[Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8

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Like I said in my previous post, Martinez has Ancajas' numbers and the former was just too good for him and that only shows that the first win was not a fluke at all. This is boxing, styles make a fight and it's just that Martinez is the kryptonite of Ancajas, even if they meet 10 times, 10 times also that Ancajas could lose to Martinez.

Congrats to all the bettors who bet for Martinez (if there were any

), the odds for a decision win for Martinez were not too attractive but if you are a fan of him that 1,8x was good enough.

Going to lock the thread in a few hours from now and as usual. thanks for all of your comments here that make this thread lively with your thoughts on this fight as usual.

It was very obvious in their first fight but we think it's because of the weight issue of Ancajas, we believe his excuse but when we saw it on this rematch, it was proven that Martinez was really the better fighter, in fact, he dominated Ancajas twice in a row, so he deserved to be a champion.

Excuses in boxing are nothing but excuses. They're alibis. You don't usually give them any weight.

Ancajas has always been Ancajas. He's fighting that way. That has been his fighting style. And as bisdak40 said that style of fighting is the losing style when confronted with Martinez's style.

It's just weird that Ancajas and his team immediately asked for a rematch when they seem to have learned no lesson at all and changed nothing at all. They were up for a replay.

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Quote from: Jating on October 09, 2022, 02:59:40 PM

Ancajas has still a bright future though, he has to take a rest first for the rest of the year and talk and sit down with his camp and manager, yes bantamweight should be his next target, Inoue after Butler is moving up in weight so he should try bantamweight and see how it goes.

With that performance against Martinez and you guys talking about he should move up? Cheesy

There's no weight problem with him why he loses but Fernando Martinez is just strong for him.

And others want him to move up because he can't defeat Martinez? He will just eat dust on the bantamweight.

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I always have doubts about a rematch when the first match is dominated by one fighter rematch should be when the decision could go either way, the first match Martinez totally dominated Ancajas the margin on the scorecard is too big, this second match is just a continuation of he first match, Ancajas is good on the first three rounds but after that Martinez takes over and still the same scenario, Ancajas show nothing knew and he comes out with the same alibi that has a hard time in his weight.

The rematch only happened because Ancajas got a rematch clause on their first fight contract. Team Ancajas supposedly planned to move up in weight after the first defeat but they changed their decision and went on to activate their rematch clause. They thought they can win and then move up in weight as a champion for better rankings.

Ancajas was a changed fighter. He's not supposed to fight like that. Or perhaps Martinez's style is just bad for him. Nevertheless, Ancajas didn't let his hands go and was always reluctant.

Well-deserved win by Martinez. Now that the IBF strap is outside of PBC, perhaps Estrada, Martinez, Bam, and Chocolatito can mix it up to finally unify the belts thru DAZN.

Well, we cannot really blame them for that action because they believed that Ancajas can get his belt and glory back to his possession as he is just having a hard time in keeping up with the weight needed last time that is why they feel that Ancajas can do the job done this time, but it unfortunately, it wasn't the case this time.

Even us believed the same but we haven't expected that Martinez came prepared and decided not to give him a chance to bounce back. So now, Ancajas and his camp have all the reasons in the world to climb the next division as the weight is also not comfortable to him anymore.

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Quote from: Russlenat on October 09, 2022, 08:44:27 AM

Jerwin has to move up, he has no power in this fight, he adjusted well, but unfortunately, he wasn't fast and he does not have volume punches. The same result in their first meeting, it was very clear that once again he was still dominated by Martinez.

Congratulations to Martinez, and to the bettors who took Martinez to win via decision.

We have seen that Martinez deserved the belt after this second match.
Some were thinking because of Ancajas' weight issues, why the first match was won by Martinez.
But here, Ancajas already seemed to be prepared and yet, he failed to get back his belt.
Let us see what the next plans of Ancajas' camp now that he didn't get the belt this time around.
Seems that he should move to the bantamweight division and maybe he will excel again in this sports.

Such a disappointment lost for Jerwin, and unfortunately we are all wrong. He was one of the best champion of his division but this fact is being shattered by Martinez and he truly is now the champion. Congrats to him.

Ancajas has still a bright future though, he has to take a rest first for the rest of the year and talk and sit down with his camp and manager, yes bantamweight should be his next target, Inoue after Butler is moving up in weight so he should try bantamweight and see how it goes.

Indeed! We didn't saw that coming because all we know is that Ancajas is still comfortable to fight Martinez as he did manage to withstand the latter's punches in their first encounter given Ancajas's situation that time, but Martinez has improved as well and gave Ancajas some struggles. I definitely agree that he should rest and take his time to reflect whether it's time to move up or should he start from the beginning in the same division, either way, he's still young and probably can face other champions in both said divisions above.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 10, 2022, 07:52:14 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 09, 2022, 08:06:57 PM

A great win for Fernando Martinez. Congratulations to him and to all those who placed their bets on him. He's the man. He dominated the fight. He was able to dictate the pace and was the aggressor. Ancajas was there to just follow the drums of Martinez. Ancajas didn't improve. He lacked aggressiveness. There were even rounds when Ancajas was like a tree standing in the middle of the ring while Martinez attacked him from all angles, maximizing the space around him.

Like I said in my previous post, Martinez has Ancajas' numbers and the former was just too good for him and that only shows that the first win was not a fluke at all. This is boxing, styles make a fight and it's just that Martinez is the kryptonite of Ancajas, even if they meet 10 times, 10 times also that Ancajas could lose to Martinez.

Congrats to all the bettors who bet for Martinez (if there were any

), the odds for a decision win for Martinez were not too attractive but if you are a fan of him that 1,8x was good enough.

Going to lock the thread in a few hours from now and as usual. thanks for all of your comments here that make this thread lively with your thoughts on this fight as usual.

It was very obvious in their first fight but we think it's because of the weight issue of Ancajas, we believe his excuse but when we saw it on this rematch, it was proven that Martinez was really the better fighter, in fact, he dominated Ancajas twice in a row, so he deserved to be a champion.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 09, 2022, 08:06:57 PM

A great win for Fernando Martinez. Congratulations to him and to all those who placed their bets on him. He's the man. He dominated the fight. He was able to dictate the pace and was the aggressor. Ancajas was there to just follow the drums of Martinez. Ancajas didn't improve. He lacked aggressiveness. There were even rounds when Ancajas was like a tree standing in the middle of the ring while Martinez attacked him from all angles, maximizing the space around him.

Like I said in my previous post, Martinez has Ancajas' numbers and the former was just too good for him and that only shows that the first win was not a fluke at all. This is boxing, styles make a fight and it's just that Martinez is the kryptonite of Ancajas, even if they meet 10 times, 10 times also that Ancajas could lose to Martinez.

Congrats to all the bettors who bet for Martinez (if there were any

), the odds for a decision win for Martinez were not too attractive but if you are a fan of him that 1,8x was good enough.

Going to lock the thread in a few hours from now and as usual. thanks for all of your comments here that make this thread lively with your thoughts on this fight as usual.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 10, 2022, 02:41:45 AM

I always have doubts about a rematch when the first match is dominated by one fighter rematch should be when the decision could go either way, the first match Martinez totally dominated Ancajas the margin on the scorecard is too big, this second match is just a continuation of he first match, Ancajas is good on the first three rounds but after that Martinez takes over and still the same scenario, Ancajas show nothing knew and he comes out with the same alibi that has a hard time in his weight.

There is a rematch clause that their team activated, maybe because they think that they can win in the second part. However, as you have said, Ancajas doesn't have a gameplan, they said that they have weight issues and or overtrain. But they have enough time to developed a good plan for Ancajas. All the blame should be in his team and trainer in my opinion. So there should be no alibi and they have to accept that he got defeated by Martinez the second time with a complete shut out.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 10, 2022, 02:41:45 AM

I always have doubts about a rematch when the first match is dominated by one fighter rematch should be when the decision could go either way, the first match Martinez totally dominated Ancajas the margin on the scorecard is too big, this second match is just a continuation of he first match, Ancajas is good on the first three rounds but after that Martinez takes over and still the same scenario, Ancajas show nothing knew and he comes out with the same alibi that has a hard time in his weight.

The rematch only happened because Ancajas got a rematch clause on their first fight contract. Team Ancajas supposedly planned to move up in weight after the first defeat but they changed their decision and went on to activate their rematch clause. They thought they can win and then move up in weight as a champion for better rankings.

Ancajas was a changed fighter. He's not supposed to fight like that. Or perhaps Martinez's style is just bad for him. Nevertheless, Ancajas didn't let his hands go and was always reluctant.

Well-deserved win by Martinez. Now that the IBF strap is outside of PBC, perhaps Estrada, Martinez, Bam, and Chocolatito can mix it up to finally unify the belts thru DAZN.

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I always have doubts about a rematch when the first match is dominated by one fighter rematch should be when the decision could go either way, the first match Martinez totally dominated Ancajas the margin on the scorecard is too big, this second match is just a continuation of he first match, Ancajas is good on the first three rounds but after that Martinez takes over and still the same scenario, Ancajas show nothing knew and he comes out with the same alibi that has a hard time in his weight.

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A great win for Fernando Martinez. Congratulations to him and to all those who placed their bets on him. He's the man. He dominated the fight. He was able to dictate the pace and was the aggressor. Ancajas was there to just follow the drums of Martinez. Ancajas didn't improve. He lacked aggressiveness. There were even rounds when Ancajas was like a tree standing in the middle of the ring while Martinez attacked him from all angles, maximizing the space around him.

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Congratulations to Fernando Martinez, he proved that he is the champion of that division. It is a sad thing for Ancajas that despite all the preparations and changes, he fell short and looks inferior to Martinez. Though Ancajas shows a good one-two combination, it is not enough to stop Martinez from dominating the fight. I think this is it for Ancajas, I also don't think Ancajas will perform well unless he got better trainers.

Quote from: erep on October 09, 2022, 03:31:36 PM

Ancajas looked very confident to regain the belt from his previous fight, his performance was very aggressive until the first few rounds and but the next round Martinez was in action until Martinez dominated the score in each round and won the fight based on the result of the decision. Although many of his supporters have been disappointed but we have to support him because Ancajas did his best even though he didn't succeed but I'm sure he will come back with a new plan.

The boxer Ancajas did his best but I feel his camp is lacking.

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This is not the result that we all wanting to see, but I guess Ancajas reign is over now. He is still young, but the competition is getting tougher in his division and Martinez is just one boxer that has caught up with him.

I do agree that he was unmask, his weaknesses as a boxer and it was exploited by Martinez and his team. And so as we argued, there should be no excuses this fight, Martinez took control of the fight and the judges saw the fight fair and scored it right. Not sure what Ancajas future will look like from here but let's just be supportive still of Filipino boxers.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on October 09, 2022, 02:00:11 PM

We have seen that Martinez deserved the belt after this second match.
Some were thinking because of Ancajas' weight issues, why the first match was won by Martinez.
But here, Ancajas already seemed to be prepared and yet, he failed to get back his belt.
Let us see what the next plans of Ancajas' camp now that he didn't get the belt this time around.
Seems that he should move to the bantamweight division and maybe he will excel again in this sports.

Yeah Martinez deserves the win and has proven that the first match is no fluke.

Quote from: Jating on October 09, 2022, 02:59:40 PM

Such a disappointment lost for Jerwin, and unfortunately we are all wrong. He was one of the best champion of his division but this fact is being shattered by Martinez and he truly is now the champion. Congrats to him.

It really was a disappointment, it looks like Martinez camp did well on this fight. Ancajas stamina is still the issue here, and it seems that Ancajas trainers need to be changed.

Quote from: Jating on October 09, 2022, 02:59:40 PM

Ancajas has still a bright future though, he has to take a rest first for the rest of the year and talk and sit down with his camp and manager, yes bantamweight should be his next target, Inoue after Butler is moving up in weight so he should try bantamweight and see how it goes.

I have a doubt about Ancajas future, if he moves up in weight division he will be facing much talented and harder puncher. I also don't think he will perform well in the upper division thinking that he still has the same set of trainers.

Quote from: btc_angela on October 09, 2022, 03:21:56 PM

And it begs me the question of Jerwin being one of the longest champion in recent years, not just in this division but for the boxing as a whole. This division is though, but I think he is also cherry picking his fight but now it seems that Puma Martinez has exposed him so bad.

I will also say that he needs to change his whole trainer, again, he was good early and taught that they can really with just his boxing and chin, but don't get me wrong, he is a one dimension boxer.

Ancajas is a good fighter it is that Martinez is a different boxer and much better than before. As I see Martinez built, he looks more solid. Aside from that I wonder why the trainer practice Ancajas to clinch more than throwing a lead punch whenever Martinez got close to Ancajas.

Quote from: erep on October 09, 2022, 03:31:36 PM

Ancajas looked very confident to regain the belt from his previous fight, his performance was very aggressive until the first few rounds and but the next round Martinez was in action until Martinez dominated the score in each round and won the fight based on the result of the decision. Although many of his supporters have been disappointed but we have to support him because Ancajas did his best even though he didn't succeed but I'm sure he will come back with a new plan.

I never seen Ancajas being aggressive on this fight, he is more on a counter puncher which prioritized clinch than throwing punches.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on October 09, 2022, 02:00:11 PM

We have seen that Martinez deserved the belt after this second match.
Some were thinking because of Ancajas' weight issues, why the first match was won by Martinez.
But here, Ancajas already seemed to be prepared and yet, he failed to get back his belt.
Let us see what the next plans of Ancajas' camp now that he didn't get the belt this time around.
Seems that he should move to the bantamweight division and maybe he will excel again in this sports.

Ancajas looked very confident to regain the belt from his previous fight, his performance was very aggressive until the first few rounds and but the next round Martinez was in action until Martinez dominated the score in each round and won the fight based on the result of the decision. Although many of his supporters have been disappointed but we have to support him because Ancajas did his best even though he didn't succeed but I'm sure he will come back with a new plan.

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Quote from: Jating on October 09, 2022, 02:59:40 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on October 09, 2022, 02:00:11 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on October 09, 2022, 08:44:27 AM

Jerwin has to move up, he has no power in this fight, he adjusted well, but unfortunately, he wasn't fast and he does not have volume punches. The same result in their first meeting, it was very clear that once again he was still dominated by Martinez.

Congratulations to Martinez, and to the bettors who took Martinez to win via decision.

We have seen that Martinez deserved the belt after this second match.
Some were thinking because of Ancajas' weight issues, why the first match was won by Martinez.
But here, Ancajas already seemed to be prepared and yet, he failed to get back his belt.
Let us see what the next plans of Ancajas' camp now that he didn't get the belt this time around.
Seems that he should move to the bantamweight division and maybe he will excel again in this sports.

Such a disappointment lost for Jerwin, and unfortunately we are all wrong. He was one of the best champion of his division but this fact is being shattered by Martinez and he truly is now the champion. Congrats to him.

Ancajas has still a bright future though, he has to take a rest first for the rest of the year and talk and sit down with his camp and manager, yes bantamweight should be his next target, Inoue after Butler is moving up in weight so he should try bantamweight and see how it goes.

And it begs me the question of Jerwin being one of the longest champion in recent years, not just in this division but for the boxing as a whole. This division is though, but I think he is also cherry picking his fight but now it seems that Puma Martinez has exposed him so bad.

I will also say that he needs to change his whole trainer, again, he was good early and taught that they can really with just his boxing and chin, but don't get me wrong, he is a one dimension boxer.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on October 09, 2022, 02:00:11 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on October 09, 2022, 08:44:27 AM

Jerwin has to move up, he has no power in this fight, he adjusted well, but unfortunately, he wasn't fast and he does not have volume punches. The same result in their first meeting, it was very clear that once again he was still dominated by Martinez.

Congratulations to Martinez, and to the bettors who took Martinez to win via decision.

We have seen that Martinez deserved the belt after this second match.
Some were thinking because of Ancajas' weight issues, why the first match was won by Martinez.
But here, Ancajas already seemed to be prepared and yet, he failed to get back his belt.
Let us see what the next plans of Ancajas' camp now that he didn't get the belt this time around.
Seems that he should move to the bantamweight division and maybe he will excel again in this sports.

Such a disappointment lost for Jerwin, and unfortunately we are all wrong. He was one of the best champion of his division but this fact is being shattered by Martinez and he truly is now the champion. Congrats to him.

Ancajas has still a bright future though, he has to take a rest first for the rest of the year and talk and sit down with his camp and manager, yes bantamweight should be his next target, Inoue after Butler is moving up in weight so he should try bantamweight and see how it goes.

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Quote from: Russlenat on October 09, 2022, 08:44:27 AM

Jerwin has to move up, he has no power in this fight, he adjusted well, but unfortunately, he wasn't fast and he does not have volume punches. The same result in their first meeting, it was very clear that once again he was still dominated by Martinez.

Congratulations to Martinez, and to the bettors who took Martinez to win via decision.

We have seen that Martinez deserved the belt after this second match.
Some were thinking because of Ancajas' weight issues, why the first match was won by Martinez.
But here, Ancajas already seemed to be prepared and yet, he failed to get back his belt.
Let us see what the next plans of Ancajas' camp now that he didn't get the belt this time around.
Seems that he should move to the bantamweight division and maybe he will excel again in this sports.

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Quote from: robelneo on October 09, 2022, 04:07:38 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on October 09, 2022, 03:17:22 AM

Well it's clearly one sided fight by Martinez as we see Ancajas is really struggling after Martinez outbox him on 4th round, there's nothing Ancajas can do after that. I don't really think moving to the next weight will make Ancajas journey will be brighter, IMO he will take few match against non champion boxer on his current weight, then he will challenge another champion.

Ancajas was doing great in the early rounds I thought he can keep up doing that, but Martinez has superb conditioning he's like a raging bull he just doesn't want to rest always on the attack and to think that he is the champion here, he is the hungrier one between the two, I believe he will become a top dog in that division because of his great showing against a long time former champion.

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This year is really bad for Philippines because Donaire, Magsayo and Ancajas didn't won in their big matches.

Magsayao has a fight coming, he has a good chance compared to Ancajas, Martinez is just too good for Ancajas, Ancajas should weigh his option if he wants to proceed or just want to retire or just continue boxing but not on top-level fights anymore.

I think Ancajas only managed to win 3 rounds or less because his scores are quite far from Martinez, it was a domination by Martinez and his performance today is exceptional, he truly deserved the belt. Although the fight ended with a decision, Martinez didn't give Ancajas a chance to bounce back as he outbox him almost every round.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on October 09, 2022, 03:17:22 AM

This year is really bad for Philippines because Donaire, Magsayo and Ancajas didn't won in their big matches.

Magsayao has a fight coming, he has a good chance compared to Ancajas, Martinez is just too good for Ancajas, Ancajas should weigh his option if he wants to proceed or just want to retire or just continue boxing but not on top-level fights anymore.

I agree, Magsayo does have more chances to carve his name in the industry nowadays than Ancajas, the latter's time is almost over, he may want to test the bantamweight division, but I think he won't last that long.

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Quote from: Dave1 on October 09, 2022, 12:19:41 AM

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It's total domination by Martinez again, Ancajas is good in the early rounds but Martinez again overwhelmed him with a lot of punches, Martinez chased all throughout the fight he is the champion but he's taking the fight on Ancajas , its just a continuation of the first fight, Ancajas should move now to a higher division if he is having problem with weigh.

JUDGE'S SCORES 119-109, 118-110 and 118-110

Yes, I read that Martinez took Ancajas best shot and then he throws some. And base on the scorecard, it was complete domination of Martinez just like the first fight.

So no excuses this time, one of the longest reign champion finally met his match stride for stride and thus far the better and superior fighter. Yes, most likely Ancajas will have to move up in weight now, he is no longer the champion so he might try into the next division.

Yup, there are no reasons this time because Martinez proved his greatness once again and that luck is not a factor in their first encounter just because Ancajas is having some issues. It was a good fight and Ancajas tried to put heavy blows on Martinez but the latter just shook it off and gave much heavier blows to Ancajas. I guess it's indeed time for him to move in the next weight class.

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Quote from: yazher on October 09, 2022, 08:38:59 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on October 09, 2022, 03:17:22 AM

Well it's clearly one sided fight by Martinez as we see Ancajas is really struggling after Martinez outbox him on 4th round, there's nothing Ancajas can do after that. I don't really think moving to the next weight will make Ancajas journey will be brighter, IMO he will take few match against non champion boxer on his current weight, then he will challenge another champion.

This year is really bad for Philippine because Donaire, Magsayo and Ancajas didn't won in their big matches.

Well! that's just all it takes when you have a stroke of bad luck. and also boxers nowadays are really clever and lots of devastating losses have happened this year for the Pinoy boxers. Anyway, this kind of event always happens because of the nature of their sports. They should need to do better in training and fight boxers that are not really strong in order to make an easy comeback. Making things complicated in their comeback will give them unnecessary pressure that will gonna ruin their momentum and might gonna be their one-way ticket to retirement.

I guess Ancajas will have to take a break now, he looks like an amateur in this fight, he wants to beat the champion but he wasn't aggressive, so the decision of the judges was pretty obvious. Looks like the strategy is just to score, not hurting Martinez, but as we can see, Martinez is really strong and quicker than Ancajas, and he disrespect the power of Ancajas that's why he keeps getting forward.

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