Topic: [Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8 - page 4. (Read 3590 times)
This fight will finally be happening in two days. Martinez is now the favorite with odds of 1.34. It's understandable because this is a rematch and Martinez convincingly won the first match through a UD even though he was the underdog at that time. He remains undefeated, but Ancajas has actually what he needs in his arsenal to defeat Martinez. He probably just needs a little adjustment, throw more solid punches, be more accurate, improve his movements, and he could defeat Martinez. The team of Ancajas should not allow the repeat of the first match in which Ancajas was more like schooled.
Both will sure make adjustments on the fight. And even a weight drain Ancajas can absorb Martinez best punch, what's more if Jerwin is in his best shape and no issues with weight? It could be a different outcome. And so this is what we are expecting from him in this fight. Bring the fight to Martinez and be a banger, the style that he is known for.
Let's see if he can prove to the world that he is the better fighter, it's hard to just speculate, we should give respect to the winner, yes, Ancajas may have struggle maintaining the weight but there's nothing to be blame of, but himself and it's not a valid excuse.
Well, I don't know, but Ancajas is not invincible, and anything can happen, as I said before, Martínez has a great need to win, everywhere, he wants the money, he wants the fame, and I think Ancajas will have to fight against all that, and that weighs much more than his own muscle mass, so these things like Ancajas' pso can be something manageable, I don't think Ancajas is going to go overboard because it would be very bad for his reputation, and it is known that less weight also It is not very favorable, Ancjas has a high level of professionalism, and I think these things are noticeable in a boxer, but since Martines has a world at his feet if he wins, it is something else.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
But he was able to deal with Martinez power in the first fight, it's that he was really outgun by looking at the numbers. Which mean he didn't let his hands go and allow Martinez to control the fight. So I will say that Ancajas has more power than Martinez, but he needs to land that and not just hesitant to pull the trigger.
But in any case they have seen their mistakes that's why they activated the rematch clause already, expect a different Jerwin to really push Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he is successful this time.
I don't know if he has more power than Martinez because he was the one who was so tired in that fight, and he was not able to hit Martinez with the heavy shots. He lose his stamina in short, that cannot happen again if he wants to win, as he needs to convince the judgest that he was the one controlling the fight.
The winner has more power, Ancajas made an excuse which is not good, what he has to do is just continue training, and be at his best in the rematch, that way he will have a big chance of getting back what he loss. I believe most of us here believe that Ancajas will win, well, it's our chance to bet on him as for sure he will be the underdog in the betting sites.
What you say is true, for me it is something that can be used, as you say, for Ancajas all he has to do is have more concentration in his preparation, if he had more discipline in it all the possible cases of having more weight would go away, then It is something that can be handled, to say, everything is in his hands, for me, in my personal opinion, it is a problem that should not even be debatable or discussed, because I consider that this falls within the responsibilities of Ancajas, it is something that if he lets lose again so he is not qualified to be in the sport, it may sound a bit harsh, but sometimes things are like that, and if there is a way that he can show that he is here and that he will be the protagonist, he must win at any cost to the "cougar" Martinez.
In another order of ideas we see Ancajas from a point of view of what we know, but from the point of view of a boxing analysis expert named Atty. Ed Tolentino, gives his very biased opinion:
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=125&v=bscIn-BzkBk&feature=emb_logo
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“Ancajas is the underdog in because we saw what happened in the first fight. I have never seen Ancajas take so many punches. I really believe he should go up in weight. I think he is overstaying at 115 pounds he should have moved up earlier,” Tolentino told Sparring Sessions LIVE
Source: https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/846583/jerwin-ancajas-in-a-critical-fight-with-martinez-rematch-analyst/story/
It is obvious that the opinion is very biased and I think it has many arguments that are actually very relevant, but I think it has and tells the whole truth, but all the possibilities are on the table, everything can change, and it can give many surprises.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
But he was able to deal with Martinez power in the first fight, it's that he was really outgun by looking at the numbers. Which mean he didn't let his hands go and allow Martinez to control the fight. So I will say that Ancajas has more power than Martinez, but he needs to land that and not just hesitant to pull the trigger.
But in any case they have seen their mistakes that's why they activated the rematch clause already, expect a different Jerwin to really push Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he is successful this time.
I don't know if he has more power than Martinez because he was the one who was so tired in that fight, and he was not able to hit Martinez with the heavy shots. He lose his stamina in short, that cannot happen again if he wants to win, as he needs to convince the judgest that he was the one controlling the fight.
The winner has more power, Ancajas made an excuse which is not good, what he has to do is just continue training, and be at his best in the rematch, that way he will have a big chance of getting back what he loss. I believe most of us here believe that Ancajas will win, well, it's our chance to bet on him as for sure he will be the underdog in the betting sites.
the underdog of this match is indeed ancajas, couple more days and you still have time to bet for this match. if ancajas is very prepared on this fight and address his weakness, he can easily win this match. for bettors rooting for ancajas, this is a very good one getting a better profit if in case he will win. don't know if they will add other betting lines a day before the fight. just keep posted.
you can bet now at stake , for this match.
Yeah a few sleep away before we see how effective is their change of nutritionist. There is no excuse for Ancajas now like the replacement issue and the overweight issue. Hopefully, he won't have problem in meeting the required weight and if he do then probably it is time for him to move up in division.
Just to be clear that the nutritionist should not be the key to Ancajas having a boost. It's still on him and his workout.
In the event of Ancajas losing this match again, we should not look at the reasons why Ancajas but just praised Martinez as he's really a tough fighter.
A few days from now and we will now see and witness this fight.
Accept then move forward, there's nothing that he can do if he lose twice against Martinez, either he will try moving up division and start a new career, all will be answered after this fight only a few more days and we will be able to witness the rematch, both fighters will try to prove who's the champion and they will do everything to take that claim.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
But he was able to deal with Martinez power in the first fight, it's that he was really outgun by looking at the numbers. Which mean he didn't let his hands go and allow Martinez to control the fight. So I will say that Ancajas has more power than Martinez, but he needs to land that and not just hesitant to pull the trigger.
But in any case they have seen their mistakes that's why they activated the rematch clause already, expect a different Jerwin to really push Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he is successful this time.
I don't know if he has more power than Martinez because he was the one who was so tired in that fight, and he was not able to hit Martinez with the heavy shots. He lose his stamina in short, that cannot happen again if he wants to win, as he needs to convince the judgest that he was the one controlling the fight.
He needed to exceed and make a standing performance to make sure that he will be able to impress the judges in case the fight went to the final round decision. No need for any excuses, just be there at his best and try reclaiming the belt.
So it looks like Nonito Donaire is keen on continuing his career if he can get meaningful fights. Donaire is now contemplating moving down in weight in order to achieve his dream of becoming a 5-division world champion. Donaire is turning 40 next month. I honestly don't understand how he made weight at bantamweight so this is more shocking to me if he can indeed make the superfly limit. Is he willing to do it only once or maybe twice or maybe even more? The current world champions are:
The Ring/lineal
Juan Franciso Estrada
43-3-28 KOs
WBA
Joshua Franco
18-1-8 KOs
WBC
Jessie Rodriguez
16-0-11 KOs
IBF
Fernando Martinez
14-0-8 KOs
WBO
Kazuto Ioka
28-2-15 KOs
The biggest names in this division though are also old and past their primes yet still very capable of winning; former P4P number 1 Chocolatito Gonzales, and Estrada. But Donaire might target any of the champions rather than the bigger names. And Donaire might also consider Ancajas if it retakes his old IBF belt from Martinez. Donaire already dispatched a compatriot Filipino earlier before the Naoya Inoue fight so Ancajas is another target if it becomes the IBF champion again. Although Ancajas might also move up in weight after this fight with Martinez citing difficulty making the weight limit.
The Ring/lineal
Juan Franciso Estrada
43-3-28 KOs
WBA
Joshua Franco
18-1-8 KOs
WBC
Jessie Rodriguez
16-0-11 KOs
IBF
Fernando Martinez
14-0-8 KOs
WBO
Kazuto Ioka
28-2-15 KOs
The biggest names in this division though are also old and past their primes yet still very capable of winning; former P4P number 1 Chocolatito Gonzales, and Estrada. But Donaire might target any of the champions rather than the bigger names. And Donaire might also consider Ancajas if it retakes his old IBF belt from Martinez. Donaire already dispatched a compatriot Filipino earlier before the Naoya Inoue fight so Ancajas is another target if it becomes the IBF champion again. Although Ancajas might also move up in weight after this fight with Martinez citing difficulty making the weight limit.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
But he was able to deal with Martinez power in the first fight, it's that he was really outgun by looking at the numbers. Which mean he didn't let his hands go and allow Martinez to control the fight. So I will say that Ancajas has more power than Martinez, but he needs to land that and not just hesitant to pull the trigger.
But in any case they have seen their mistakes that's why they activated the rematch clause already, expect a different Jerwin to really push Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he is successful this time.
I don't know if he has more power than Martinez because he was the one who was so tired in that fight, and he was not able to hit Martinez with the heavy shots. He lose his stamina in short, that cannot happen again if he wants to win, as he needs to convince the judgest that he was the one controlling the fight.
The winner has more power, Ancajas made an excuse which is not good, what he has to do is just continue training, and be at his best in the rematch, that way he will have a big chance of getting back what he loss. I believe most of us here believe that Ancajas will win, well, it's our chance to bet on him as for sure he will be the underdog in the betting sites.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
But he was able to deal with Martinez power in the first fight, it's that he was really outgun by looking at the numbers. Which mean he didn't let his hands go and allow Martinez to control the fight. So I will say that Ancajas has more power than Martinez, but he needs to land that and not just hesitant to pull the trigger.
But in any case they have seen their mistakes that's why they activated the rematch clause already, expect a different Jerwin to really push Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he is successful this time.
I don't know if he has more power than Martinez because he was the one who was so tired in that fight, and he was not able to hit Martinez with the heavy shots. He lose his stamina in short, that cannot happen again if he wants to win, as he needs to convince the judgest that he was the one controlling the fight.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
But he was able to deal with Martinez power in the first fight, it's that he was really outgun by looking at the numbers. Which mean he didn't let his hands go and allow Martinez to control the fight. So I will say that Ancajas has more power than Martinez, but he needs to land that and not just hesitant to pull the trigger.
But in any case they have seen their mistakes that's why they activated the rematch clause already, expect a different Jerwin to really push Martinez and I wouldn't be surprised if he is successful this time.
Looking forward to Jerwin Ancajas being in good condition in this fight. The preparation time is well enough for him to be in a state like that. Martinez on the other hand is also the same. He already knows the drill and he will just do the same strategy against Ancajas.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
If Ancajas will lose this rematch, it's clear that he really can't come close to the power of Martinez.
Yeah a few sleep away before we see how effective is their change of nutritionist. There is no excuse for Ancajas now like the replacement issue and the overweight issue. Hopefully, he won't have problem in meeting the required weight and if he do then probably it is time for him to move up in division.
Just to be clear that the nutritionist should not be the key to Ancajas having a boost. It's still on him and his workout.
In the event of Ancajas losing this match again, we should not look at the reasons why Ancajas but just praised Martinez as he's really a tough fighter.
A few days from now and we will now see and witness this fight.
ancajas should have the upper hand on this match because of his experience and they almost have the same age. martinez is favoured by fiat bookies here but crypto bookies may also give favour on martinez once they release their odds. if ancajas is the underdog, i think i will bet on ancajas here. i believe on his skills, just that they need to work on the weight issues. or better yet, if they win on this one, better move to higher weight division so he won't feel drained.
I'm not sure about Ancajas should have the upper hand in this fight even if he's in 100% shape on the day of the fight.
Both are healthy, I think Martinez still has the advantage. Although of course, things will be different on this rematch as Ancajas is much prepared.
Now depends on how they will execute their respective strategy.
Agree to that, depending on how prepared the fighting entering the ring, no more excuse for Ancajas and we will see now if with 100% he can overpower Martinez or it's just the same outcome. We will see if who's strategy will dominate and how it will be executed, in their first matchup Martinez defense gives him the upper-hand winning the fight.
Let's see now if Ancajas camps already discover how to turn the favor in his side, if how he will engage and create openings.
ancajas should have the upper hand on this match because of his experience and they almost have the same age. martinez is favoured by fiat bookies here but crypto bookies may also give favour on martinez once they release their odds. if ancajas is the underdog, i think i will bet on ancajas here. i believe on his skills, just that they need to work on the weight issues. or better yet, if they win on this one, better move to higher weight division so he won't feel drained.
I'm not sure about Ancajas should have the upper hand in this fight even if he's in 100% shape on the day of the fight.
Both are healthy, I think Martinez still has the advantage. Although of course, things will be different on this rematch as Ancajas is much prepared.
Now depends on how they will execute their respective strategy.
Few more sleeps to go before we can witness this fight and I'm expecting that the odds will be released within 48 hours before the event will start, that time will be enough for us to make some bets on our selected boxers.
Few more days left and we can answer the questions on the top of our heads mainly Ancajas's situation this time. If he will be the winner here, a trilogy might happen but if he will get defeated again then I think it's time for him to move to the next weight class because that's already a clear reason that super fly division is not for him anymore.
Few more days left and we can answer the questions on the top of our heads mainly Ancajas's situation this time. If he will be the winner here, a trilogy might happen but if he will get defeated again then I think it's time for him to move to the next weight class because that's already a clear reason that super fly division is not for him anymore.
Yeah a few sleep away before we see how effective is their change of nutritionist. There is no excuse for Ancajas now like the replacement issue and the overweight issue. Hopefully, he won't have problem in meeting the required weight and if he do then probably it is time for him to move up in division.
ancajas should have the upper hand on this match because of his experience and they almost have the same age. martinez is favoured by fiat bookies here but crypto bookies may also give favour on martinez once they release their odds. if ancajas is the underdog, i think i will bet on ancajas here. i believe on his skills, just that they need to work on the weight issues. or better yet, if they win on this one, better move to higher weight division so he won't feel drained.
Yeah, there's nothing yet. Even the fight will be happening more than a week from now. It will be available before the fight or during the fight day. I will personally take Ancajas whatever the bookies will give him. I am still confident with his surviving skills, he just need to throw more solid converted punches and not to let Martinez dominate once again.
Odds will be there three or two days before the fight, usual for fights between not-so-popular boxers and they are fighting for the 115lbs division which is not so popular to most of American fight fans (just my observation).
This is getting exciting and personally, I would be betting for Ancajas to win by decision as he will be fighting smart in this rematch. Like i said before that he should forget that Martinez once has his numbers and just focused on their game plan and bring glory to the Philippines once again. Overtraining and weight issues are things in the past so I hope there will be no alibis this time around.
Still a week to go before the fight, and we as boxing fans are really excited that finally we are almost here. Yes, we can wait for the odds to come, for sure they will, bookies are smart and will definitely add this to their list. We just have to be patience just like the rest of the fights wherein odds are release like 1-2 days before the fight itself.
If Ancajas lost, then there should be no excuses on his camp. This is already the rematch and should have made the adjustments regarding the weight and overtraining issues.
Few more days left and we can answer the questions on the top of our heads mainly Ancajas's situation this time. If he will be the winner here, a trilogy might happen but if he will get defeated again then I think it's time for him to move to the next weight class because that's already a clear reason that super fly division is not for him anymore.
I don't know if there will be a trilogy between the two, Ancajas needs to get back that belt first and maybe decide what he will do next. It seems that the weight issue is really big, so he has no choice but to move up to the next division and insert his name.
If not then he would have to defend his belt, as there are a lot of of challengers in the horizon.
And the final option, have a trilogy with Martinez, if there is a demand for a trilogy just to settle their scores.
Few more sleeps to go before we can witness this fight and I'm expecting that the odds will be released within 48 hours before the event will start, that time will be enough for us to make some bets on our selected boxers.
Few more days left and we can answer the questions on the top of our heads mainly Ancajas's situation this time. If he will be the winner here, a trilogy might happen but if he will get defeated again then I think it's time for him to move to the next weight class because that's already a clear reason that super fly division is not for him anymore.
Few more days left and we can answer the questions on the top of our heads mainly Ancajas's situation this time. If he will be the winner here, a trilogy might happen but if he will get defeated again then I think it's time for him to move to the next weight class because that's already a clear reason that super fly division is not for him anymore.
Yeah a few sleep away before we see how effective is their change of nutritionist. There is no excuse for Ancajas now like the replacement issue and the overweight issue. Hopefully, he won't have problem in meeting the required weight and if he do then probably it is time for him to move up in division.
Yeah, there's nothing yet. Even the fight will be happening more than a week from now. It will be available before the fight or during the fight day. I will personally take Ancajas whatever the bookies will give him. I am still confident with his surviving skills, he just need to throw more solid converted punches and not to let Martinez dominate once again.
Odds will be there three or two days before the fight, usual for fights between not-so-popular boxers and they are fighting for the 115lbs division which is not so popular to most of American fight fans (just my observation).
This is getting exciting and personally, I would be betting for Ancajas to win by decision as he will be fighting smart in this rematch. Like i said before that he should forget that Martinez once has his numbers and just focused on their game plan and bring glory to the Philippines once again. Overtraining and weight issues are things in the past so I hope there will be no alibis this time around.
Still a week to go before the fight, and we as boxing fans are really excited that finally we are almost here. Yes, we can wait for the odds to come, for sure they will, bookies are smart and will definitely add this to their list. We just have to be patience just like the rest of the fights wherein odds are release like 1-2 days before the fight itself.
If Ancajas lost, then there should be no excuses on his camp. This is already the rematch and should have made the adjustments regarding the weight and overtraining issues.
Few more sleeps to go before we can witness this fight and I'm expecting that the odds will be released within 48 hours before the event will start, that time will be enough for us to make some bets on our selected boxers.
Few more days left and we can answer the questions on the top of our heads mainly Ancajas's situation this time. If he will be the winner here, a trilogy might happen but if he will get defeated again then I think it's time for him to move to the next weight class because that's already a clear reason that super fly division is not for him anymore.
Yeah, there's nothing yet. Even the fight will be happening more than a week from now. It will be available before the fight or during the fight day. I will personally take Ancajas whatever the bookies will give him. I am still confident with his surviving skills, he just need to throw more solid converted punches and not to let Martinez dominate once again.
Odds will be there three or two days before the fight, usual for fights between not-so-popular boxers and they are fighting for the 115lbs division which is not so popular to most of American fight fans (just my observation).
This is getting exciting and personally, I would be betting for Ancajas to win by decision as he will be fighting smart in this rematch. Like i said before that he should forget that Martinez once has his numbers and just focused on their game plan and bring glory to the Philippines once again. Overtraining and weight issues are things in the past so I hope there will be no alibis this time around.
Still a week to go before the fight, and we as boxing fans are really excited that finally we are almost here. Yes, we can wait for the odds to come, for sure they will, bookies are smart and will definitely add this to their list. We just have to be patience just like the rest of the fights wherein odds are release like 1-2 days before the fight itself.
If Ancajas lost, then there should be no excuses on his camp. This is already the rematch and should have made the adjustments regarding the weight and overtraining issues.
He just need to accept that fate if ever he won't win again but for now focusing with what winning strategy he should use is indeed needed to reclaim his title, there're no excuses anymore, and he needs to overcome that first lost and make sure that he's prepare on this one. He needs to work with his offensive strategy to convert and execute good throws of punches.
Better to take his luck with countering and trying to break Martinez' defense to force him to engage with open exchanges of punches.
Again, we can go back to Robson Conceicao vs Shakur Stevenson.
Robson could have accept the prize money easy because Shakur is like 1.6 lbs overweight. But him and his team decided to go and continue with the fight and lost.
It's not all about the money all the time, Conceicao also believes that he could beat Shakur, and it's more fulfilling if a boxer wins not winning only because of technical disqualification, he tried and lost, that's okay. Hopefully boxers will have that kind of mentality, they have to fight to win.
But I'm wondering though, since the Shakur fight, what will happen if Ancajas can't make the weight again, will the fight go on and Martinez willing to sacrifice with some monetary incentives like Robson did (accepting $50,000, if I'm not mistaken)? Of course, this is different since Ancajas is no longer the champion, but it just makes me wonder this scenario.
You answered your own question, it's different because Ancajas is not a champion, and why would Martinez accept money? for what?
If Ancajas will not make the weight again, that means Martinez will remain as the champion, no sweat for him, but unfortunately they will not make money because no fight is gonna happen.
Martinez would be happy with that, he does not have to fight anymore and he will keep the belt for long. Well, I hope that will not happen as that will not make the fans happy, I mean, no one should be blamed but our expectation is to see an exciting fight, so you the disappointments.
Yeah, but as a boxer, they should fight and I'm not aware of a fighter that doesn't want to fight his opponent and wanted to keep his belt because of the other side not making the weight intentional or not intentional.
Again, we can go back to Robson Conceicao vs Shakur Stevenson.
Robson could have accept the prize money easy because Shakur is like 1.6 lbs overweight. But him and his team decided to go and continue with the fight and lost.
But I'm wondering though, since the Shakur fight, what will happen if Ancajas can't make the weight again, will the fight go on and Martinez willing to sacrifice with some monetary incentives like Robson did (accepting $50,000, if I'm not mistaken)? Of course, this is different since Ancajas is no longer the champion, but it just makes me wonder this scenario.
You answered your own question, it's different because Ancajas is not a champion, and why would Martinez accept money? for what?
Well I don't know if you are aware that there are now clauses included in the contract or this could have been practice many years ago that if the other side didn't make the weight they he has to pay the other party, either it can come from his purse or he would have to shell out money personally. This is to protect that both parties are going to make the contractual weight. Just like with the Robson vs Shakur fight, Shakur went over the limit and so it was agreed that they will have to subtract $50k from his purse as penalty for not making the weight.
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