBP was beating Top Rank before and became the biggest promotion before being tricked which gave birth to PBC which then took nearly all of its big names and champions. After that, GBP lost Canelo to Matchroom as well.

In the past, there was only HBO and Showtime competing and there were no exclusive deals with the promoters. A promoter can sell a fight to either of the networks. Nowadays there are 3 giant networks DAZN, Showtime, and ESPN and they have exclusive deals with their promoters. So aside from the Mayweather Jr. effects which focus mostly on money, it is more difficult for fighters from different sides to reach a deal since the networks will have their say too and there are also promotional rivalries. 

That how business runs, boxing is a business, so as with other sports. If you have no influence in this market, you'll never be popular even how good you are. I think there are plenty of boxers who had wasted their talent in boxing because they don't have the opportunity to had a big fight, or their journey is very long which they already out of their prime.

They have no choice because, without their network and promoters, they will not be popular and won't be able to make a good amount of money. We know that promoters are into making money, if they can maximize their profit they will do that but hopefully, they will not sacrifice the quality of boxing sports.

These days, it's more about hype and advertisement, while the champs are trying to keep their status as long as possible in order to retain their value, and if their value will drop, promoters will also not make money, besides, they are the ones who invested big for these boxers.

As you mentioned, primarily focused on the business side instead of anything related to legacy. Agree with you.

However, who's the one/s that needs to be blamed strongly for big fights unable to materialize?

It's a sad reality but the boxer themselves is just cooperating with these networks and promoters, because for the obvious reason that they receive benefits and advantages that aren't present if they decided not to be under by any firms.

I think PBC's Al Haymon managed to be one of the biggest promoter in the boxing industry because of his connections and intent to bring the boxer to the top as long as they have skills required. Aside from that, PBC offers good guaranteed money per fight that's why lots of boxers preferred to be in his stable. Spence and Charlo won't be staying with Al Haymon if they don't have any benefits from it.

It is not just Al Haymon that ruined many potential fights since boxing became a big sport. But I agree with you. In the first place, Al Haymon created PBC to become a separate organization like the UFC. Its intent was to create its own championship belts too. Many of its fighters are influenced by Floyd Mayweather Jr. which means focusing only on the business aspect rather than building a legacy.

PBC is just new to boxing and is less than 10 years of operations but it already destroyed and prevented a lot of big fights. PBC prevented us from seeing the huge AJ vs Wilder clash when they were both undefeated and the winner could've been the first-ever undisputed heavyweight in this 4-belt era. PBC also didn't respond nor sent counter-offers to Bob Arum of Top Rank in order to stage Crawford vs Spence for the welterweight undisputed belts. There are too many potential fights I can mention but these 2 are the biggest and could've been historic fights if PBC is cooperative and not scared and selfish. 

Thurman is very good boxer he can dominate his opponents by his strategy and about this game Spence vs thurman is like they are both champion cause we all know that thurman can beat manny pacman if he did not knockdown maybe thurman can fight until the 12 rounds but pacman have his speed and Thats the reason why thurman loss. But interms of Spence they are the same in their careers undefeated and 1 loss is very good matchup.

The only thing that change Thurman is his undefeated record to none, so I think he is still the same Thurman because despite his loss to Pacman, but it was a close fight, he could have won that fight too if the refs gave him more points or if he was not knocked down by Pacman in one round.

This fight is going to be exciting, Thurman vs Spence is like both fighters are champion.

Yeah, it might be better for Spence to fight Thurman next, and I don't believed that he doesn't want to fight him or afraid of Keith. I was highlights of Spence rising up in ranks, when he beat Kell Brook, post interview saw him calling Spence this was 2017 though. Maybe a lot has change since then, Thurman was beaten by Pacquiao and no longer the same Thurman. But still though, this is the best fight for him right now as welterweight, he needs to add Thurman in his resume to clean up this division, Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, and Ugas in his last 3, great champions.

Well, I don't know if you already knew this but there's a saying that goes, there's a first time for everything.

Surely, Errol Spence didn't wake up as a champion already, right? Before he became what he is now, he also started from the very bottom and just the very same position where Boots Ennis is positioned right now, so records are not that really a big deal because as I said, there's a first time for everything and not all undefeated boxers are that strong and skillful because there are some boxers who already had some defeats on their rapsheet that are much powerful.

Also, I don't think that Thurman was ducking Spence years ago. It's just Thurman wasn't interested to give Spence a chance because the latter was not that famous and unique that time. As at that time, he was just a nobody, just like how you refer Boots Ennis that haven't beaten any good boxers yet.

He will be fighting in the undercard this weekend so we will see how good Ennis is. And looking at the odds, the over and under is pegged 3 rounds, and the ML odds for him 1.02. Enough to say that sports bookies are not giving Chukhadzhyan a chance to win. And if Ennis wins here, for sure he will call out Spence again as he will be the mandatory fight. Nevertheless, the money fight for his is Keith Thurman, they can sell it as if Thurman as a former champion will have his chance to get back the belt against a prime Spence. And I do believed that Thurman too can hype this fight as he is also a big talker.

Jaron Ennis is, without a doubt, good. We cannot, however, assert that he can defeat Errol Spence. Ennis is good, but his opponents are not even close to the names Spence fought. Anyhow, Ennis ought to compete with Errol Spence, who is the IBF champion. While he waits for Spence to accept his challenge, I believe the subsequent opponent of Ennis, is more like an easy match up to keep him active.

I have the same choice. Spence will select Keith Thurman because, aside from Terrence Crawford, he has the most money under his name.

There' a huge money involve in every fight they can get so not surprising at all if both fighters are for the rewards they can get but we can't also erase there  want to win on every game since if they could win and defeat their opponent it can bring good exposure to their name plus it could add their fame. But in case on this both fighters they are known already so maybe we can see a fight with pride especially on Thurman he want to regain he's past status so he need to win every match he could take.

For them? it was just pure business, the business of making money for them, the promoters and the networks. Yeah, you can say that they want to satisfy their fans, but I don't think that is their main goal right now as boxers have evolved as well. In the 80's-90's it was purely for the pride that's why we see a lot of great fights and upsets. But time has change, Floyd becoming "Money Mayweather", started to do his own business makes ton of money. So now boxers specially top tier, wanted millions and if they can't give them that money, then we won't see the mega fight that we wanted, like Spence vs Crawford. And I don't think the system will change, IMHO.

Exactly, but is there a chance that they will change that system to fully satisfy the fans? I think why boxing is here because it's not only for entertainment but also for us to see and to know who the real warriors are, and the only way we can see who is the best among the best is the unification and undisputed fight.

Each system has its own advantages and demerits. The boxing administration is fractured at this point, and we have 4 different world championship groups as a result - World Boxing Organization (WBO), International Boxing Federation (IBF), World Boxing Association (WBA) and World Boxing Council (WBC). The dream of every boxer is to unify the belts, but in some cases (example is that of Josh Taylor that you have mentioned) it becomes impossible to do so. But still, the current system is better than media tycoons such as Al Haymon or Bob Arum dictating who should fight whom.